posted January 14, 2008 09:28 PM         

In the bible its said "Before you ask it is given." So why ask at all?

That question has been haunting me ever since. Come 2008 and I have known the mystery.

Jesus said "What I am , you can be". That is he is not someone special. We are also capable to achieve his state of enlightenment. And he taught his people the prayer "Our Father who art in heaven....".
And he is quoted to have said "I and the Father are one". Isn't it obvious what his intentions were? Well that led to local scholars and priests chasing him. Such Fools they were. Always make sure you listen to everyone. If all the parts of the body refuse to pay attention to a$$h0le and it shutsdown. The whole body will die because of toxic. Remember this moral of the story.

And he has used the words 'son of Man', 'son of God' at different times in the bible.
Because our self (or higher self or spirit or however you call it) is God. When he refers to his essense he calls himself son of God. When he refers to his body, he calls himself son of Man. Meaning he was conceived like any of us.

Therefore Jesus's message is that there's no need to pray. We all are part of existence that takes care of itself. That is the eternal, continuously evolving, laughing , creativity which is known by different names to different people.

So you see , theres no need to pray really.

Its been many many days and I am really happy. Whether I just got promoted or whether I will own a house or whether I will be diagnosed with cancer some day or whether I will die in an accident one day. I shall never pray. Because all events (good times and bad times) and all people (friends and enemies) in life is teaching me invaluable lessons. And I have grown every single moment with them. Thomas Jefferson got it all wrong in the declaration of independence when he used the words "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness". Why must happiness be pursued? He used that word 'pursuit' loosely. Perhaps he understood that man's consciousness was not developed in general in his time and thats what prompted him to use those last words. Anyhow why am I discussing that when it has been known that both politicians and religious people does not get you anywhere. You are stuck in the rut with both types of people no matter how good they appear.

Happiness is always here now. It is missed because we are not alert. In fact it does not require alertness or any kind of control. It requires just being. Just growing , Just absorbing, Just flowing. Achieving effortlessness through effort. Achieving inaction thru action.

[QED] Geez!!! miss that french word at end of every proof. I haven't used that word in 14 years.

posted January 14, 2008 11:29 PM         

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In the bible its said "Before you ask it is given."

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posted January 15, 2008 02:02 AM         

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maybe we're confusing the Almighty with santa claus?

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And yours too Nephthys!

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I think what the message is trying to tell us is that we already have everything that we need.

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posted January 15, 2008 05:11 AM         

Most of the times yes. Have you noticed how majority of the time people ask for health and wealth including those of their loved ones.

Gratitude is a seperate beast. In that we need to ask "Do I need to pray to express gratitude?".

Again if we pray does it not imply it is not there? Perhaps pray as sons and daughters of God? As always, something to think about for some and utterly obvious to some LOL

posted January 15, 2008 10:09 AM         

You don't have to kneel your knees or join hands. Act out of guilt or fear.

God is loving and not that hateful , vengeful , narcissist God of OT.

Go from Dialogue to Monologue. The whole prayer of Jesus is also a prayer of gratitude. See if the results works for you. If it seems dumb, don't just say it but prove it

posted January 15, 2008 01:12 PM         

So you see , theres no need to pray really."
~Mannu

Because it is all determined?

posted January 15, 2008 01:30 PM         

For example imagine the world as a screen. The projector is God.
Flowers come and dissapear on the screen (that is world), people arrive and dissapear. When you cut the flower and analyse the beauty of flower it is lost.
When people die, that physical body will not appear again. You will argue that science can clone anything these days, but every atom in it is different.

Put ur finger under a running stream. At no point the same molecules of water passes under you

I really wish people will read "The mustard seed" book posted here to understand the constant expansion of our cosmos.

And regards to questions such as "Does it mean I do nothing?". I will not make any comments because my words will contaminate the beauty of an eternal truth. I need to be totally silent before I can write any response, theres too much noise in the world.

May you all meet your God in the center of your spiritual heart. Hahah more words. OK being silent

posted January 15, 2008 02:01 PM         

I think we have a problem in language/communication. I think many of our beliefs are very similar, but it is difficult to help each other understand more in greater detail when the detail does not get through in our communication.

For instance, I don't feel as if you are replying to what I actually said and I only said one small thing. And I can't understand what you would like to say with this at all:

"Put ur finger under a running stream. At no point the same molecules of water passed under you "

Will you try to translate that last part again and make it more clear? Are you just saying that no molecule is the same? How does that relate to what I said?

posted January 15, 2008 09:27 PM         

Perhaps its belief to you. I went thru that phase , from now on whatever I post is not my belief its my trust.
Perhaps you may have missed it when I posted a while ago somewhere "I am beyond doubt and trust" I am in the process of surrendering.

I trust that there is only one truth.
I trust that this life is an opportunity for me to meet that truth.
If its lost I will start from scratch again.
Better now than late.

"Put ur finger under a running stream. At no point the same molecules of water passed under you "

Please those are my words, FYI. I don't want to sound egoistic. But at the same time I don't want you to blame people who I follow or read. Its just FYI.

River is often used by enlightened persons to describe their own state of being and sometimes even God himself.
River as you know its always flowing and eternal.
It flows a path that only it knows.
None of the water molecules are same in the funcition of time.
And if you were to go forward and chase those water molecules, you are meeting them in a different space.

That is the whole notion of space and time exists no more in God. You can't say this is past, this is future.
Everything is. There is no words in dictionary to describe that state. It can only be experienced in the presense of a alive master who has achieved that state. Or you have to keep working on it. I have the benefit of both.

posted January 17, 2008 06:22 PM         

I am, and therefore I think.