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SunChild
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posted August 31, 2008 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
This was recently posted all over emails and myspace...
http://www.goodworksonearth.org/do_you_wish_that_we_show_up.html

quote:
Good Works On Earth received this message on October 23rd, 2003.

[ Note of 20070402 : For those of you who have no awareness of the metaphysical,
nor honor the spirit that you are, you need read no further on this page until you
have read the Axioms of the Lexigram. Those seeking a Treasure Trove need only
read the material at this link to know they have found stellar gold. ]

We share this message with you directly, and we do advise reading the introductory letter.
What you are about to read is without a doubt one of the the best votes you will
ever be offered the ability to make at this crucial time in our ascensions.
This vote is completely private and more accurately counted than you might imagine.
And you do have the ability to make this vote.
This long letter is worth your serious read, right to the end.
Bless,
Will I AM
Executive Director
@
Good Works On Earth
hOMe of the Lexigram

Subject: ET to Earth: Do You Wish That We Show UP?
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:49:47 -0600

Michael's preface to the ET letter is perfect - it makes you think before you read it.
And we agree with his last sentence......."maybe, just maybe...."........
And we would add ........ "Why not?" ...........

PHOENIX FIVE EARTH CHANGES BULLETIN
October 23, 2003 by MW Mandeville
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Introductory Letter : ITEMS: ET to Earth: Do You Wish That We Show UP?

MWM: This long letter to humanity appeared with no apparent return address. It is being
posted here and there. This is another internet piece for which I cannot assess the validity. All I
CAN say is that it sounds like a good idea, is coherent, and is written skillfully at a level of
intelligence and maturity with I would associate with a serious, non-technical, matter-of-fact
level of discourse. It is not ethnically loaded and the writer has a very good understanding of
language and human psychology, though there are a few moments where the grammar is different
than we are accustomed to and there are a couple of language errors. Most importantly, it makes
no reference to impossible constructs, faux-tech, nor any type of religious or New Age
buzzwords. This is as clean a straight-shooting letter as you will find. Accordingly I am
sending it to you to "vet" it and see what our Phoenix Five brain trust surmises about it. I am
also sending it to you because it might be real...

The main assertion in the letter is that human civilization is now in an uncontrollable free-fall
implosion which cannot be "fixed" from within existing social systems. The implosion is
causing, will cause a major rupture in all human orders. There is a dark road down toward the
use of technology to rapidly enslave human populations in a badly degraded and unhealthy
environment. Those who are defining this path, many of them unintentionally, have the greater
advantage of power over resources and may gain the upper hand during the coming rupture.
There are many who would take a liberating path, they could gain the upper hand if they
UNDERSTAND THE CHOICE and can lose their fear, sense of isolation, and ignorance about
the true state of affairs.

The main proposition in the letter is that the mass appearance of ET in the skies now could help
humanity clear away the veils of illusion and deceits, help settle many existential issues and
dilemmas, and provide an "attractor" to help pull positive mentalities out of the social
death-vortex and enable them to refocus the next stage in evolution.

The main question in the letter is whether you want ET to thus show UP. ET suggests that direct
contact and some cultural assistance would provide the means to overcome the major blocks in
human social and cultural evolution.

ET argues that the mental/emotional ground needs to be prepared for such contact. Consent and
expectation for such contact needs to be created around the world, less humans react in mass
with fear and become manipulated by reactive power elites. ET suggests that a focused
telepathic answer from each reader will be sufficient to assist ET is reaching a conclusion about
what it should or should not do.

Even as the internet is achieving universal penetration during this time, ET requests that this
letter, its first mass communication, be universally translated and transmitted throughout the
world. ET also suggests that this should be done by people to people, forget the mass media.

As I said, this is very interesting. It is totally free of all of the "channeling" schtuff, thank God! I
have no idea whose plot line this fits into, one could assume many different attitudes and takes
on this piece. Is it merely another writer creating the basis for another book or movie plot and
generating an audience as heshe goes? Several have done such a thing on other topics, so some
healthy skepticism is inevitably appropriate. But that skepticism may not at all be a hindrance in
answering the question posed in the letter. It may in fact help. And maybe, just maybe....well,
here is the letter. Here it is unaltered by me. Decide for yourself. ~mwm~

CHANGE THE WORLD!

