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ListensToTrees
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posted January 31, 2009 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I was listening to the details of this book by an author named Richard Sylvester, on "Watkins Review" programme.....as I was curious to hear what he had to say about "non-duality". Now, according to an "enlightened" person such as Richard Sylvester, ascending this realm of duality is for one to realize that we have no "purpose" as such.

I have turned such ideas over in my mind over time, feeling perplexed and pulled from all angles within my tormented, crazy soul.

I can't be bothered to type an elaborate essay about it all as I am at the library and it is difficult to concentrate here anyway.

Suffice to say that I feel we must always question absolutely everything in order to find the truth and the view to the bigger, fuller, more wholesome picture.

I just feel that authors such as Richard (and a few others I have heard of) who speak of such ideas are merely speaking of their own philosophies, and while I feel there is somed truth in what they say, it seems to me that what they say is incomplete.


If we are all a part of some great universal mind, which in another state is One....and many teachers/ researchers have begun to show scientific evidence for this....and if there really is no purpose to life and suffering....well then- wouldn't this be the cruellest, most ironic thing ever? All the suffering we see on Earth- for nothing?

And if enlightenment....everlasting peace in another realm....is really attained once we simply realize that there is no purpose...then surely, somehow- the universal mind would have drawn creation back into this state rather than continue to let its own "divine sparks" or "children of god" (in whatever form), continue to suffer so much.


So, I say- surely-

There HAS to be more to it.


Some followers of such philosophies will simply say in reply to my thoughts that it is an attempt of my ego-mind to cling to this reality,
but isn't that a simple way to defend their own view? An easy thing to say in order to defend it.


I can't wait to get the opportunity to research more of Nassim Haramein's work....I feel there will be many cles here.

Meanwhile...aint it difficult being human?
Having a heart- being able to feel.
Having a mind- being able to think.
Being aware- of so much that is happening to all the Earth's creatuires....of which we are a part.

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praecipua
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posted January 31, 2009 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
i agree that we need to question everything. it's difficult to have certainty in the first place. what would they be based on? but also it could be dangerous because it closes us in an ego trip "i know" kind of thing, while it might be just an illusion of our ego, when our soul is in need to really learn something that it actually doesn't know.

sooooooo, i would say that being doubtful of everything is actually a good thing. it doesn't mean that we need to throw out the baby with the bath water though;

go figure...

the riddle of life

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LEXX
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posted January 31, 2009 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
LTT
Those who never suffer, never face challenges or adversity, never struggle....and so forth...
would drift through life not understanding the plight of others, not even animals, or Earth.
They would have no pressing reasons to strive, grow, change, adapt, evolve, both physically and soul wise.
Removed from all suffering...hardship...and even having to do certain things just to survive;
Humans would not feel the urge to learn, grow, or do much more than eat, sleep, breed...the basics....if living in such a world where all needs were met without them raising a hand.
I know this may seem a weird analogy, but have you seen the movie "WALL-E".
NECESSITY IS INDEED THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
And evolution's mother too.

As to questioning...YES WE MUST!
You said:

quote:
Suffice to say that I feel we must always question absolutely everything in order to find the truth and the view to the bigger, fuller, more wholesome picture.
(I assume you meant to say "whole", not "wholesome?)
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WHICH SEPARATES US FROM THE LESS EVOLVED CREATURES.

I see far too many folks running on blind faith, or buying into any new age notion, or religion(s) without discernment or question.
Ignorance may be bliss but ignorance leads in time to terrible social problems and other problems.
Where would we be without "questioners"?
Without needs and wants?
In the cave my dear, in the cave. No advancements such as electricity and so forth.


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Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.

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ListensToTrees
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posted February 09, 2009 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you both for sharing your thoughts.


I still like the word "wholesome".

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posted February 09, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
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praecipua
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posted February 11, 2009 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
email me anytime you want LTT, or need; anytime.

but allow me a max of a week to reply cause i don't have internet at home.

