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VinayM19
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posted January 12, 2009 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VinayM19     Edit/Delete Message
If u wanna Know Thyself then Love Thyself.

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Ariefairy
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posted January 12, 2009 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message

quote, HSC

Who "finds himself" merely finds a fitting place to settle down and call his home.
Great personal transitions are not so much metamorphoses, but migrations.

im late in the conversation, i know, but this has struck me, i find it interesting your transition thought of metamorphosis as migration, to know thyself, could migration be the form of metamorphosis? for in the migration to another stance, another perspective, surely, some form of metamorphosis occurs to the point of migration> just a notion....

also...

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I am a thinker. That's how I worship.
And God is not indifferent, or inaccessible, to my form of worship.
You may not find God in these complicated places, but I do. I can

i must ask here, out of my own curious and questioning nature.....what is your perception of 'God' HSC?

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mezzoelf1
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posted January 12, 2009 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mezzoelf1     Edit/Delete Message
HSC - in all endeavours we can find and be with God. All work undertaken with love and resolve will be manna to heaven. I like the way you express your relationship with Him - 'labours of love' indeed!

Also note 'labours' - you labour in your mind to find truths which are meaningful to you. You are not prepared to accept anything less and seem on a continual quest to question everything. This is 'you'.

x

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Out of clutter find simplicity.

From dischord find harmony.

In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 12, 2009 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
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Yup, I'm simple. I thought I was deep, then started reading your threads...LOL!!

You are deep.

You could dive, if you wanted to.

But you have your own way, and thats fine.

There is something profound in having "light feet", and,
like Emerson teaches, learning to skate over the surfaces of things.

That can be equally meaningful, if done right.

Some of us go deep to escape the surface,
and some go to the surface to escape the deep.

What matters is that you turn that "escape" into an exodus.

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posted January 12, 2009 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Arie --

That "migrations" line is my favorite,
and really the only thing of real value in the piece.
It was the insight I tried to explain by the surrounding words.

The word "transition" was carefully chosen,
as it has this double meaning, of change and relocation.

tran·si·tion
1 a: passage from one state, stage, subject, or place to another : CHANGE
b: a movement, development, or evolution from one form, stage, or style to another

Of course something changes, but this is the obvious way of seeing,
and insight is evoked by suggesting less obvious points of view.
As I see it, something gets exhausted, used up, burnt down to ash; then we move on.

quote:

what is your perception of 'God' HSC?

If I had a nickel for every time...

Just keep reading my posts, A.

My perception of God is ongoing and obscure.

I myself only get glimpses, snapshots,
and try to place these in some sort of order,
then flip through them quickly, in order to see God in action.

You could say "God is a verb", but God is not just a verb.

And when I say "God is this or that", it should be understood,
I am also saying, "God is not just this or that."

For me, Truth is not something static and concrete.

Almost every perception is true, in some sense, false in another.

Just about anything you can think about God, is another way of perceiving Him.

Perspectives are taken, as masks are put on,
in order to evoke an insight, and to correct an imbalance,
but, the mask (the perception), must be discarded before it eats into the face.

The Face of God, that is. lol

Your Face, which can never be seen.

So, you will hear me contradict myself frequently,
and, if you try to make linear sense of it all,
you will go just as insane as I have gone, lol.

But that can be fun, too.

The point, really, is not to have a rigid conception of God.

While most people are intent on forming and maintaining a particular conception of God,
I am more interested in "Being God", or "Living God", or, "Allowing God".

"I do not seek. I find." ~ Picasso

But my seeking is my finding.

So, when you ask me what my perception of God is,
its like asking a wanderer, "Where are you going?"

I have no destination. I am already there.

I wish I could make that clearer, for both of us, lol.

God Bless

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 12, 2009 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Mezz --

Very well said.

And Thank you.

I like how you express your relationship to God, too.


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Also note 'labours' - you labour in your mind to find truths which are meaningful to you. You are not prepared to accept anything less and seem on a continual quest to question everything. This is 'you'.

That is many people.

But I think you are on to something.

Thank you.

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mezzoelf1
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posted January 12, 2009 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mezzoelf1     Edit/Delete Message
HSC

a pleasure! the thought came to me during a break in my otherwise manic day - moment of clarity one might say.

Another thought....we sometimes forget that by simply existing, by being here in human form, we are an aspect and expression of Divine love. therin lies much meaning. of course question what it is that makes you 'you' but also take comfort in the fact that there is no one else on this planet with your essence. you are unique (as we all are) and if you suddenly ceased to 'be' there would be an empty HSC shaped space left behind, albeit to those who can sense such things, mind

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Out of clutter find simplicity.

From dischord find harmony.

In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.

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posted January 12, 2009 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Excellent point!

You touch my heart.

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mezzoelf1
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posted January 13, 2009 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mezzoelf1     Edit/Delete Message
right back at ya!

I enjoy reading your thoughts because, like any great thinker they get my mind switched on....

keep em coming!

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Out of clutter find simplicity.

From dischord find harmony.

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Ariefairy
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posted January 13, 2009 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message
HSC. thankyou for enlightening me on those points, i love this website, it draws me to open my perspectives....and see through the eyes of others...


"I do not seek. I find." ~ Picasso - what a beautiful quote to use...

