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Mannu
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posted January 26, 2009 02:39 PM
 
All Nature seems at work. Slugs leave their lair--
The bees are stirring--birds are on the wing--
And winter slumbering in the open air,
Wears on his smiling face a dream of Spring !
-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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Ariefairy
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posted January 27, 2009 11:21 AM
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Mannu
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posted January 27, 2009 11:46 AM
He must be in a receptive state of mind (female) hence must have used "He".Even Jesus of the Bible called the creator Father didn't he?
Oh come on. Poets expresses differently per their individuality. I also said this before, I knew a male botanist who would refer to trees as "He". I was surprised. May be he does not think of sex in his head all the time as most men do 
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Ariefairy
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posted January 27, 2009 02:46 PM
"And winter slumbering in the open air,
Wears on his smiling face a dream of Spring !"
i wonder if Winter sees Spring, as a female? in the eyes of the poet who himself , may feel as winter
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NAM
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posted January 29, 2009 09:25 AM
It seems on our language we failed to add a word that would express both male and female forces (consciousness).
And "it" would not do it because "it" is not animated.....and no she-male would not do the job either LOL Maybe if there was such a word we would not get so confused about having to choose a gender for our gods...
Just saying...
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Mannu
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posted January 29, 2009 09:53 AM
I heard that this poet would not write a line unless he really felt like it.I am sure he had given this a thought. I think the essence of that line is that when winter begins, he smiles because he sees spring coming too (as a hope). He/She is just language. May be he is correct. Because it denotes a cold/dead thing, like men of this world 
and spring must be feminine: beautiful , alive, chirpy hahaha...
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VinayM19
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posted January 29, 2009 10:35 AM
Well every line seems to interpret some thing related to nature on earth.------------------
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Mannu
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posted January 29, 2009 10:57 AM
Every line must be read with great visualization. Then you will not start reasoning. It spoils the essence of poems if you do.
For example, since its winter here, I imagined a cold winter night blah blah blah ... and then posted the poem here as I enjoyed it.
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Ariefairy
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posted January 31, 2009 05:33 PM
when you put it like that. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted January 31, 2009 06:57 PM
NAM said: quote:
It seems on our language we failed to add a word that would express both male and female forces (consciousness).
And "it" would not do it because "it" is not animated.....and no she-male would not do the job either LOL Maybe if there was such a word we would not get so confused about having to choose a gender for our gods...
Just saying...
Language is weird at times.
What you have brought up is
A VERY ANCIENT CONCEPT!The word you may be looking for is:
ANDROGYNE
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Androgyny is a term derived from the Greek words ανήρ (anér, meaning man) and γυνή (gyné, meaning woman)[1] that can refer to either of two related concepts about gender: the mixing of masculine and feminine characteristics, as in fashion statements; or the balance of "anima and animus" in psychoanalytic theory.
(for more see: ANDROGYNY This word HAS AND IS used in reference to "Gods".
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The Androgyne "The Androgyne is the visual representation of Primordial perfection; wholeness; the unconditioned state; autonomy; paradise regained; the reunion of the primordial male-female forces; the union of heaven and earth, king and queen, the two becoming ONE, the all-mother and the all- father."
For more on that see:
DIVINE ANDROGYNE
Or simple Google the terms yourself! 
PS.
FYI.....
"she male"
is often considered a slang or offensive term.
SHEMALE HERMAPHRODITE
Intersex is the preferred term now however for those who are Intersex. ------------------
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LEXX
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posted January 31, 2009 07:22 PM
Mannu said: quote:
May be he is correct. Because it denotes a cold/dead thing, like men of this world
and spring must be feminine: beautiful , alive, chirpy hahaha...
Gender stereotyping....uh huh. 
Men are all cold/dead?
Women are all feminine, beautiful, alive, chirpy?
 I feel the author meant Spring in the fertility/rebirth/renewal sense.
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Mannu
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posted January 31, 2009 09:04 PM
Good lord, its easier for the bills to pass thru congress than for a beautiful poem to pass the doors of peoples hearts.
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LEXX
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posted January 31, 2009 09:10 PM
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Good lord, its easier for the bills to pass thru congress than for a beautiful poem to pass the doors of peoples heart.
Geez Mannu...
I HAPPEN TO LIKE THAT LOVELY POEM!  I was responding to NAM's post, and your statements about: quote:
May be he is correct. Because it denotes a cold/dead thing, like men of this world
and spring must be feminine: beautiful , alive, chirpy hahaha...
Are YOU a cold/dead thing because you are a man?
Or is that how you see other men?------------------
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Mannu
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posted January 31, 2009 09:45 PM
Ok, so now I am guilty of misandry. So if I say something against women tomorrow will that make me a misogynic? I say different thing different times. Sometimes saying the glass is half empty and half full is equally right. Besides see that laughing icon next to it. It was meant to be humorous in the first place. IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted January 31, 2009 11:43 PM
Thanks Lexx , I can always count on you guys/girls to learn something new....And I wasn't trying to offend no one, just being funny....when am I going to learn that my sense of humor is a bit twisted and keep quiet?????  I don't know! IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted January 31, 2009 11:54 PM
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...And I wasn't trying to offend no one, just being funny....when am I going to learn that my sense of humor is a bit twisted and keep quiet????? I don't know!
LOL!
When I learn to understand regular humour and sarcasm better and not be so dry dead pan humoured? IP: Logged |
Ariefairy
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posted February 01, 2009 01:36 PM
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LEXX
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posted February 01, 2009 08:36 PM
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Ariefairy
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posted February 02, 2009 09:50 AM
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LEXX
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posted February 02, 2009 11:33 AM
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Ariefairy
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posted February 04, 2009 10:25 AM
lexx where do you get all those from they are fun fun fun !  IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 04, 2009 12:47 PM
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/ 
http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm  ------------------
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Ariefairy
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posted February 06, 2009 08:34 PM
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juniperb
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posted February 07, 2009 07:59 AM
perhaps it was the opium addiction expressing it`self.
(verse 2)Yet well I ken the banks where amaranths blow,
Have traced the fount whence streams of nectar flow.
Bloom, O ye amaranths! bloom for whom ye may,
For me ye bloom not! Glide, rich streams, away!
With lips unbrightened, wreathless brow, I stroll:
And would you learn the spells that drowse my soul?
Work without Hope draws nectar in a sieve,
And Hope without an object cannot live.
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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
VinayM19
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posted February 07, 2009 08:06 AM
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