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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 05, 2008 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
PEOPLE commended unto Zarathustra a wise man, as one who could discourse well about sleep and virtue: greatly was he honoured and rewarded for it, and all the youths sat before his chair. To him went Zarathustra, and sat among the youths before his chair. And thus spake the wise man:

Respect and modesty in presence of sleep! That is the first thing! And to go out of the way of all who sleep badly and keep awake at night!

Modest is even the thief in presence of sleep: he always stealeth softly through the night. Immodest, however, is the night-watchman; immodestly he carrieth his horn.

No small art is it to sleep: it is necessary for that purpose to keep awake all day.

Ten times a day must thou overcome thyself: that causeth wholesome weariness, and is opium to the soul.

Ten times must thou reconcile again with thyself; for overcoming is bitterness, and badly sleep the unreconciled.

Ten truths must thou find during the day; otherwise wilt thou seek truth during the night, and thy soul will have been hungry.

Ten times must thou laugh during the day, and be cheerful; otherwise thy stomach, the father of affliction, will disturb thee in the night.

Few people know it, but one must have all the virtues in order to sleep well. Shall I bear false witness? Shall I commit adultery?

Shall I covet my neighbour's maidservant? All that would ill accord with good sleep.

And even if one have all the virtues, there is still one thing needful: to send the virtues themselves to sleep at the right time.

That they may not quarrel with one another, the good females! And about thee, thou unhappy one!

Peace with God and thy neighbour: so desireth good sleep. And peace also with thy neighbour's devil! Otherwise it will haunt thee in the night.

Honour to the government, and obedience, and also to the crooked government! So desireth good sleep. How can I help it, if power liketh to walk on crooked legs?

He who leadeth his sheep to the greenest pasture, shall always be for me the best shepherd: so doth it accord with good sleep.

Many honours I want not, nor great treasures: they excite the spleen. But it is bad sleeping without a good name and a little treasure.

A small company is more welcome to me than a bad one: but they must come and go at the right time. So doth it accord with good sleep.

Well, also, do the poor in spirit please me: they promote sleep. Blessed are they, especially if one always give in to them.

Thus passeth the day unto the virtuous. When night cometh, then take I good care not to summon sleep. It disliketh to be summoned- sleep, the lord of the virtues!

But I think of what I have done and thought during the day. Thus ruminating, patient as a cow, I ask myself: What were thy ten overcomings?

And what were the ten reconciliations, and the ten truths, and the ten laughters with which my heart enjoyed itself?

Thus pondering, and cradled by forty thoughts, it overtaketh me all at once- sleep, the unsummoned, the lord of the virtues.

Sleep tappeth on mine eye, and it turneth heavy. Sleep toucheth my mouth, and it remaineth open.

Verily, on soft soles doth it come to me, the dearest of thieves, and stealeth from me my thoughts: stupid do I then stand, like this academic chair.

But not much longer do I then stand: I already lie.-

When Zarathustra heard the wise man thus speak, he laughed in his heart: for thereby had a light dawned upon him. And thus spake he to his heart:

A fool seemeth this wise man with his forty thoughts: but I believe he knoweth well how to sleep.

Happy even is he who liveth near this wise man! Such sleep is contagious- even through a thick wall it is contagious.

A magic resideth even in his academic chair. And not in vain did the youths sit before the preacher of virtue.

His wisdom is to keep awake in order to sleep well. And verily, if life had no sense, and had I to choose nonsense, this would be the desirablest nonsense for me also.

Now know I well what people sought formerly above all else when they sought teachers of virtue. Good sleep they sought for themselves, and poppy-head virtues to promote it!

To all those belauded sages of the academic chairs, wisdom was sleep without dreams: they knew no higher significance of life.

Even at present, to be sure, there are some like this preacher of virtue, and not always so honourable: but their time is past. And not much longer do they stand: there they already lie.

Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon drop off. -

Thus spake Zarathustra.


~ Nietzsche

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posted April 05, 2008 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Once on a time, Zarathustra also cast his fancy beyond man, like all backworldsmen. The work of a suffering and tortured God, did the world then seem to me.

The dream--and diction--of a God, did the world then seem to me; coloured vapours before the eyes of a divinely dissatisfied one.

Good and evil, and joy and woe, and I and thou--coloured vapours did they seem to me before creative eyes. The creator wished to look away from himself,--thereupon he created the world.

Intoxicating joy is it for the sufferer to look away from his suffering and forget himself. Intoxicating joy and self-forgetting, did the world once seem to me.

This world, the eternally imperfect, an eternal contradiction's image and imperfect image--an intoxicating joy to its imperfect creator:--thus did the world once seem to me.

Thus, once on a time, did I also cast my fancy beyond man, like all backworldsmen. Beyond man, forsooth?

Ah, ye brethren, that God whom I created was human work and human madness, like all the Gods!

A man was he, and only a poor fragment of a man and ego. Out of mine own ashes and glow it came unto me, that phantom. And verily, it came not unto me from the beyond!

What happened, my brethren? I surpassed myself, the suffering one; I carried mine own ashes to the mountain; a brighter flame I contrived for myself. And lo! Thereupon the phantom WITHDREW from me!

