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katatonic
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posted July 21, 2009 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
found this on one of the sites bibi linked here and wonder what people think about this whole question...as someone close to a child in school, whose immune system is already compromised (his doctors think over-vaccination might be the cause!) i wonder how one goes about "non-compliance"? without being put in jail or quarantine?
http://groups.google.com/group/2012predictions/browse_thread/thread/358137549c1e6ba1

Not to cause fear, just to be aware.
Some of you might be familiar with David Icke, he is very well known.
Just part of the story of what is leading up to 2012.


Other sources say that because of all the energies that are flowing onto the earth during these three eclipses (big one today), there will not be any vacinations since the truth is being brought forth in the next few days.
Interesting time on earth!!
blessings to all,
suzen
(there is a link to recorded interview with Jane Burgermeister by Camelot if you are interested in hearing more about the vaccines)


This came from David Icke in an email entitled 'It's Not the Flu.'


Hello all ...


These are challenging times and we need to stay calm and think things through - not just panic and react. Fear, panic and emotional reaction got us into this mess and it is certainly not going to get us out of it.


We also need to realise - here, now - that we have long crossed the line into a fully-fledged fascist dictatorship. It has hidden itself to most people this far, but it is about to lift the veil.


It is no longer an option to do nothing or passively acquiesce to authority out of fear or apathy. Or, at least, it's not if we care about our freedoms and, most importantly, those of our children and grandchildren who will have to live almost their entire lives under a global jackboot of sheer, undiluted evil.


The word 'evil' is much overused and I don't say it lightly; but we are dealing with evil in the sense that the word is the reverse of 'live'. Those behind the conspiracy to turn humans into little more than computer terminals are anti-life. They have no respect for it and no empathy with those who suffer the consequences of their actions, no matter how appalling.


I have been warning of what was coming for nearly 20 years and it is not 'coming' any more - it's here. No more excuses from anyone, please. We have to deal with it. We have to draw a line in the sand and say no more.


Never was this more important than with the conspiracy to force swine flu vaccination on the global population. The swine flu virus was created in a laboratory to generate mass panic with the specific intention of forcing everyone to have the vaccine. Problem-Reaction-Solution.


If you concoct and release a virus and then implement a clearly long-planned mass vaccination programme, there can be only one sensible conclusion: swine flu is not the biggest danger here. It's the vaccine.


The scale and speed of the planned vaccination programme is insane given that the overwhelming majority of those who have contracted the virus have had very mild symptoms. Dr Peter Holden of the Rothschild-controlled British Medical Association said that although swine flu was not causing serious illness they were eager to start a mass vaccination campaign, beginning with 'priority groups'. Ugh?? This is not about public health and never was.


Those administering the vaccinations have no clue what is in them or their potential effect. They are just repeaters thinking what they are told to think and doing what they are told to do. Only those at the core of the conspiracy, and those who bother to research it, know what the game is.


The Austrian journalist, Jane Bürgermeister, has filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations, Barack Obama, a Rockefeller, a Rothschild, and others, over a plot she uncovered to cull the population with a deadly swine flu vaccine.


She said that bird flu and swine flu have been developed in laboratories and released on the public with the aim of mass murder through vaccination. Her filed document is called Bioterrorism Evidence. She writes here about the United States, but what she says applies everywhere:


'There is evidence that an international corporate criminal syndicate, which has annexed high government office at Federal and State level, is intent on carrying out a mass genocide against the people of the United States by using an artificial (genetic) flu pandemic virus and forced vaccine program to cause mass death and injury and depopulate America in order to transfer control of the United States to the United Nations and affiliated security forces (UN troops from countries such as China, Canada, the UK and Mexico).


There is proof many organisations - World Health Organisation, UN as well as vaccine companies such as Baxter and Novartis - are part of a single system under the control of a core criminal group, who give the strategic leadership, and who have also funded the development, manufacturing and release of artificial viruses in order to justify mass vaccinations with a bioweapon substance in order to eliminate the people of the USA, and so gain control of the assets, resources etc of North America.


