posted May 06, 2008 12:19 PM         

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Life is too short to live one day locked into habit without awareness, life is too short to blame others or our current conditions for our misery. Life is meant to be milked for every ounce of happiness it can provide.

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It bears repeating, doesn't it juni?

BR,
The following excerpt is one that has relevance to this theme of milking the happiness out of life. It also explains a little better about what I mean by being able to think myself happy.

posted May 06, 2008 12:20 PM         

Because Nietzsche has the point of view described above, he places such little weight upon logical proofs for a judgment. It is of little account to him that a judgment lets itself be proved logically; he is interested in whether one can live well under its influence. Not alone the intellect, but the whole personality of the human being must be satisfied. The best thoughts are those which bring all forces of human nature into an activity adapted to the person.

Only thoughts of this nature have interest for Nietzsche. He is not a philosophical brain, but a “gatherer of honey of the intellect” who searches for “honey baskets” of knowledge, and tries to bring home what benefits life.

posted May 06, 2008 02:07 PM         

I didn`t want you to think I was swooping down off my lofty perch to scatter fairydust and Sage advice

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posted May 06, 2008 02:13 PM         

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The Mind is something like a garden, whose thoughts must be nurtured and cultivated. From time to time, we must endeavor to weed the garden, so to speak, when it serves to be beneficial.

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As a landscaper and Seeker, those are words close to my Heart!

posted May 06, 2008 03:18 PM         

Perfectly weeded, tended, and producing an array of beautiful flowers, fruits, vegetables and herbs.

My mind is somewhat different. To tell you the truth, its a jungle in there.

posted May 06, 2008 03:44 PM         

Your post to me was very thoughtful, thank you.

My response to you is not dissimilar from my response to juni:

"Your perspective is often a welcome counter-balance to my own."

I think your message is very valuable, and it is medicine for many ills.

But I am optimistic that we can agree, it is not a panacea.

I am convinced that what I bring with me is also a medicine,
well suited to the treatment of many ills, but not a panacae.

A true physician must be acquainted with a wide array of prescriptions.

And yet, most of us just seem to push one or two elixers, like snake-oil salesmen.

We administer it to those who require it and to those who don't.

Even the best of us are not free from this arrogance at times.

And each of us, for certain, has his or her own specialty, or specially blended concoction,
which we are eager to make known to the public, for various reasons.

And, for the most part, there is more good than harm in this.

It may be that the most we can do, is set up a stand in the marketplace,
and advertise and promote and distribute our various medicines.

Passersby will decide for themselves if they think they need or want our wares.

Sometimes they will decide wrongly, and will reward us handsomely for a tincture that does them no good, or worse!

We ought to always be growing and learning, increasing our private stock of various cures,
continually experimenting with them to "iron out the devils", and learning where it is best and worst to administer them.

It is no easy matter, determining who to treat and how to treat them.

It is no easy matter, determining who is resistant for good reason.

I happen to believe, -- and I make clear that it is only my faith, --
that all resistance is for good reason, and that the best doctor never blames the patient,
just as the best teacher never blames the student.

Not everyone is meant to take your medicine or learn your lessons.
Perhaps they are too young or old, too foolish and far-gone,
or perhaps they require some other means than you have to offer.

If a doctor or teacher is able to admit their helplessness,
they may be willing to refer you to another specialist or school,
where you will receive treatment and instruction better suited to yourself.

Just a few of my gathering thoughts on this matter.

posted May 06, 2008 03:58 PM         

~ Paracelsus

"Sometimes the best thing to do is listen.
People often know what is best for themselves,
and in those instances we ought to let nature take her course.
The most reluctant patients are not always wrongly so.
They may refuse our prescriptions for better reasons than we know.
Many times it is our insistence on treating them which is bullheaded.
It may even be that God marks out certain people, at certain times,
and will not permit anyone else to play doctor before Himself,
though we may be called to assist at crucial moments,
as hands, to place the Surgeon's tools closer,
or to daub the patient's burning brow."

posted May 06, 2008 07:35 PM         

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My mind is somewhat different. To tell you the truth, its a jungle in there.

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That symptom HSC, sounds like you need to cut back on the fertilizer

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posted May 06, 2008 09:44 PM         

Funny.

Seems a little early for jokes, though.

Some messes are still being cleaned up,
and children's playthings being put back in their boxes.

But you still want to play.

I was trying to say something nice about your way,
while still remaining true to myself.

You didnt acknowledge that.

Instead you just made a glib joke at my expense. And said nothing else.

Anyway,

We dont use fertilizer in the jungle, juni.

We got the real sh-t.

posted May 06, 2008 10:42 PM         

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Some messes are still being cleaned up,
and children's playthings being put back in their boxes.

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Since I didn`t have an emotional horse in the race, my life goes on being true to myself as well ... I will leave you to ponder your missive as I move forward.

Life is good and I don`t do or say to many things I would look upon with regret. I acknowledge you are attempting to regain your balance, but you should try to understand, I never lost mine.

Oh BTW, in my neck of the woods, fertilizer is sh&t

Sorry BlueRoamer, I swooped down from my lofty perch.... dangnabit it, but HSC made me do it

Seriously Blue, I will leave the thread as I didn`t intend it to go down this road.
I accept my attempt at humor with HSC didn`t make lighten his load. My error.

juni

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posted May 06, 2008 11:37 PM         

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we are charged with a life sentence in this body, and it goes by quickly.

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.....and then there's days like today where it doesn't seem to go by quickly enough.

I see your point about medicine...but perhaps unhappiness is not an illness to be treated, but something deeper. And sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Would anyone want to be happy all the time? Would anyone want to be the sort of person that is happy all the time? I think you know the sort of person i mean. Chirp chirp chirp!

Giving in to despair,

posted May 06, 2008 11:53 PM         

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epUk3T2Kfno

posted May 07, 2008 01:01 AM         

You've nurtured and cultivated a jungle. You choose not to weed it because you deem it to be of no benefit to you.

Your result is a savage garden.

posted May 07, 2008 01:23 AM         

Maybe HSC is weeding in a manner that is simply different or less observable...sometimes we have to go to the darkest point to go back to equilibrium.

posted May 07, 2008 01:35 AM         

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Assumption is the bane of understanding.

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It sure is, LTT. It sure is.

Blue,

If you are referring to me, I am not judging his path in that post but merely reinforcing his own description of his mind through the interpretation of my post previous to that.

My! This gets awful complicated sometimes! But how I enjoy it!

posted May 07, 2008 01:51 AM         

So my assertion of loftiness from you and Juni was correct, both air signs! Riding high in the detached realms of ideas and thought eh?

However I have to disagree, what you said was clearly a judgment. You have ascertained that HSC chooses not to change. Therein lies the judgment.