"DECIDE WHETHER WE SHOULD SHOW UP!"

Whoever transmitted this translated message to you is irrelevant, and should remain anonymous in your mind. It is what you will do with this message which matters !

Each one of you wishes to exercise her/his free will and experience
happiness.

These are attributes that were shown to us and to which we now have
access. Your free will depends upon the knowledge you have of your own power.
Your happiness depends upon the love that you give and receive.

Like all conscious races at this stage of progress, you may feel isolated
on your planet. This impression makes you sure of your destiny. Yet, you are at
the brink of big upheavals that only a minority is aware of.

It is not our responsibility to modify your future without you choosing
it. Consider this message as a worldwide referendum! And your answer as a
ballot!

Who are we ?

Neither your scientists nor your religious representatives speak
unanimously about the unexplained celestial events that mankind has witnessed
for thousands of years. To know the truth, one must face it without the filter
of one´s beliefs, however respectable they may be.

A growing number of anonymous researchers of yours are exploring new
knowledge paths and are getting very close to reality. Today, your civilization
is flooded with an ocean of information of which only a tiny part, the less
upsetting one, is notably diffused.

What in your history seemed ridiculous or improbable has often become
possible, then realised, in particular in the last fifty years. Be aware that
the future will be even more surprising. You will discover the worst as well as
the best.

Like billions others in this galaxy, we are conscious creatures that some
name "extra-terrestrials", even though reality is subtler.

There is no fundamental difference between you and us, save for the
experience of certain stages of evolution. Like in any other organised
structure, hierarchy exists in our internal relationships. Ours is based upon
the wisdom of several races. It is with the approval of this hierarchy that we
turn to you.

Like most of you, we are in the quest of the Supreme Being. Therefore we
are not gods or lesser gods but virtually your equals in the Cosmic
Brotherhood.

Physically, we are somewhat different from you but for most of us
humanoid-shaped.

Our existence is a reality but the majority of you does not perceive it
yet. We are not mere observations, we are consciences just like you. You fail
to apprehend us because we remain invisible to your senses and measure
instruments most of the time.

We wish to fill this void at this moment in your history. We made this
collective decision but this is not enough. We need yours. Through this
message, you become the decision-makers ! You personally.

We have no human representative on Earth who could guide your decision.

Why aren´t we visible ?

At certain stages of evolution, cosmic "humanities" discover new forms of
science beyond the apparent control of matter. Structured dematerialisation and
materialisation are part of them. This is what your humanity has reached in a
few laboratories, in close collaboration with other "extra-terrestrial"
creatures at the cost of hazardous compromises that remain purposedly hidden
from you by some of your representatives.

Apart from the aerial or spatial objects or phenomena known about by your
scientific community, that you call UFO's, there are essentially
multidimensional manufactured spaceships that apply these capacities.
Many human beings have been in visual, auditory, tactile or psychic contact with such
ships, some of which are under occult powers that "govern" you. The scarcity of
your observations is due to the outstanding advantages provided by the
dematerialised state of these ships.

By not witnessing them by yourself, you cannot believe in their existence.
We fully understand this.

The majority of these observations are made on an individual basis so as
to touch the soul and not to modify any organised system. This is deliberate
from the races that surround you but for very different reasons and results.

For negative multidimensional beings that play a part in the exercise of
power in the shadow of human oligarchy, discretion is motivated by their will
to keep their existence and seizure unknown.

For us, discretion is motivated by the respect of the human free will that
people can exercise to manage their own affairs so that they can reach
technical and spiritual maturity on their own. Humankind´s entrance into the
family of galactic civilisations is greatly expected.

We can appear in broad daylight and help you attain this union. We haven´t
done it so far, as too few of you have genuinely desired it, because of
ignorance, indifference or fear, and because the emergency of the situation did
not justify it. Many of those who study our appearances count the lights in the
night without lighting the way. Often they think in terms of objects when it is
all about conscious beings.

Who are you ?