The motivation for the crime is classical robbery followed by murder although the scale and method are new in history. The core group sets its strategic goals and operative priorities in secret using committees such as the Trilateral Commission, and in person to person contact in the annual Bilderberg meeting..'


Jane Bürgermeister is a rare real journalist, so much so that she was sacked from her job as European correspondent of the Renewable Energy World website after she filed the charges with the FBI. Renewable Energy? It is their backbone and sense of decency that need renewing, but it shows how controlled everything is.


What Bürgermeister describes in her FBI submission is a summary of what I have been trying to get across in my books and talks for nearly two decades. A cabal of interbreeding families is seeking to impose a global fascist dictatorship of total human control.


Their vehicle is a secret society network structured like a transnational corporation. The operational headquarters is in Europe, in places like Rome, London, Paris, Brussels and Berlin. I refer to this as 'the Spider' and it dictates to the global web.


There are subsidiary networks of secret societies in every country that answer to the 'Spider'. Their job is to control their country's politics, banking, business, military, media, medicine, and so on, and introduce in their sphere of influence the global agenda dictated by the 'Spider'. Those on the inner levels of this structure are often collectively known as the 'Illuminati'.


This is how they coordinate between apparently unconnected governments, corporations, media groups etc. The Rothschild and Rockefeller dynasties (the same bloodline) are fundamentally involved in this, as I have long exposed, and they dominate pharmaceutical medicine and government 'health' policy worldwide.


The web controls governments, the pharmaceutical industry, or 'Big Pharma', the World Health Organisation and public heath 'protection' agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United States.


It was the Illuminati cabal that established global bodies like the World Heath Organisation, World Bank and World Trade Organisation to transfer power from the many to the few. Their goal is a world government, world central bank, world currency and world army..


You have to centralise power to impose a global dictatorship. Diversity is your worst nightmare. The Illuminati network is behind 'globalisation' and the creation of superstate dictatorships like the European Union for this same reason.


Given this essential background, it was no surprise when I saw the list of names and organisations in Jane Bürgermeister's submission to the FBI:


'Specifically, evidence is presented that Defendants President Barack Obama, President of the United States, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of World Health Organisation, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Secretary Janet Napolitano, the Department of Homeland Security, David de Rothschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate crime syndicate which has, marching as one phalanx to carry out their plan of genocide, have developed, produced, stockpiled and used biological weapons to eliminate the population of the United States for financial and political gain.'


Bürgermeister says there is clear evidence that pharmaceutical companies and international government agencies are actively engaged in producing, developing, manufacturing and distributing biological agents classified as the most deadly bioweapons on earth.


She says the swine flu virus was created and released with help from the Rothschild/Rockefeller-controlled World Health Organisation - the very body which then said that it was spreading so fast a pandemic had to be declared.


The symptoms of 'swine flu' are the same as regular flu and the common cold and it is easy to call everything 'swine flu' to increase the official numbers. The British government has announced that people should no longer see a doctor if they have flu symptoms and instead a system of diagnosis over the phone has been introduced without laboratory confirmation. How convenient for fixing the figures:


'Hello, I've got a cold, doc.'


'I think its swine flu, I'll tick you off.'


Jane Bürgermeister has filed bioterrorism charges against Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, based in Austria; Baxter AG, also in Austria; and its parent company, Baxter International in Deerfield, Illinois. Guess who is providing much of the swine flu vaccine for mass inoculation - Baxter International.


This is the same Baxter International that sent bird flu virus to European laboratories 'by mistake' earlier this year and it was mixed with a seasonal flu virus to create a much more dangerous strain.


Last year at least 81 people were killed by Baxter International's contaminated blood-thinning product, heparin, which was made in China from, among other things, pig intestines. Isn't pharmaceutical medicine wonderful? The contaminated heparin also seriously injured hundreds of people and it was revealed that the factory of Baxter's Chinese supplier had never been inspected by either American or Chinese public 'protection' agencies.


