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Topic: Eckhart Tolle - Enlightenment
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Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9437 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted September 19, 2008 04:40 PM
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deuxantares Knowflake Posts: 1266 From: Meet Me in Sofia Registered: Nov 2006
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posted September 20, 2008 11:51 AM
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sVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1191 From: Co, US Registered: Jul 2002
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posted September 20, 2008 08:30 PM
It's great! Thank you!
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starr33 Moderator Posts: 601 From: My Mother Registered: Oct 2006
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posted September 21, 2008 01:10 AM
A very gentle man. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9437 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted September 21, 2008 02:15 AM
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BiBi DeAngelo Knowflake Posts: 875 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2007
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posted September 21, 2008 02:32 PM
For those of you who might not know... A movie on Eckhardt life is about to be made... and the actor Jim Carrey is attached to the project to play the role of Eckhardt! Jim has been a fan of Eckhardt and was even present at the huge event that Eckhardt did at UCLA last fall. Thanks for sharing the links Heart Shape...
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Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9437 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted September 21, 2008 03:33 PM
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deuxantares Knowflake Posts: 1266 From: Meet Me in Sofia Registered: Nov 2006
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posted September 22, 2008 05:45 PM
Bibi, that is . I'm curious about his lovelife. IP: Logged |
starr33 Moderator Posts: 601 From: My Mother Registered: Oct 2006
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posted September 22, 2008 10:15 PM
He has a partner named Kim. That's all I know.IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9437 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted September 23, 2008 01:27 AM
"God, or your essential nature is not something; not content; not form. The best description in words is to say 'not what it is not', and then you're left with what it is, which cannot be named, but can be known, - but cannot be known conceptually because, again, every concept is a name, and a form. It can be known, simply, easily, in the silent space of stillness... These are pointers. The analysis of pointers is pointless. But the mind wants to have content, so it will ask questions about the pointers, instead of allowing the pointers to point. It wants to analyze the pointers, the signposts. It wants to ask questions about the signpost. 'Let's look at this signpost. Let's examine it. Let's get out the microscope. '... Allow the statement to work in you as a pointer, not as an explanation of the universe, because there can be none."~ Eckhart Tolle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42cTkiGdXY&feature=related IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9437 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted September 23, 2008 02:09 AM
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SunChild Moderator Posts: 4377 From: Australia Registered: Jan 2004
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posted September 23, 2008 06:34 AM
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Kat Knowflake Posts: 1102 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Jan 2003
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posted October 25, 2008 10:18 AM
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indyBee Knowflake Posts: 79 From: Brooklyn, New York Registered: Jan 2008
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posted November 07, 2008 04:36 PM
yes! indeed he is very gentle...very easing listening to his soft voice thank you for sharing IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1486 From: santa monica, california Registered: May 2005
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posted November 13, 2008 03:34 AM
thank thank thank uuuu for sharing this. absolutely loved it. IP: Logged |
CrimsonChyld Knowflake Posts: 416 From: Murray, UT Registered: May 2008
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posted November 13, 2008 01:09 PM
------------------ "Secrets and lies can sleep from the walls of Rome if we sit hard enough on them. They are undeniably destined to come out. Tomorrow, the next day or a hundred years from now!" IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 5861 From: UK Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 21, 2008 11:18 AM
I'm in the process of reading "The Power Of Now".I'm just curious to ask, those of you who are further ahead than me in reading his work- does Ekhart feel that life on the physical plane has meaning? ------------------ "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" ~Albert Einstein IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9437 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted December 21, 2008 04:34 PM
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 5861 From: UK Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 21, 2008 08:50 PM
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 5861 From: UK Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 26, 2008 06:28 AM
I'm not sure that Ekhart Tolle is a truly enlightened person. I'm sure he helps some people to find a sense of peace, but there are many people who his teachings would not be helpful to. For example, a person being tortured in a prison camp would not be helped by focussing on "the now", but in staying hopeful for the future. What also helps people get through times like that is a belief that there is a greater plan behind the suffering humans and their fellow creatures endure in this life, and that a day will come where we can transcend these things. And that there is purpose and meaning to it all. Ekhat Tolle teaches us that we suffer because we are attached to purpose and form, I don't think he has the bigger picture here. I think he is a man who spent nearly 30 years with severe depression who one day, for whatever reason, experienced a shift in his consciousness and was able to experience its opposite- inner peace. He teaches people what it is like and how to experience that frame of mind- his frame of mind. It helps some people. But I don't think he is truly enlightened yet. He doesn't have the bigger picture.