You are the offspring of many traditions that throughout time have been
mutually enriched by each others´ contributions. The same applies to the races
at the surface of the Earth. Your goal is to unite in the respect of these
roots to accomplish a common project. The appearance of your cultures seems to
keep you separated because you substitute it to your deeper being. Shape is now
more important than the essence of your subtle nature. For the powers in place,
this prevalence of the shape constitutes the ramparts against any form of
jeopardy.

You are being called on to overcome shape while still respecting it for
its richness and beauty. Understanding the conscience of shape makes us love
men in their diversity. Peace does not mean not making war, it consists in
becoming what you are in reality: a same Fraternity.

To understand this, the number of solutions within your reach are
decreasing. One of them consists in contact with another race that would
reflect the image of what you are in reality.

What is your situation ?

Except for rare occasions, our interventions always had very little
incidence on your capacity to make collective and individual decisions about
your own future. This is motivated by our knowledge of your deep psychological
mechanisms.

We reached the conclusion that freedom is built every day as a being
becomes aware of himself and of his environment, getting progressively rid of
constraints and inertias, whatever they may be. Despite the numerous, brave and
willing human consciences, those inertias are artificially maintained for the
profit of a growing centralising power.

Until recently, mankind lived a satisfying control of its decisions. But
it is losing more and more the control of its own fate because of the growing
use of advanced technologies, which lethal consequences on the earthly and
human ecosystems become irreversible. You are slowly but surely losing your
extraordinary capacity to make life desirable. Your resilience will
artificially decrease, independently of your own will. Such technologies exist
that affect your body as well as your mind. Such plans are on their way.

This can change as long as you keep this creative power in you, even if it
cohabits with the dark intentions of your potential lords. This is the reason
why we remain invisible. This individual power is doomed to vanish should a
collective reaction of great magnitude not happen. The period to come is that
of rupture, whichever it may be.

But should you wait for the last moment to find solutions ? Should you
anticipate or undergo pain ?

Your history has never ceased to be marked by encounters between peoples
who had to discover one another in conditions that were often conflictual.
Conquests almost always happened to the detriment of others. Earth has now
become a village where everyone knows everyone else but still conflicts persist
and threats of all kinds get worse in duration and intensity.

Although a Human being as an individual, yet having many potential
capacities, cannot exercise them with dignity. This is the case for the biggest
majority of you for reasons that are essentially geopolitical.

There are several billion of you. The education of your children and your
living conditions, as well as the conditions of numerous animals and much plant
life are nevertheless under the thumb of a small number of your political,
financial, military and religious representatives.

Your thoughts and beliefs are modelled after partisan interests to turn
you into slaves while at the same time giving you the feeling that you are in
total control of your destiny, which in essence is the reality.

But there is a long way between a wish and a fact when the true rules of
the game at hand are unknown. This time, you are not the conqueror. Biasing
information is a millenary strategy for human beings. Inducting thoughts,
emotions or organisms that do not belong to you via ad hoc technologies is an
even older a strategy.

Wonderful opportunities of progress stand close to big subdual and
destruction threats. These dangers and opportunities exist now. However, you
can only perceive what is being shown to you. The end of natural resources is
programmed whereas no long-term collective project has been launched.

Ecosystem exhaustion mechanisms have exceeded irreversible limits. The
scarcity of resources and their unfair distribution - resources which entry
price will rise day after day - will bring about fratricide fights at a large
scale, but also at the very heart of your cities and countrysides.

Hatred grows bigger but so does love. That is what keeps you confident in
your ability to find solutions. But the critical mass is insufficient and a
sabotage work is cleverly being carried out.

Human behaviours, formed from past habits and trainings, have such an
inertia that this perspective leads you to a dead end. You entrust these
problems to representatives, whose conscience of common well-being slowly fades
away in front of corporatist interests, with those difficulties. They are
always debating on the form but rarely on the content.

Just at the moment of action, delays will accumulate to the point when you
have to submit rather than choose. This is the reason why, more than ever in
your history, your decisions of today will directly and significantly impact
your survival of tomorrow.

What event could radically modify this inertia that is typical of any
civilisation ? Where will a collective and unifying awareness come from, that
will stop this blind rushing ahead ?