I am not a religious person, at all, i am a curious one....that seeks affirmation through knowledge....I understand the meaning of 'God', the pure unconditional love that binds the universe, the energy, the source, and everything that is given returns. Like, Magnet power of energy. (magnets are fascinating)...but i am always curious at how others perceive this....and your answer again has given rise to more thoughts....

not sounding cynical here, but what always makes me wonder is the relevance of the word Him referring to God...I view life as the balance of the Yin and Yang forces, they are inextricabley linked to all that is...there is always a harmony, a balance, therefore, the God-Like quality must surely be as the symbol denotes 69, (the Piscean fish),(The symbol of Yin and Yang): the very magnetism that is sustained within the earths cycles, human relationships, etc...i feel that God represents this balance...

and i've always found it interesting Linda Goodman's notion of God (Lexi - Dog)....representing the unconditional love these creatures give to their owners, placed to give understanding of the meaning of love...for all its unselfish values. It's funny, how the magic of the universe works...we have two beautiful twin dogs, Pisces, they are the most loving creatures, its true what Linda says, and they help me to understand 'God like' love, so we all find our ways of understanding God, and love...

(also, how wonderful, by miracle, we now have 7 black and white animals in our house, : 2 Pisces border collies, 2 Gemini cats and 3 Saggitarius kittens...i feel blessed, its true,.... "I do not seek. I find." ~ Picasso

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 14, 2009 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You're welcome, Arie! Thanx!
I used to have the most wonderful and adorable cockapoo in the world. O, I miss him!


Mezzoelf --
You are too sweet.
What is a Mezzo Elf, anyway?
Inquiring minds what to know.

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mezzoelf1
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posted January 14, 2009 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mezzoelf1     Edit/Delete Message
Hey there HSC!

a Mezzo Elf is, I suppose, a singing elf! I have sung for years (and trained in this art). 'Mezzo' refers to my vocal range (mezzo soprano) and, as this is such an important aspect to my personality I felt it appropriate as a username.

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Out of clutter find simplicity.

From dischord find harmony.

In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.

- Albert Einstein

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Ariefairy
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raj_105_2001
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posted January 14, 2009 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message
HSC,

I would like to say when you consider knowing yourself as a destination instead of a journey, you may not reach the place, because your very effort in knowing the place prevents you from reaching it. But when you consider it as a journey rather than a destination, there is an inner release and you will eventually find yourself.

I believe it is possible to know yourself.

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Ariefairy
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posted January 14, 2009 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message
raj: quote

I would like to say when you consider knowing yourself as a destination instead of a journey, you may not reach the place,


..i don't think he meant it in that way...knowing the self as a destination...

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posted January 14, 2009 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, raj. Well said. Whether one speaks of finding God, or of finding the Self, there is something insightful in reflecting upon the journey, rather than the destination. When you admit ignorance of yourself, of God, and of the "destination", you allow for limitless possibilities. But the very notion of where we think we are going, or who we think we are, can prevent us from getting anywhere; it can lock us into a small patch of ground, and blind us to the world, all the people, and all the possibilities around us. I would say it is possible to know yourself in the sense that it is possible to know the mountain you are climbing, even if it is too big to ever be surmounted; you know you are there, on the mountain, and every step you take, you know the mountain better.. even if you never know every last inch of it. The problem is that, generally, when people speak of knowing themselves, there is this assumption that there is nothing more to know, and that what is known is unchanging. I think even the soul's essence changes.. in time.

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posted January 14, 2009 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

And now once more lieth the lead of his guilt upon him, and once more is his weak reason so benumbed, so paralysed, and so dull.

Could he only shake his head, then would his burden roll off; but who shaketh that head?

What is this man? A mass of diseases that reach out into the world through the spirit; there they want to get their prey.

What is this man? A coil of wild serpents that are seldom at peace among themselves—so they go forth apart and seek prey in the world.


~ nietzsche

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raj_105_2001
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posted January 14, 2009 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message
quote:

But the very notion of where we think we are going, or who we think we are, can prevent us from getting anywhere; it can lock us into a small patch of ground, and blind us to the world, all the people, and all the possibilities around us.

That is true. Many people believe they have known themselves when they are really far away from themselves.

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The problem is that, generally, when people speak of knowing themselves, there is this assumption that there is nothing more to know, and that what is known is unchanging.

I agree.

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posted January 15, 2009 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

The Catch

A seed of question grows
In the heart of the answering fruit;
Whatever you devour,
You make a part of you.

Every jewel is worth its weight in gold;
Every weight catches the sun;
Every wonder is a warning;
Every warning is a sign.

The greatest work is never done;
The brightest jewel is never won;
And Truth Herself is sleeping still,
While true words catch the sun.

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posted January 15, 2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obe     Edit/Delete Message
--the one who comes when he goes and goes when he comes--

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posted January 16, 2009 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
While I am writing, I am far away; and when I come back, I have already left. ~ Pablo Neruda

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mezzoelf1
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posted January 16, 2009 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mezzoelf1     Edit/Delete Message
I am more than the sum of my parts
I am not ruled, I am free
I feel the movement of the stars and sun, the moon and seas
I watch the passage of time with curiosity
I sense the deep song of the earth beneath my feet
And I know I am part of that infinite and beautiful process of creation, forever past, present and future

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Out of clutter find simplicity.

From dischord find harmony.

In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity.

- Albert Einstein

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posted January 16, 2009 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Mezz,

How is it possible for the part to be free of the whole?

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