More than 50 dialysis patients died in 2001 because of faults with Baxter International equipment, and this month Baxter Healthcare Corporation, a subsidiary of Baxter International, reached an out-of-court settlement of two million dollars with the State of Kentucky. Baxter had been caught inflating the cost of intravenous drugs sold to Kentucky Medicaid by as much as 1,300 per cent.


This is clearly a company you can trust and it is now is a major source of the swine flu vaccine that governments across the world want to impose upon entire populations with the most minimal safety checks.. The vaccine is being fast-tracked through the regulatory system with safety trials lasting less than a week. The London Times reported:


'Regulators at the European Medicines Agency said the fast-tracked procedure has involved clinical trials of a "mock-up" vaccine similar to the one that will be used for the biggest mass vaccination programme in generations. It will be introduced into the general population while regulators continue to carry out simultaneous clinical trials.'


My emphasis.


There is no need for 'trials' at all, except for public consumption. They already know what is in it and its effect. Baxter said it will be shipping swine flu vaccine worldwide by the end of July and the potential profits are enormous.


I am not saying that people will die in large numbers immediately. This would hardly encourage others to continue to be inoculated. The effects may be immediate in some, probably longer-term in most, to hide the true source of their problem.


What we do know is that we are seeing a long-prepared plan for mass vaccination by people who could not care less about the health of the population. That says everything about the real motivation, but only they know what the effect is designed to be.


Jane Bürgermeister's evidence has been supported by Wayne Madsen, a former US Naval Intelligence officer and now an investigative journalist. He said that a top United Nations scientist concluded that the H1N1 swine flu virus has certain transmission 'vectors' that suggest the new flu strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon. The UN expert believed that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 swine flu virus are all biological warfare agents. Madsen writes:


'Past swine flu outbreaks have been spread from pigs to humans, who then passed the flu on to other humans. However, with A-H1N1, there have been no reported infections of pigs. In fact, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), A-H1N1 has gene segments from North American swine, bird and human flu strains and a segment from Eurasian swine flu.'


The Illuminati plan for the world includes a mass cull of the population and the microchipping of every man, woman and child. Microchips would allow everyone to be tracked 24/7, but it goes much further than that.


Computer technology communicating with the chips is planned to manipulate people mentally, emotionally and physically. They could do this en masse or individually through a chip's unique transmitter-receiver signal. Killing someone from a distance would be a synch.


I mention this because, as readers of my books will know, a CIA scientist told me in 1997 that microchips developed in the secret government-military research projects were already small enough to be injected by hypodermic needles in vaccination programmes. With nanotechnology, no-one would know.


The fake swine flu scare of 1976 was a trial-run for what is happening now. These events are planned way in advance and these sick people are extremely thorough in their preparations.


The scare began with the death of an Army recruit at Fort Dix in New Jersey which the government said was caused by 'swine flu'. The recruit was the only death from the virus in 1976, but the government instigated a vaccination programme for all Americans supported by a campaign of outrageous propaganda based, as always, on terrifying people. Click here for an example.


The result was that at least 25 people were killed by the vaccine and hundreds seriously harmed while the Fort Dix recruit was the only death from swine flu - even if the government was telling the truth about the diagnosis. We are now heading for a re-run on a vastly bigger scale.


The British and American governments have ordered enough swine flu vaccine for the entire population and other countries are following suit. Of course, they are; the 'Spider' has demanded it.


It is clear they intend to make vaccination compulsory and threaten parents with losing their children if they refuse to submit to this fascism. Even before that, the pressure on parents to submit to the dictates of the state are going to be considerably increased.


The Rockefeller-dominated Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the United States have said that children who have never had a flu 'shot' may need to be vaccinated four times in the Autumn - twice for seasonal flu and twice for swine flu. Making up for lost time, eh?


The Rothschild-Rockfeller front-man, Barack Obama, has demanded that his 'health reform' bill is passed into law by August, just ahead of mass vaccination. The bill was approved this week by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee and it includes the targeting of parents who do not have their children vaccinated. It authorises the Orwellian 'demonstration program to improve immunization coverage'. The bill says:


'Under this program, CDC will provide grants to states to improve immunization coverage of children, adolescents, and adults through the use of evidence-based interventions. States may use funds to implement interventions that are recommended by the Community Preventive Services Task Force, such as reminders or recalls for patients or providers, or home visits.'