Tribes, populations and human nations have always encountered and
interacted with one another. Faced with the threats weighing upon the human
family, it is perhaps time that a greater interaction occurred.

A great roller wave is on the verge of emerging. It mixes very positive
but also very negative aspects.

Who are the "third party" ?

There are two ways to establish a cosmic contact with another
civilisation: via its standing representatives or directly with individuals
without distinction. The first way entails fights of interests, the second way
brings awareness.

The first way was chosen by a group of races motivated by keeping mankind
in slavery, thereby controlling Earth resources, the gene pool and human
emotional energy.

The second way was chosen by a group of races allied with the cause of the
Spirit of service. We have, at our end, subscribed to this disinterested cause
and introduced ourselves a few years ago to representatives of the human power
who refused our outstretched hand on the pretext of incompatible interests with
their strategic vision.

That is why today individuals are to make this choice by themselves
without any representative interfering. What we proposed in the past to those
whom we believed were in a capacity to contribute to your happiness, we propose
it now to ... you!

Most of you ignore that non-human creatures took part in the exercise of
those centralising powers without them being neither suspected nor accessible
to your senses. This is so true that they have almost very subtly taken
control. They do not necessarily stand on your material plan, and that is
precisely what could make them extremely efficient and frightening in the near
future. However, be aware that a large number of your representatives are
fighting this danger ! Be aware that not all abductions are made against you.
It is difficult to recognize the truth !

How could you under such conditions exercise your free will when it is so
much manipulated ? What are you really free of ?

Peace and reunification of your peoples would be a first step toward the
harmony with civilisations other than yours.

That is precisely what those who manipulate you behind the scenes want to
avoid at all cost because, by dividing, they reign! They also reign over those
who govern you. Their strength comes from their capacity to distillate mistrust
and fear into you. This considerably harms your very cosmic nature.

This message would be of no interest if these manipulators´ tutorate did
not reach its peak and if their misleading and murderous plans did not
materialise in a few years from now. Their deadlines are close and mankind will
undergo unprecedented torments for the next ten cycles.

To defend yourselves against this aggression that bears no face, you need
at least to have enough information that leads to the solution.

As is also the case with humans, resistance exists amongst those dominant
races. Here again, appearance will not be enough to tell the dominator from the
ally. At your current state of psychism, it is extremely difficult for you to
distinguish between them. In addition to your intuition, training will be
necessary when the time has come.

Being aware of the priceless value of free will, we are inviting you to an
alternative.

What can we offer ?

We can offer you a more holistic vision of the universe and of life,
constructive interactions, the experience of fair and fraternal relationships,
liberating technical knowledge, eradiction of suffering, controlled exercise of
individual powers, the access to new forms of energy and, finally, a better
comprehension of consciousness.

We cannot help you overcome your individual and collective fears, or bring
you laws that you would not have chosen, work on your own selves, individual
and collective effort to build the world you desire, the spirit of quest to new
skies.

What would we receive ?

Should you decide that such a contact takes place, we would rejoice over
the safeguarding of fraternal equilibrium in this region of the universe,
fruitful diplomatic exchanges, and the intense Joy of knowing that you are
united to accomplish what you are capable of. The feeling of Joy is strongly
sought in the universe for its energy is divine.

What is the question we ask you ?

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"

How to can you answer this question ?

The truth of soul can be read by telepathy. You only need to clearly ask
yourself this question and give your answer as clearly, on your own or in a
group, as you wish. Being in the heart of a city or in the middle of a desert
does not impact the efficiency of your answer, YES or NO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
ASKING THE QUESTION! Just do it as if you were speaking to yourself but
thinking about the message.

This is a universal question and these mere few words, put in their
context, have a powerful meaning. You should not let hesitation in the way.
This is why you should calmly think about it, in all conscience. In order to
perfectly associate your answer with the question, it is recommended that you
answer right after another reading of this message.

Do not rush to answer. Breathe and let all the power of your own free will
penetrate you. Be proud of what you are ! The problems that you may have weaken
you. Forget about them for a few minutes to be yourselves. Feel the force that
springs up in you. You are in control of yourselves !

