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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 17, 2009 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

"Verily, a polluted stream is man. One must be a sea to be able to receive a polluted stream without becoming unclean.
Behold, I teach you the overman: he is this sea; in him your great contempt can go under.

"What is the greatest experience you can have? It is the hour of the great contempt.

The hour in which your happiness, too, arouses your disgust, and even your reason and your virtue.
"The hour when you say, 'What matters my happiness? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment. But my happiness ought to justify existence itself.'
"The hour when you say, 'What matters my reason? Does it crave knowledge as the lion his food? It is poverty and filth and wretched contentment.'
"The hour when you say, 'What matters my virtue? As yet it has not made me rage. How weary I am of my good and my evil! All that is poverty and filth and wretched contentment.'
"The hour when you say, 'What matters my justice? I do not see that I am flames and fuel. But the just are flames and fuel.'
"The hour when you say, 'What matters my pity? Is not pity the cross on which he is nailed who loves man? But my pity is no crucifixion.'

"Have you yet spoken thus? Have you yet cried thus? Oh, that I might have heard you cry thus!
"Not your sin but your thrift cries to heaven; your meanness even in your sin cries to heaven.
"Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue? Where is the frenzy with which you should be inoculated?
"Behold, I teach you the overman: he is this lightning, he is this frenzy."

When Zarathustra had spoken thus, one of the people cried:
"Now we have heard enough about the tightrope walker; now let us see him too!"
And all the people laughed at Zarathustra. But the tightrope walker, believing that the word concerned him, began his performance.

Zarathustra, however, beheld the people and was amazed. Then he spoke thus:
"Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman—a rope over an abyss.
A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping.
"What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end: what can be loved in man is that he is an overture and a going under.

"I love those who do not know how to live, except by going under, for they are those who cross over.
"I love the great despisers because they are the great reverers and arrows of longing for the other shore.
"I love those who do not first seek behind the stars for a reason to go under and be a sacrifice,
but who sacrifice themselves for the earth, that the earth may some day become the overman's.
"I love him who lives to know, and who wants to know so that the overman may live some day. And thus he wants to go under.
"I love him who works and invents to build a house for the overman and to prepare earth, animal and plant for him: for thus he wants to go under.
"I love him who loves his virtue, for virtue is the will to go under and an arrow of longing.
"I love him who does not hold back one drop of spirit for himself, but wants to be entirely the spirit of his virtue: thus he strides over the bridge as spirit.
"I love him who makes his virtue his addiction and his catastrophe: for his virtue's sake he wants to live on and to live no longer.
"I love him who does not want to have too many virtues. One virtue is more virtue than two, because it is more of a noose on which his catastrophe may hang.
"I love him whose soul squanders itself, who wants no thanks and returns none: for he always gives away and does not want to preserve himself.
"I love him who is abashed when the dice fall to make his fortune, and asks, 'Am I then a crooked gambler?' For he wants to perish.
"I love him who casts golden words before his deeds and always does even more than he promises: for he wants to go under.
"I love him who justifies future and redeems past generations: for he wants to perish of the present.
"I love him who chastens his god because he loves his god: for he must perish of the wrath of his god.
"I love him whose soul is deep, even in being wounded, and who can perish of a small experience: thus he goes gladly over the bridge.
"I love him whose soul is overfull so that he forgets himself, and all things are in him: thus all things spell his going under.
"I love him who has a free spirit and a free heart: thus his head is only the entrails of his heart, but his heart drives him to go under.
"I love all those who are as heavy drops, falling one by one out of the dark cloud that hangs over men: they herald the advent of lightning, and as heralds, they perish.

"Behold, I am a herald of the lightning and a heavy drop from the cloud; but this lighting is called overman."

When Zarathustra had spoken these words he beheld the people again and was silent.

"There they stand," he said to his heart; "there they laugh. They do not understand me; I am not the mouth for these ears."

~ Friedrich Nietzsche
(Sun in the 12th, trine Neptune; Jupiter in Pisces)

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posted January 17, 2009 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed that. I'd never read it before, but some of those lines sounded familliar. The most I've ever ready by him has been in quotes.

His writing is full of vigor.....doesnt seem like Piscean energy though. What was his Sun Sign? Sun in the 12th makes sense.

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posted January 17, 2009 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
I love him who lives to know, and who wants to know so that the overman may live some day. And thus he wants to go under.

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posted January 17, 2009 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You're welcome.

I'll bump some of the other threads I've posted of his stuff.

I am mistaken, though.. his Sun is in the 11th, according to Placidus.

Its in the 12th according to Whole Sign Houses, which I've recently been using.

He's got a lot of influences, though. He was VERY complex.

Maybe you are picking up on that Pluto in Aries opposite his Sun?

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posted January 17, 2009 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I think that "great contempt" is very Piscean, though.

That longing of the deepest kind, which is satisfied only by devotion to a spiritual ideal.

Also, that he is misunderstood. "Not the mouth for these ears." Very Piscean.

Not to mention the litany of "I love"'s dedicated to the most inauspicious types.