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Obe
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posted March 07, 2009 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obe     Edit/Delete Message
paradox is a paradox

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 07, 2009 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
There are some things we can only speculate on.
We stand a-tip-toe just to glimpse these questions.
We may not be in a position to perceive the answers.

But I'll tell you one thing. . .

Whether or not life has an intended purpose,
I still see no better way to spend it than by loving and healing oneself and others.

Camus wrote:
"[Just because life has no meaning,
does not mean you cannot give meaning to your life]."

In fact, if a meaning already existed, how could we give one?

Something to ponder, perhaps.

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posted March 10, 2009 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted March 11, 2009 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Five Basic Principles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHqLrW4TOfA&feature=related

The Meaning Of Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b98vi-Ypgdg&feature=channel_page

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katatonic
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posted March 14, 2009 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
a concept i have come across which makes sense in a synchronistic/holographic sense is that the universe (or all creation)is like a beating heart. it expands,(explodes) then contracts. as it expands and grows further from its centre, separation becomes more and more the way we perceive it. as it contracts(implodes), and we are drawn closer and closer to the centre, the recognition of our connection becomes more obvious. until we reach the absolute centre, which creates a new explosion/expansion and so on...

and so the beginning was not really a beginning, but an implosion creating an explosion and starting the whole thing OVER AGAIN. world without end...

as for purpose, i think we on some level decide that for ourselves...but for me the jury is out until its over...whenever that is!!

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Quinnie
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posted March 14, 2009 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting ideas LTT. I agree with......
"while I feel there is somed truth in what they say, it seems to me that what they say is incomplete".... Those authors may just have found a truth within a truth. Okay so maybe we need to get to a point where we have no purpose, but the purpose of that then may be to re-exerience life as a beautiful intense experience to rebalance oour previous sufferings andheal fully.
All htis expansion and contraction... Within an age are we just a breath from inside a bigger being.... No you just can't sum it up like some authors attempt to. Theimportant thing is that they are adding a perspective and a perspective that challenges oue current perspective can only be good since so much growth will come from it....
and HSC I like that quote,
""[Just because life has no meaning,
does not mean you cannot give meaning to your life].""
I might just use it some time.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 15, 2009 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
katatonic,

Interesting theory...

It reminds me of Schopenhauer's comparison of people in society to a collection of porcupines huddled together in a blizzard. They huddle closer together because of the cold (or the loneliness), and then, when they get too close, they begin to prick each other with their quills, so they move apart. They move back and forth, trying to keep warm, without pricking themselves. Perhaps this corresponds to a similar principle in the universe, like the one you are suggesting. Maybe all the particles in the universe seek freedom... and maybe, starved and lonely, they seek one another again... only to be repulsed, and to rediscover themselves, seeking their independence once more. And isnt this like the heart you speak of? What is the heartbeat of the universe, but the desire to unite and to unify, in one moment, and the desire to discriminate and specify, the next; to contract into an enlightened, single field theory of everything, or to expand into an eternal exploration of infinity; to draw all sentient beings into itself like a vacuum of compassion, or to radiate its own particular truth outward like the light of the sun.

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ListensToTrees
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posted March 16, 2009 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
You speak regarding the 3rd dimension.

I'm interested in finding out how all the others work.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 16, 2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"As Above, So Below."

That which is unseen is revealed according to that which is seen.

Have you so deeply understood the world, that you seek for what is behind it?

Physicists, whose job it is to study the intricacies of the material world as deeply as possible
(at least, without recourse to spiritual techniques), are already positing the existence of a 10th dimension.

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
~ john 14:9

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posted March 16, 2009 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Then it is just a continuous cycle of death and rebirth? I wonder if there are maggots in heaven?

If it's just an endless cycle of joy and pain....then I hope I die soon! And go back to zero point....and stay there!

Got P.M.T

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posted March 16, 2009 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, after posting what I did...I somehow knew you were going to mention that!

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 17, 2009 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
there are maggots...

but you'll think they're cute.

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posted March 17, 2009 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Heehee

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Quinnie
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posted March 24, 2009 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Kat... The beginning WAS the ending?

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