A single thought, a single answer can drastically change your near future,
in one way as in another.

Your individual decision of asking in your inner self that we show up on
your material plan and in broad daylight is precious and essential to us.

Even though you can choose the way that best suits you, rituals are
essentially useless. A sincere request made with your heart and your own will
will always be perceived by those of us whom it is sent to.

In your own private polling booth of your secret will, you will determine
the future.

What is the lever effect ?

This decision should be made by the greatest number among you, even though
it might seem like a minority. It is recommended to spread this message, in all
envisage able fashions, in as many languages as possible, to those around you,
whether or not they seem receptive to this new vision of the future.

Do it using in a humorous tone or derision if that can help you. You can
even openly and publicly make fun of it if it makes you feel more comfortable
but do not be indifferent for at least you will have exercised your free will.

Forget about the false prophets and the beliefs that have been transmitted
to you about us. This request is one of the most intimate that can be asked to
you. Making a decision by yourself, as an individual, is your right as well as
your responsibility !

Passivity only leads to the absence of freedom. Similarly, indecision is
never efficient. If you really want to cling to your beliefs, which is
something that we understand, then say NO. If you do not know what to choose,
do not say YES because of mere curiosity. This is not a show, this is real
daily life, WE ARE ALIVE ! And living !

Your history has plenty of episodes when determined men and women were
able to influence the thread of events in spite of their small number.

Just like a small number is enough to take temporal power on Earth and
influence the future of the majority, a small number of you can radically
change your fate as an answer to the impotence in face of so much inertia and
hurdles ! You can ease the mankind´s birth to Brotherhood.

One of your thinkers once said: "Give me a hand-hold and I´ll raise the
Earth".

Spreading this message will then be the hand-hold to strengthen, we will
be the light-years long lever, you will be the craftsmen to ... raise the Earth
as a consequence of our appearance.

What would be the consequences of a positive decision ?

For us, the immediate consequence of a collective favourable decision
would be the materialisation of many ships, in your sky and on Earth.

For you, the direct effect would be the rapid abandoning of many
certitudes and beliefs.

A simple conclusive visual contact would have huge repercussions on your
future. Much knowledge would be modified forever. The organisation of your
societies would be deeply upheaved for ever, in all fields of activity. Power
would become individual because you would see for yourself that we are living.
Concretely, you would change the scale of your values !

The most important thing for us is that humankind would form a single
family in front of this "unknown" we would represent !

Danger would slowly melt away from your homes because you would indirectly
force the undesirable ones, those we name the "third party", to show up and
vanish. You would all bear the same name and share the same roots: Mankind !

Later on, peaceful and respectful exchanges would be thus possible if such
is your wish. For now, he who is hungry cannot smile, he who is fearful cannot
welcome us. We are sad to see men, women and children suffering to such a
degree in their flesh and in their hearts when they bear such an inner light.

This light can be your future. Our relationships could be progressive.

Several stages of several years or decades would occur: demonstrative
appearance of our ships, physical appearance beside human beings, collaboration
in your technical and spiritual evolution, discovery of parts of the galaxy.

Every time, new choices would be offered to you. You would then decide by
yourself to cross new stages if you think it necessary to your external and
inner well-being. No interference would be decided upon unilaterally. We would
leave as soon as you would collectively wish that we do.

Depending upon the speed to spread the message across the world, several
weeks, or even several months will be necessary before our "great appearance",
if such is the decision made by the majority of those who will have used their
capacity to choose, and if this message receives the necessary support.

The main difference between your daily prayers to entities of a strictly
spiritual nature and your current decision is extremely simple : we are
technically equipped to materialise!

Why such a historical dilemma ?

We know that "foreigners" are considered as enemies as long as they embody
the "unknown". In a first stage, the emotion that our appearance will generate
will strengthen your relationships on a worldwide scale.

How could you know whether our arrival is the consequence of your
collective choice ? For the simple reason that we would have otherwise been
already there for a long time at your level of existence ! If we are not there
yet, it is because you have not made such a decision explicitly.