I think past, present and future are of equal importance. The past because our past has shaped us into the person we are today and where we are. By viewing our past differently we are able to heal it. The present is important because we are in the process of creating in every moment of it. The future is important because what we do now depends on the kind of furture we invisage for ourselves and our fellow kin. If these things are not important and I am wrong and Ekhart Tolle is in fact truly enlightened....then it would mean that life has no real purpose, that all this suffering is nothing more than a "game", an experience. WTF??? It's people like him that people like me cannot draw strength from when we are in such pain it seems to consume us completely. If life is nothing more than an illusion, an experience then I might as well go and top myself. Thanks, Ekhart....I think you need to go back and do some more soul searching, mate. As it happens I gained a few insights recently, I might share them one day. But I need to get myself through the heartache first, I need to find a way to keep sight of a sense of purpose. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15323 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted December 26, 2008 10:58 AM
Hi LTT. Sorry you are feeling so down. Reading your post made me think of this quote: "Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." - Dalai Lama I dont have a strong opinion on Ekhart. I never finished A New Earth, but plan to some day. Also I wanted to comment on your prisoners comment. I have a close family member who is in prison, going on five years now. He has to deal with alot of serious BS between the guards and other inmates. He has found that focusing on where he is here and now is the only thing that keeps him sane. Focussing on the future brings pain to the present moment because it's a reminder of what is not. There's a book out there called We Are All Doing Time, written for prisoners and people who are so called "free", that gives people suggestions on transforming their situations, whatever they may be. Turning your cell into an ashram or sorts. Anyway, it's a great book. "Stone walls do not a prison make, Nor iron bars a cage; Minds innocent and quiet take That for an hermitage; If I have freedom in my love And in my soul am free, Angels alone, that soar above, Enjoy such liberty. - Richard Lovelace Why focus on whether Eckhart is enlightened or not? Is that really important? I think he still has some nuggets of truth to be held on to. Many 'unenlightened' people have much to teach and much we can learn from. I think we are all hardpressed to find truly enlightened people here on earth unless we read a book written by one (and of course they are all telling you to develop it within yourself first and foremost). We are all human after all, most of us are unenlightened. Yet, wisdom can be gathered from anything if you try. Even in the world around you that you are setting into motion. "Thanks, Ekhart....I think you need to go back and do some more soul searching, mate." No offence but I think it's you who needs to do that. You seem to be in so much pain, LTT. It's tough to sit back and watch because you do it to yourself. It's like you torture yourself and on some level are addicted to being in pain. Seems you are constantlly filling your eyes and ears with the evil in the world will really drive one mad! Is that the path you want to be on? It may be that the pain is easier for you to handle than the truth. What happned to "Love is all there is, everything else is illusion." ? Do you not subscribe to that belief anymore? If the rest is an illusion, it's not supposed to kill you inside. When you truly understand the truth of that, it can no longer touch you because you truly see it for what it is. You are giving something that is an illusion power over you? Letting it dim your love-light out. Clearly you don't really believe it is an illusion yet. How have enlightened people thoroughout time handled the pain and suffereing that comes along with this world? Do they constantly search for it and let it ruin their inner life? Or develop another way of seeing... I dont know which book by him you are reading but in a New Earth he talked alot about the 'pain body'. It's our false selves that are the only ones who can be in pain. I truly believe this and have experimented with the concept and made a lot of observations. Dealing with it doesnt mean you become some cold unfeeling rock either. Just the opposite. Not focussing on these things doesnt mean one is simply turning a blind eye. Anywyay I'm not trying to stick up for him, but it seems to me that he has left a lot of things unaswered for you and maybe what's more is that he's not fitting in with your mold of how things are. So gaps are forming and he must be unenlightened. Do you think that watching youtubes about how sick the world is, and then letting it eat you up inside is a healthy way to live LTT? I'm really curious. You seem extremely educated in the Illuminati, conspiricy theeories and secret societies and much of the pain that goes on in this world. How long to you 'stay there' though? How long do you ride that merry-go-round? It will be an option in this circus always. If it's giving you head and heart-aches, essencially making you sick, is it time to continue on the same ride? What if life isnt so complicated? If it's about finding ways to achieve inner peace. It has been said that that is a most important thing. Do you think people can end the pain and suffering of the world with action? Or does it really start from within and one by one? I was having a discussion with an old friend the other day about how everyone has a light and a darkside within them, that we are all battling the same thing constantly. Yet most people think it's going on outside. And in a way it is, because most people havent found inner peace or are not working towards it. That to succumb to the dark is taking the easy way out; it really is so much easier to choose pain. We agreed that taking the high road is often a harder thing to do and is why many people are in pain; because they are refusing to let their light side win. Without even realizing it most of the time. You know? The weak will nourish their pain. Light is and takes strength to hold. It's easier to look out and point a finger than win your own inner war. The world can be a nasty place and until you find true strength and peace within, you are unequipped for it. Some say what you see 'out there' is only a reflection of what's going on within; the 'illusion'. Hopefully what I said doesnt upset you more. They are just things I've gleaned and felt the need to share. And I think that you are bringing alot of unnecessary pain to yourself by watching the videos that you do constantly. I hope that you do not drive yourself mad. It is possible. Peace be with you.
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15323 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted December 26, 2008 11:21 AM
quote: It's people like him that people like me cannot draw strength from when we are in such pain it seems to consume us completely.
Draw your strength from somewhere within you then. The truth is hard to swallow, that strength you are seeking is harder to face and hold. Because it is too simple and and threatens to blow all of the notions youve aquired right out the window. And it will. And that's scary. Pain, suffering and conspiracies of men are more exciting and easier to handle than the simple truth. Or the hard work that comes along with reorganizing your inner life. Falling to your knees in Love doesnt come easy or quickly. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 5861 From: UK Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 27, 2008 10:53 AM
Thank you, Tara. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 15323 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted December 27, 2008 11:51 AM
Youre welcome! ....sorry, your name's somewhere on the tip of my tounge. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 5861 From: UK Registered: Jul 2005
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posted January 06, 2009 06:45 PM
Frodo:"I wish the ring had never come to me.I wish none of this had happened". Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times.
But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought". IP: Logged |