To me the convalescent would it now be suffering and torment to believe in such phantoms: suffering would it now be to me, and humiliation. Thus speak I to backworldsmen.

Suffering was it, and impotence--that created all backworlds; and the short madness of happiness, which only the greatest sufferer experienceth.

Weariness, which seeketh to get to the ultimate with one leap, with a death-leap; a poor ignorant weariness, unwilling even to will any longer: that created all Gods and backworlds.

Believe me, my brethren! It was the body which despaired of the body--it groped with the fingers of the infatuated spirit at the ultimate walls.

Believe me, my brethren! It was the body which despaired of the earth--it heard the bowels of existence speaking unto it.

And then it sought to get through the ultimate walls with its head--and not with its head only--into "the other world."

But that "other world" is well concealed from man, that dehumanised, inhuman world, which is a celestial naught; and the bowels of existence do not speak unto man, except as man.

Verily, it is difficult to prove all being, and hard to make it speak. Tell me, ye brethren, is not the strangest of all things best proved?

Yea, this ego, with its contradiction and perplexity, speaketh most uprightly of its being--this creating, willing, evaluing ego, which is the measure and value of things.

And this most upright existence, the ego--it speaketh of the body, and still implieth the body, even when it museth and raveth and fluttereth with broken wings.

Always more uprightly learneth it to speak, the ego; and the more it learneth, the more doth it find titles and honours for the body and the earth.

A new pride taught me mine ego, and that teach I unto men: no longer to thrust one's head into the sand of celestial things, but to carry it freely, a terrestrial head, which giveth meaning to the earth!

A new will teach I unto men: to choose that path which man hath followed blindly, and to approve of it--and no longer to slink aside from it, like the sick and perishing!

The sick and perishing--it was they who despised the body and the earth, and invented the heavenly world, and the redeeming blood-drops; but even those sweet and sad poisons they borrowed from the body and the earth!

From their misery they sought escape, and the stars were too remote for them. Then they sighed: "O that there were heavenly paths by which to steal into another existence and into happiness!" Then they contrived for themselves their by-paths and bloody draughts!

Beyond the sphere of their body and this earth they now fancied themselves transported, these ungrateful ones. But to what did they owe the convulsion and rapture of their transport? To their body and this earth.

Gentle is Zarathustra to the sickly. Verily, he is not indignant at their modes of consolation and ingratitude. May they become convalescents and overcomers, and create higher bodies for themselves!

Neither is Zarathustra indignant at a convalescent who looketh tenderly on his delusions, and at midnight stealeth round the grave of his God; but sickness and a sick frame remain even in his tears.

Many sickly ones have there always been among those who muse, and languish for God; violently they hate the discerning ones, and the latest of virtues, which is uprightness.

Backward they always gaze toward dark ages: then, indeed, were delusion and faith something different. Raving of the reason was likeness to God, and doubt was sin.

Too well do I know those godlike ones: they insist on being believed in, and that doubt is sin. Too well, also, do I know what they themselves most believe in.

Verily, not in backworlds and redeeming blood-drops: but in the body do they also believe most; and their own body is for them the thing-in-itself.

But it is a sickly thing to them, and gladly would they get out of their skin. Therefore hearken they to the preachers of death, and themselves preach backworlds.

Hearken rather, my brethren, to the voice of the healthy body; it is a more upright and pure voice.

More uprightly and purely speaketh the healthy body, perfect and square- built; and it speaketh of the meaning of the earth.--

Thus spake Zarathustra.

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posted April 07, 2008 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I'm intrigued.

That Zarathustra guy is cool.

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posted April 07, 2008 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
yeah..

This translation does not do him justice though.

I wish they had more of the Walter Kaufmann translations online.

You can really tell the difference.

This is Kaufmann translating Nietzsche:

Zarathustra's Speeches

9. The Preachers of Death


THERE are preachers of death: and the earth is full of those to whom desistance from life must be preached.

Full is the earth of the superfluous; marred is life by the many-too-many. May they be decoyed out of this life by the "life eternal"!

"The yellow ones": so are called the preachers of death, or "the black ones." But I will show them unto you in other colours besides.

There are the terrible ones who carry about in themselves the beast of prey, and have no choice except lusts or self-laceration. And even their lusts are self-laceration.

They have not yet become men, those terrible ones: may they preach desistance from life, and pass away themselves!

There are the spiritually consumptive ones: hardly are they born when they begin to die, and long for doctrines of lassitude and renunciation.

They would fain be dead, and we should approve of their wish! Let us beware of awakening those dead ones, and of damaging those living coffins!

They meet an invalid, or an old man, or a corpse- and immediately they say: "Life is refuted!"

But they only are refuted, and their eye, which seeth only one aspect of existence.

Shrouded in thick melancholy, and eager for the little casualties that bring death: thus do they wait, and clench their teeth.

Or else, they grasp at sweetmeats, and mock at their childishness thereby: they cling to their straw of life, and mock at their still clinging to it.