Some among you might think that we would make you believe in a deliberate
choice of yours so as to legitimate our arrival, though this would not be true.
What interest would we have to openly offer you what you haven´t got any access
to yet, for the benefit of the greatest number of you ?

How could you be certain that this is not yet another subtle manoeuvre of
the "third party" to better enslave you ? Because one always more efficiently
fights something that is identified than the contrary. Isn´t the terrorism that
corrodes you a blatant example ?

Whatever, you are the sole judge in your own heart and soul ! Whatever
your choice, it would be respectable and respected ! In the absence of human
representatives who could potentially seduce into error you ignore everything
about us as well as from about those who manipulate you without your consent.

In your situation, the precautionary principle that consists in not trying
to discover us does no longer prevail. You are already in the Pandora´s box
that the "third party" has created around you. Whatever
your decision may be you will have to get out of it.

In the face of such a dilemma, one ignorance against another, you need to
ask your intuition. Do you want to see us with your own eyes, or simply believe
what your thinkers say ? That is the real question!

After thousands of years, one day, this choice was going to be inevitable:
choosing between two unknowns.

Why spread such a message among yourselves ?

Translate and spread this message widely. This action will affect your
future in an irreversible and historical way at the scale of millenniums,
otherwise, it will postpone a new opportunity to choose to several years later,
at least one generation, if it can survive.

Not choosing, stands for undergoing other people´s choice. Not informing
others stands for running the risk of obtaining a result that is contrary to
one´s expectations. Remaining indifferent means giving up one´s free will.

It is all about your future. It is all about your evolution.

It is possible that this invitation does not receive your collective
assent and that, because of a lack of information, it will be disregarded.
Nevertheless no individual desire goes unheeded in the universe.

Imagine our arrival tomorrow. Thousands of ships. A unique cultural shock
in today´s mankind´s history. It will then be too late to regret about not
making a choice and spreading the message because this discovery will be
irreversible. We do insist that you do not rush into it, but do think about it
! And decide !

The big medias will not be necessarily interested in spreading this
message. It is therefore your task, as an anonymous yet an extraordinary
thinking and loving being, to transmit it.

You are still the architects of your own fate...

"DO YOU WISH THAT WE SHOW UP ?"


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posted August 31, 2008 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Uh huh.

I try to give Lexigramming a serious good reputation and then this kind of stuff is associated with Lexigramming.
It's no wonder many folks think Lexigrams are new age fluff bunny la la daisy do dah silly nonsense.
It is really a shame to say the least.

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posted September 01, 2008 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message

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posted September 07, 2008 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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posted September 07, 2008 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
come on, this is bol'locks.

i hope nobody fall for this


No kidding!
I am surprised a so called Lexigramming site would promote such a thing.
A Koolaid crew yeah...a lets kill ourselves and jump a comet group...
but from a site which should be serious....
Too weird goofy sad and gives real Lexigrammers a bad name as being all nutcases daisy doo dah crystals up their tukas or brain fried la la minded types who buy into every silly new age fad without using discernment or any common sense.
Very disturbing to say the least.

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posted September 07, 2008 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Why is this ******** ?
I'm not saying that I believe it as much as I don't believe it but I just want to ask why you have all come to this conclusion?

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posted September 07, 2008 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah....who knows....for sure that is.

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posted September 08, 2008 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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posted September 12, 2008 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I answered the question... honestly to myself, and then I realized I had never asked myself that question ever before. If anything, it was an excellent catalyst for igniting possibilities that we may potentially influence. hmmmmm...

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posted September 13, 2008 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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posted September 16, 2008 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Well argued!

I agree that there is quite an aggressive tone to this message and perhaps an underlying malefic intention.

Having sanity and being gullible are two different things and many people have both these conditions!

Yes humnanity should be eompowered and left to their own devices but should the same be said for other 3rd world countries who receive the aid of further developed countries to introduce them to the ways of self empowerment.