'Interventions'? Home visits? It is one step away from immunising your children by force or having you arrested for refusing to comply. World Health Organisation 'recommendations' are binding on its nearly 200 member countries when a pandemic emergency is declared under the International Health Regulations Act of 2005 and WHO pandemic plan of April this year.


Margaret Chan, the WHO Director General, declared a swine flu pandemic when there wasn't one so these emergency powers would be activated and this lackey of the Rothschild-Rockefeller cabal is going to be recommending compulsory vaccination. The WHO advisory board on vaccination policy includes executives from ... Baxter, Novartis, GSK and Sanofi Pasteur.


This week Margaret 'Be Afraid' Chan warned that a global pandemic of drug-resistant tuberculosis may be imminent with potentially 'catastrophic consequences'. She prattled on ...


'The situation is already alarming, and poised to grow much worse very quickly. This is a situation set to spiral out of control. Call it what you may: a time bomb or a powder keg. Any way you look at it, this is a potentially explosive situation.'


Oh, get a life woman. When will TB 'explode'? As soon as they've circulated it sufficiently, I guess.


What is happening now has been planned for a very long time. Builders have been at work for months in a highly-secretive operation at a council building called Westridge, just down the road from me on the Isle of Wight.


The builders themselves have become very suspicious as one group is given plans for one section of the work and then a totally new group is brought in for the next, and so on. No single group sees the whole picture and now people in unmarked white vans are turning up to complete the job.


I had a look through a window near a fire escape after everyone had left and it is clearly an emergency response centre of some kind. The builders were told they had to finish their work by mid-July without fail and, apparently, something similar is happening all over the country..


If you listen carefully, the dark suits tell you what is going to happen. As I said in a recent newsletter, I kept hearing the mantra from different agencies and countries about the dangers of a massive increase in swine flu in the autumn and that is now their target for mass vaccination to really get moving.


Now I am hearing that the strength of the virus could increase in the same period and it could well be that they are planning to increase the numbers who die from swine flu to generate more panic and demands to be vaccinated.


We should not forget, however, that 'normal flu' kills hundreds of thousands of people a year worldwide. Have no doubt that large numbers of those people will now be officially designated as a death from swine flu, whether they are or not.


It was always going to come to this and aware people need to be strong and come together in collective non-compliance.


These crazies want access to our bodies and those of our children for a reason that is nothing whatsoever to do with health.


Most people will line up with their children like good little sheep. They will accept the blatant lies without question and the authorities will use those people to target others who refuse. You will hear nonsense like 'You are putting my children at risk'.


In fact, it is the programmed people who stand in line who are putting all children at risk. The authorities will claim that those who decline are preventing 'herd immunity' when all they have done is withdraw from the herd mentality.
This is a time for like-minded people to come together in mutual support and to prepare a strategy of peaceful non-compliance. There is far more strength in numbers than doing this alone.


We must not succumb to compulsory vaccination, nor pressure from those who lack a mind of their own. If we concede our freedom to stop the state enforcing vaccination upon us and our children, what the hell freedom is left? "

how does one say no to COMPULSORY vaccinations? is there a group regarding "collective noncompliance?"

also - is any of this real? or just another scare like with anthrax, avian flu, etc, etc, etc...........??
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posted July 21, 2009 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
the skeptic in me asks:

how is it that david icke is allowed to just walk up and peek into the windows of a "top secret" construction?

WHY if he believes "what you fight you become", does he spread this "information"?

i have tended to believe that he means well. but i have been confused by the impact of his info for years. and knowing his history with the authorities i have to admit i wonder how big an "ax" he is grinding...

i can't help but agree with alex jones that icke tends to discredit himself with his own statements. does he have an agenda?

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posted July 21, 2009 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i sure don't know kat, it is scary reading that is for sure.


how would someone validate the names on the CDC?

pretty freaky stuff.