Their wisdom speaketh thus: "A fool, he who remaineth alive; but so far are we fools! And that is the foolishest thing in life!"

"Life is only suffering": so say others, and lie not. Then see to it that ye cease! See to it that the life ceaseth which is only suffering!

And let this be the teaching of your virtue: "Thou shalt slay thyself! Thou shalt steal away from thyself!"-

"Lust is sin,"- so say some who preach death- "let us go apart and beget no children!"

"Giving birth is troublesome,"- say others- "why still give birth? One beareth only the unfortunate!" And they also are preachers of death.

"Pity is necessary,"- so saith a third party. "Take what I have! Take what I am! So much less doth life bind me!"

Were they consistently pitiful, then would they make their neighbours sick of life. To be wicked- that would be their true goodness.

But they want to be rid of life; what care they if they bind others still faster with their chains and gifts!-

And ye also, to whom life is rough labour and disquiet, are ye not very tired of life? Are ye not very ripe for the sermon of death?

All ye to whom rough labour is dear, and the rapid, new, and strange- ye put up with yourselves badly; your diligence is flight, and the will to self-forgetfulness.

If ye believed more in life, then would ye devote yourselves less to the momentary. But for waiting, ye have not enough of capacity in you- nor even for idling!

Everywhere resoundeth the voices of those who preach death; and the earth is full of those to whom death hath to be preached.

Or "life eternal"; it is all the same to me- if only they pass away quickly!-

Thus spake Zarathustra.

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posted April 07, 2008 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Those words are so uplifting.

Where was he, Zarathustra?-
All these years I could have done with him to give me a good talking to!

No more lying around for me dwelling on my suffering, the world's suffering, and all the confusion that there is.

As the message said that I received from a medium recently-
I have to stand up and fight more.....

(Not literally; my grandad was actually a pacifist)

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posted April 07, 2008 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
This Zarathustra was a creation of the poetic genius, Friedrich Nietzsche.

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posted April 07, 2008 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
So it was not an accurate translation?

Have you found out which the best translation could be?

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posted April 07, 2008 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Not that it matters.

Truth is truth.

Truth vibrations are what they are.

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posted April 07, 2008 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Or Zarathustra may have been a god, channelled by Nietzsche.

Details...

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posted April 07, 2008 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Nietzsche-Viking-Library/dp/0140150625/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207571620&sr=8-1

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posted April 07, 2008 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.crystalinks.com/z.html

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posted April 07, 2008 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Somebody posted something once, where Nietzsche explained why he chose the name of the Zoroastrian prophet, but i forget what his reasons were. I'm not sure the author would mind.
"[I can scarecely recall all of my ideas, without having to remember how I came by them.]" ~ Nietzsche

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posted April 07, 2008 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"He had a more penetrating knowledge of himself than any man who has ever lived, or is ever likely to live."
~ Sigmund Freud, speaking of Nietzsche

“Nietzsche is the most sarcastic son of a ***** ever to set foot on this earth.
Just say that; then write whatever else you want, like he would.”
~ Werner Timmermann

"I desire no 'believers'. I think I am too malicious even to believe in myself.
I have no wish to be a saint, I would rather be a buffoon. Perhaps I am a buffoon."
~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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posted April 07, 2008 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I believe there is a level of consciousness beyond thought.

And I intend to rediscover it!

I feel it is not emptiness- it is far greater than anything like that.

I don't think some of these teachers we hear from today, who say it is all about abandonment of the ego, etc, letting go of attachment....are explaining it very well at all.

Such teachings make me feel confused and apathetic.

When one raises their frequency, they know it- and apathy/ detachment seems to lower it.

Surely there is a level beyond thought, yet it is rich and full somehow.

Our higher self, intuition....be what it may....

Wholeness.....being-ness

Hmmm......


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posted April 07, 2008 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I love Nee-chee

Thanks for posting.

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posted April 08, 2008 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Sure, BR.

I loved your poem about Randall.

I've been thinking about Nietzsche lately...

I think he was the first and only great shaman of Western Civilization.

I'll have more to say about that as I develop these thoughts.

But I think he is and was extremely important.

"Comedy is serious business." ~ aonymous


love to you,
hsc

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posted April 08, 2008 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
what about bill shakespeare?

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posted April 08, 2008 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I hate to compare them.

Shakespeare was a true priest.

But Nietzsche was a wildman.

Both had a great, questioning wisdom.

Shakespeare, though, is mainly obscure in his language,
while Nietzsche is more obscure in his thinking, and in his meaning.

In my opinion, he dug deeper and soared higher.

But Shakespeare is incomparable, in his way.

He had a superior power of command and control.

Nietzsche had only the grace of abandon.

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posted April 08, 2008 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps Neechee loses something in the translation?


Despite that I still find Neechee much easier to read and comprehend.

I do believe that Neechee has more of a religious quality, whereas Shakespeare is more of an artist and poet.

Excuse my spelling.

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posted April 09, 2008 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Well put, Stephen.

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posted April 09, 2008 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I like Shakespeare a lot.
Despite the fact he had misogynistic tendencies.
lol

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posted January 17, 2009 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
bump*

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