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BlueRoamer
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posted February 28, 2008 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
It seems a lot of famous people have had visions, seen omens, etc, that guided them to do what they thought was right. Even our lovely president believes god told him to go to war in Iraq.

Now is this just an example of the human imagination sculpting reality, or is there something higher going on here?

Anyone have experiences with harbingers or omens??

A harbinger is a sign of things to come. Throughout history and literature, harbingers and omens figure prominently, and are responsible for major decisions which have altered the course of both.
If legend were fact, Christianity and Western civilization could owe their existences to signs. The legend has it that Constantine the Great saw a vision in which either (depending on which version we read) a cross, a fish or a Labarum monogram was emblazoned in the sky. A loud, steady voice then allegedly told him, In hoc signo vinces ("By this as your standard, you will conquer"). Conquer he did, bringing Christianity to the Empire.
[edit]Psychological mechanism

The actual mechanism of harbingers appears to be a quirk of human psychology. There are two general categories of symbolic prescience, both of which are subject to an individual's awareness of laws of probability. Whether one is cognizant of the direction events in their life are headed, the subconscious keeps account of what is likely to happen in one's future. Depending on how aware a person is of these subtle instincts, their anticipation of imminent events will vary.
An aware person will be able to explicitly imagine specific events, while someone who is less aware, or in denial, will not sense, or will ignore, the anticipatory signals their subconscious sends to prepare them in how they will respond to unfolding events.
Someone who is less than fully aware, but more than blindly ignorant, may encounter some sort of symbolic image which embodies the course of events their subconscious is trying to make them anticipate. Such an encounter may enhance the person's understanding, or in some other way make it easier for them to understand and accept the probability of unfolding events in their life. Subjectively, the person will have felt they had no previous intuition of events unfolding as the "sign" indicated. Should events then unfold accordingly, the person may be predisposed to believe in omens.
This first example relies on the harbinger encapsulating probable future events in the mind of someone who is not fully aware of what will probably happen. It does not necessarily resign the person to believing the future must happen accordingly, and important decisions are not based upon nascent foreknowledge. Also, it is likely that the person has experienced several unfulfilled harbingers, in which chance does not favour the occurrence of the "foretold" events. The mind may not record when signs fail to tell the future, leaving an artificial form of faith caused by selective memory of only those signs which could be seen to foretell events.
The second example of a harbinger occurs when an individual's faith in signs causes them to believe that a future event has been foretold. Here, the future is considered unchangeable, and the person makes important decisions based upon what they believe the harbinger has revealed it to be. In this case, the harbinger becomes a catalyst for the formation of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The laws of probability do not change in this instance, except that the individual alters the circumstances which make the occurrence of the foretold events more likely. Should the anticipated events occur, this is taken as proof of the validity of the sign.
[edit]Religious interpretation

In the Biblical sense, Prophecy, when describing the foretelling of an event, is to be subjected to scrutiny of the Scriptures, and may not be considered to be prophecy until the foretold events occur. Biblical prophecy is also distinct from harbingers, in the sense that the foretelling comes by the spoken word (often attributed directly to God), and not in the manifestation of signs.


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thirteen
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posted February 28, 2008 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
I read somewhere once that leaders of nations are given information from highter sources. I tend to beleive it.

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BlueRoamer
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posted February 28, 2008 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
So in that cause Bush by Satan?

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sVirgo
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posted March 02, 2008 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Blueroamer,

This is an interesting point.

Isn't some dreams sort of harbinger?

I am just curious about it.

Thank you!

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sVirgo
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posted March 02, 2008 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Hi BlueRoamer,

This is an interesting point.

Isn't some dreams sort of harbinger?

I am just curious about it.

Thank you!

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