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posted January 17, 2009 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Intriguing. Thanks for pointing out and explaining the 'mouth for these ears' line and meaning. I hadnt caught that. I almost wrote that the energy behind the words felt Arien and Plutonian. The Sun/Pluto opposition comes through powerfully. For instance, in his repeating expressions about "going under". There's a tug of war going on; the Sun wanting to shine and Pluto pulling to the depths. Seems he got them to co-operate.

I'm noticing our synastry. My Sun conjunct his DC, His Mercury/Uranus conjunct my Nodal axis. His Mars conjunct my Moon. I think we wouldve been great friends.

Those are quite the oppositions he's got going on! Brilliancy.

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posted January 17, 2009 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Any time.

Yes, he was a remarkable human being.

I noticed your Sun op his Asc, too.

I think you two could have had quite a back-and-forth.

You still may.

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posted January 17, 2009 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
O my brothers, am I cruel?
But I say: what is falling, we should still push.
Everything today falls and decays: who would check it?
But I - I even want to push it.

Do you know the voluptuous delight which rolls stones into steep depths?
These human beings of today - look at them, how they roll into my depth!
I am a prelude of better players O my brothers! A precedent! Follow my precedent!

And he whom you cannot teach to fly, teach to fall faster!

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You flee from me? You are frightened? You tremble at this word?
O my brothers, when I told you to break the good, and the tablets of the good,
only then did I embark man on his high sea.
And only now does there come to him the great fright,
the great looking-around, the great sickness,
the great nausea, the great seasickness.
False coasts and false assurances the good have taught you;
in the lies of the good were you hatched and huddled.
Everything has been made fraudulent and has been twisted through and through by the good.

But he who discovered the land "man", also discovered the land "man's future".
Now you shall be sea-farers, valiant and patient.
Walk upright betimes, O my brothers; learn to walk upright.
The sea is raging; many want to right themselves with your help.
The sea is raging; everything is in the sea.
Well then, old sea dogs! What of fatherland?
Our helm steers us toward our children's land!
Out there, stormier than the sea, storms our great longing!

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Such maxims I heard pious afterworldly people speak to their consciences --
verily, without treachery or falseness,
although there is nothing falser in the whole world,
nothing more treacherous:

"Let the world go its way! Do not raise one finger against it!"

"Let him who wants to, strangle and stab and fleece and flay the people.
Do not raise one finger against it! Thus will they learn to renounce the world."

"And your own reason -- you yourself should stifle and strangle it;
for it is a reason of this world; thus will you yourself learn to renounce the world."

Break, break, O my brothers, these old tablets of the pious.
Break the maxims of those who slander the world.


~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"
(translated by Walter Kaufmann)


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Zarathustra's Speeches

9. The Preachers of Death


THERE are preachers of death: and the earth is full of those to whom desistance from life must be preached.

Full is the earth of the superfluous; marred is life by the many-too-many. May they be decoyed out of this life by the "life eternal"!

"The yellow ones": so are called the preachers of death, or "the black ones." But I will show them unto you in other colours besides.

There are the terrible ones who carry about in themselves the beast of prey, and have no choice except lusts or self-laceration. And even their lusts are self-laceration.

They have not yet become men, those terrible ones: may they preach desistance from life, and pass away themselves!

There are the spiritually consumptive ones: hardly are they born when they begin to die, and long for doctrines of lassitude and renunciation.

They would fain be dead, and we should approve of their wish! Let us beware of awakening those dead ones, and of damaging those living coffins!

They meet an invalid, or an old man, or a corpse- and immediately they say: "Life is refuted!"

But they only are refuted, and their eye, which seeth only one aspect of existence.

Shrouded in thick melancholy, and eager for the little casualties that bring death: thus do they wait, and clench their teeth.

Or else, they grasp at sweetmeats, and mock at their childishness thereby: they cling to their straw of life, and mock at their still clinging to it.

Their wisdom speaketh thus: "A fool, he who remaineth alive; but so far are we fools! And that is the foolishest thing in life!"

"Life is only suffering": so say others, and lie not. Then see to it that ye cease! See to it that the life ceaseth which is only suffering!

And let this be the teaching of your virtue: "Thou shalt slay thyself! Thou shalt steal away from thyself!"-

"Lust is sin,"- so say some who preach death- "let us go apart and beget no children!"

"Giving birth is troublesome,"- say others- "why still give birth? One beareth only the unfortunate!" And they also are preachers of death.

"Pity is necessary,"- so saith a third party. "Take what I have! Take what I am! So much less doth life bind me!"

Were they consistently pitiful, then would they make their neighbours sick of life. To be wicked- that would be their true goodness.

But they want to be rid of life; what care they if they bind others still faster with their chains and gifts!-

And ye also, to whom life is rough labour and disquiet, are ye not very tired of life? Are ye not very ripe for the sermon of death?

All ye to whom rough labour is dear, and the rapid, new, and strange- ye put up with yourselves badly; your diligence is flight, and the will to self-forgetfulness.

If ye believed more in life, then would ye devote yourselves less to the momentary. But for waiting, ye have not enough of capacity in you- nor even for idling!

Everywhere resoundeth the voices of those who preach death; and the earth is full of those to whom death hath to be preached.

Or "life eternal"; it is all the same to me- if only they pass away quickly!-

Thus spake Zarathustra.



~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"
(translated by Walter Kaufmann)

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