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posted July 21, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
one thing he says that is off is that the health reform bill has been passed? which it has not. or am i reading it wrong?

another thing is that if this is about financial gain MORE people, not less, is what would be wanted. more people=more customers....

why would you put out all this information and then not offer contact info for people who might be forming defiance groups?

half of it just doesn't add up...

i don't know whether to panic or laugh it off...

so for lack of any coherent information as to possible action, i am going for this all dissolving into one big hoax or non-event. after all we had similar scares about anthrax vaccine, avian flu vaccine, and the "compulsion" never materialized.

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posted July 21, 2009 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
well i can't awswer those tough questions kat, but i know i have no intentions on being vaccinated.

as with most ahead of thier time geniouses (using the term loosely) there is valid stuff amongst stuff to discard.

sometimes when people write like he does, some fact, some intuition, some nonsense, but it all comes together much later in years.

in fact, linda writings are much the same, in star signs, there is some stuff i discard as it doesn't resonate with me, some of it is pure inspirational genious, and some of it is researched fact.

like anything else, i guess, take what resoantes, contemplate what doesn't and carry on living.

are you feeling like you need to take part in some kind of political movement?

i find it so hard to jump on anyones bandwagon. that just takes real commitment and dedication, and there is always going to be just one thing that doesn't set right with me enough to jump on the wagon. pretty much any wagon.

stuff to ponder.

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posted July 21, 2009 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i get you and i belong to no parties or movements for that reason. however if we are talking having your kid taken from you if you refuse, what can one person do?

at the same time i don't want to get all het up about some fantasy orwell script! in general i do just what you said earlier, discard what doesn't resonate and get on with my life. but this stuff keeps coming at me.

frank zappa wrote a great song in the 60s called "it can't happen here" - do you remember it? i had relatives who lived through the nazi thing (and some who didn't make it) and not one of them thought "it" would happen in their home town.

while i am perfectly willing and able and used to taking life as it comes and being ready to face whatever WHEN it comes instead of worrying about it, for some reason the fact that they might mess with my grandson or put my daughter away is a lot harder to deal with.

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posted July 21, 2009 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
Cpn and katatonic, i felt like hearing to wise ladies talking in front of the house, how i would imagine a typical US style house. Can i interrupt?

I felt like throwing up reading this. Ughh! Im thinking of my niece.

Creating or joining groups that do not comply could have an impact. The more, the better.

If you hear people forming groups, just join them. This cant hurt, surely!

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posted July 21, 2009 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i have seen and heard NOTHING in regards to any groups forming to stand up to this...

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posted July 21, 2009 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Kat
I have to say I'm feeling along the same lines as yourself when it comes to David Icke, I listen without prejudice but remain heathily skeptical.

I am just so afraid of vaccinations full-stop, any!

I have to admit that I did allow my children to be given their first MMR etc. vaccinations before I had truly read up on why they might not be such a good thing but I have now vowed to not give them any other vaccinations for as long as I have a choice in the matter.

There is alot of evidence for and against vaccinations but when it comes to giving multiple vaccination at one time that's when I freak out! Not enough research done to know how these potential viruses could mutate in the human body.

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posted July 21, 2009 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
my grandson's immune system has been his only health problem for 2 years now. he has hardly been sick but his platelets were at one point almost nonexistent because apparently his immune system got confused by the booster cocktail he was given at 4...a situation where he could hemorrhage spontaneously and dangerously...he is now coming up to 7 and though much better we still don't know if he is completely recovered.

i refused the MMR for my daughter, it just seemed like they were pushing more and more vaccines for things all my peers lived through and were stronger as a result...they gave me a song and dance especially about the rubella, that she might develop problems when pregnant (she was about 5 at the time i recall!). i promised them i would think about it when she started her period! lo and behold, she picked up the antibodies somewhere well before she ever got pregnant. i just don't think it's right somehow to try to prevent anyone EVER getting sick! it's part of what makes our immune system stronger!

"live" vaccines - and that includes flu vaccines - are apparently the least "safe".

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