It is very possible that this message is a fake as it is possible that it could be genuine!
Stranger things can happen

The possibility is that this message is genuine and comes form a benevolent source until proven otherwise.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Shantideva's "The Way of the Bodhisattva", which the Dalai Lama credits for any deeper insight he might have, begins with a long list of the horrors that await the spiritual sluggard. I could barely get through it, it was so negative, totally seeking to motivate me by fear. But, then, if there is a danger up ahead, wouldnt you want to know about it? Or go on living in ignorant bliss? So, I dont think that is a good reason at all to dismiss this as a fraud. But, if it is, we have to dismiss the Way of the Bodhissatva as well.

The fact that they require our free will consent is rather absurd, on the surface, since, who really would choose torments over utopia? And, yet, it could very well be some metaphysical law we are unaware of, and, as many alleged channellings claim, a necessary condition for them to intervene on a large scale. Who knows.

As for God, He has certainly kept his distance, while wars and holocausts took over the earth, and how responsible is that? Lets try to think rationally here. Seems to me it is almost inevitable that there must be civilizations on other planets, in other solar systems, maybe on other dimensions, who are, like ourselves, made in the image of God. These beings may believe in the same light of god that you do, praecipua.

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posted September 22, 2008 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't read the whole thing,
but I read far enough to hear the question,
and to cognisize my intention for fellowship.
If that is all they are asking of me,
I'm happy to oblige.

I think it is interesting,
and a good exercize, if nothing else.


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I realized I had never asked myself that question ever before. If anything, it was an excellent catalyst for igniting possibilities that we may potentially influence. hmmmmm...

Absolutely.

Thanks for posting!

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posted September 22, 2008 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted September 23, 2008 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
i didn't know about Shantideva's "The Way of the Bodhisattva", and googled it, thank you for this new source of info HSC.

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posted September 29, 2008 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You're very welcome, Praecipua, but I wouldn't think its your cup of tea.


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44. How much more is one overpowered by the horrifying appearances of the Messengers of Death as one is consumed by the fevers of terror, and smeared with a mass of excrement?

45. With distressed glances, I seek protection in the four directions. Which good person will be my protection from this great fear?

46. Seeing the four directions devoid of protection, I return to confusion. What shall I do in that state of great fear?

47. Right now I go for refuge to the Protectors of the world whose power is great, to the Jinas, who strive to protect the world and who eliminate every fear.

48. Likewise, I earnestly go for refuge to the Dharma that is mastered by them and that annihilates the fear of the cycle of existence, and to the assembly of Bodhisattvas as well.

49. Trembling with fear, I offer myself to Samantabhadra, and of my own will I offer myself to Manjughosa.

50. Terrified, I utter a mournful cry to the Protector, Avalokita, whose conduct overflows with compassion, that he may protect me, a sinner.

~ Shantideva "Way of the Bodhisattva"



Well, what do you think?

"does it sound like a responsible comment? one that tries to rally people around love or fear?"

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posted September 29, 2008 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
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posted October 01, 2008 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
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posted October 01, 2008 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
I'll read it, and let u know

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posted October 01, 2008 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Or you could just read what I posted for you.

Its a far better example of motivation by fear than the material you judged.

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posted October 02, 2008 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
HSC
What is the Shantideva "Way of the Bodhisattva"?
Is it a book or ancient buddhist text?
Much interested in reading.
BTW
Please if you haven't already http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htmcheck out http://www.drday.com/#see http://www.greggbraden.com/

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posted October 02, 2008 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/video/052008.htm
This link from edge media tv is more apt for this thread.

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posted October 02, 2008 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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posted October 02, 2008 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
This thread was dead before I ressurrected it and brought attention to your hypocrisy.

The material SunChild posted made a few brief allusions to negative consequences, and you promptly pronounced it "bullocks".

The excerpt I posted is even more explicit in its focus on negative consequences, -- even to the point of glorifying fear.

But you lack the integrity to either revise your position, or to reject Shantideva for the same reason you rejected this.

Now you urge us to divert attention from your error and return to the topic at hand (which you dismissed as "bullocks").

But your error is precisely the point at which the conversation has arrived; your reasons for dimissing the material have been demolished.

You have no response to this, so you are insisting that it is off-topic, when, in fact, it is the very essence of the topic.

You are in denial. Or just too embarrassed, or too flippant, to publicly admit the contradiction. I think its worth pointing out.

You're welcome.

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