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ListensToTrees
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posted April 04, 2008 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Is the veil the source of all evil, and if we had full access to our infinite consciousness, to our memories, to who we really are.....and if we could communicate by telepathy/ empathy, would there ever be any desire to harm each other? ~If we understood and felt that we were all as One, interconnected....separate and yet inseparable?

Did we chose to come into this world, to experience separation from higher realms or from God?
Or was it some sort of accident?

Was the "descent" into the material realm here a gradual one?

Are we all part of a matrix?
Or is there more to it; are we fulfilling a great plan somehow??

Here's another thread including lexigrams of veil, for anyone who wants to see:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/009515.html


I have positive hopes though, folks.

Perhaps there is an opportunity now to use the cosmic forces at hand to change our reality, and put things right again.

Think:
100 monkeys phenomenon.
"Unified field" (of consciousness).


As Linda taught:

We must Image it/ Ordain it.

"If I mind, it matters, if I don't- it won't".

~ Linda Goodman

(And think how much more harmonious things would be if we could communicate beyond words, which are open to so many distortions).

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 04, 2008 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
In my opinion, it is because of the very nature of the veil itself, that "Free Will" is a misnomer.

Still....I could be wrong.
Who am I to assume I know all the answers?

"Assumption is the antithesis of understanding"
~ Valerian

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing".
~ Socrates
(His opinion).
We all have access to our higher selves but we have to practice using before we can filter out all the distortions of the mind/ body and ego).

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ListensToTrees
Knowflake

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posted April 04, 2008 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
The principles of lust
are easy to understand
do what you feel
feel until the end
the principles of lust
are burned in your mind
do what you want
do it until you find
love...

~ Enigma

There is no duality, except in our minds.
Find Oneness and find God- at-one-ment.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 04, 2008 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Another explanation to these mysteries:
http://www.scottmandelker.com/

Read the article "Human Crisis and Divine Plan".

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juniperb
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posted April 04, 2008 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
First you would have to have a working definition of what is evil and what is the veil.

Once you had that understanding, you would have a solid premise to work with

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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posted April 04, 2008 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
The veil, IMO, is being born into a vehicle of consciousness which causes the forgetting of where we have come from, where we have been before, etc....and where the only reality which seems apparent is the physical world viewed through the eyes.

Evil, IMO, are not human beings in themselves, only their actions. Actions being purposely hurting or exploiting others for one's own gain.

I believe the "positive path" is
do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Quite simply.

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juniperb
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posted April 04, 2008 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
The Archangel Gabriel warned the prophet, "God is hidden by 70,000 veils of light and darkness. And were those veils to be lifted, even I would be annihilated.

Something I think about

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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posted April 04, 2008 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I like how LTT always presents herself like a student: humble, eager, ready to learn. I like your attitude LTT, you never assume your knowledge.

I believe a true teacher will have such an outlook.

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TINK
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posted April 04, 2008 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
That's nice, blueroamer.

It's not easy to cultivate a sense of eagerness and openness in a cynical world. Also difficult to maintain self-confidence and purpose. It's a rare soul that can balance the two.

Personally, I hope for answers from a spiritual guide. Questions I've already got ... but that's another story I guess.

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In my opinion, it is because of the very nature of the veil itself, that "Free Will" is a misnomer.

that sounds interesting, LTT. I like that.

excellent quote, juni

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Unmoved
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posted April 04, 2008 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, I would like to say that LTT is...

... I had no words...

BR, you beat me to it.

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Solane Star
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posted April 04, 2008 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message

Bless You LTT!!!

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 05, 2008 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
LOL.

Thank you guys!


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dreamwolf
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posted April 05, 2008 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dreamwolf     Edit/Delete Message
So many people are being born more spiritually aware and able to see through the veil, b.c their misssion here is to help this planet. The reason for forgetting though is a good one. We'd all want to be "home" and stop living life here. We would never help anyone because we'd know they were just going home anyhow where they will be loved and at peace.Getting ri dof the veil altogether is dangerous for that reason. If you have trouble understanding what I mean, picture Earth as a school you go to. As a student you have no idea what the outcome will be-will you graduate? flunk out? will you become a doctor? a nurse? a vet? a painter? a dancer? WHAT on Earth will happen to you? Because of this not knowing you struggle no matter what and you beat the odds. You come out whatever you want to be. But what if you knew you'd fail? You'd give up you wouldn't ask for help, you wouldn't help anyone in school either b.c you'd already know the outcome.

That's sorta what it's like for us regarding remembering-If we remembered, we'd know too much, we'd know the end we'd end up back"home" in heaven..and we'd have no reason to keep fighting. But we need to-to progress, just lik ethe student needed to keep fighting to progress.
We can always peak around the evil, and always be spiritual ppl

That's my humble opinion

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 06, 2008 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for sharing, dreamwolf.

Welcome!

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posted April 06, 2008 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.myspace.com/cocteautwinstreasure

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dreamwolf
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posted April 06, 2008 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dreamwolf     Edit/Delete Message
silly me-I meant veil, not evil mwuahaha

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