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Stargazer
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posted October 19, 2009 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
It is said amongst us and by those close to us that my father's mother's side is cursed.
A long line of dying young. Horrible accidents of all types taking lives.

Is there some commonality other than the family name; the bloodline? Is there a way to define it? Is there a way to change it?
I often wonder if just believing in it makes it real.

Does Astrology point to something? What would you look for? 8th house?

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koiflower
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posted October 19, 2009 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
A left field reply....

Is there a history of poor eye sight? Poor co-ordination? Slow reactions times? Would an inability to absorb certain vitamins or minerals that affect the nervous system be possible? That is, a possible inability to absorb magnesium properly.

Are you willing to share more details for better analysis?

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Stargazer
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posted October 20, 2009 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
Sure..

These deaths were not due to poor health in any way.
They include:

*Lost at sea age 22
*Drowned saving someone else age 16
*Hit by a bus age 37
*Killed on the Value Jet Crash in the *Everglades in 96' 2 family memebers ages 45 *and 46
* Car crash age 24
* Hit by a train on foot age 14 (only chart I have)

This is since the mid- 70's. All cousins 1st or 2nd, two uncles and my brother (the last one listed)

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koiflower
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posted October 21, 2009 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks stargazer for your trust. When I saw your details I felt sad and reminded me that I may not be able to make any further comments. I thought I could have a discussion with you, but my instinct is telling me that it could be inappropriate to discuss your family that have passed over.

It's tragic that these accidents have happened. That is by no means, an indication of what your life and others around you, will experience. There are patterns in Life that appear on a short time scale, but is only a part of a larger pattern in the totality of your family lineage.

I think honouring their memory will be a beautiful way to remember these important people. Maybe do something special on their birthdays. Loving family that have passed over, will strengthen your blood ties and give a sense of belonging.

I'm sorry stargazer, that this is all I can come up with. I really thought I could take part in a discussion here, but I realised as soon as I saw your family's details that I could not.

Love to you

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SilverStone
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posted October 21, 2009 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverStone     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, Stargazer...
I need more back story to tell you what is going on. Ask your mother for more back story, as to what she believes... how she thinks it all started

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pire
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posted October 21, 2009 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
how old are u?

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Stargazer
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posted October 21, 2009 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your replies.

Back story~ Well what I know is that it is my paternal grandmother's family. Her brothers and sisters and their families.
I am of Macedonian decent and am second generation born in the states. I know that there have been tragedies before the ones I've mentioned but I am not sure on the details.
It is one of those hushed things we never talk about. Its whispers only. No one seems to be really surprised when something bad happens.
My fear is of the future. My children and the inability to protect them. My thoughts are.. Is there something to learn from the past or is it just fate and bad luck.

Is there something in my brother's chart or the chart of what was where on the day he died? Maybe or maybe not.

Edit to add:
There is no pattern as to time between each accident. The only thing that stands out is that most of the deaths have occured in my grandmother's oldest brother's family. More than any other.

What other back story information would help?

I am 42

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Stargazer
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posted October 21, 2009 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
koiflower...

Thank you for your response. I agree that it may be inappropriate to discuss them.
I never have in this manner. Again, no one talks about it. Maybe that is in and of itself part of the problem. I felt compelled to post this. At the risk of any sort of disrespect.
I have a packed 8th house myself and am the investigative sort.
My hope is to one day be at peace with the loss.


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koiflower
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posted October 21, 2009 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
This is a great place to talk about it, Stargazer!! And please do, as there will be some amazing insights by Knowflakes.

That response was purely 'me'. I seem to have an issue when I start talking about people who have passed over - the word that comes to mind is 'tapu' - which is the Maori word for sacred. I think there is something in my genes that prevents me from discussing a person that is deceased.

I could just reflect on my original comment for the moment, about poor eye-sight, poor hearing or co-ordination issues - but then that doesn't cover the entire issue for you.....

Come on, Knowflakes!!! Your expertise in the 8th house is required!!!

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SilverStone
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posted October 21, 2009 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverStone     Edit/Delete Message
Stargazer... your actions for starting the thread means that it is time for you to investigate. Everything happens for a reason~ Listen to your inner self above all.

It could be that someone in your paternal Grandmother's side of the family did something very evil, and the family is suffering for it. Especially if it came from the "mother" or the "father." To give you an idea of what I am saying is... take a look at the Kennedy's and their tragedies. Either that or someone very powerful in Magic cast a curse on the family. It could also be their Karma... but a lot is at stake here. What do you think is going on? Do not give this any negative energy, simply know that this can very much be a possibility.

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pire
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posted October 22, 2009 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
i don't think there is anything like curse. this is superstition. i believe in many things, i can't list them all, so i'm very open minded to this sort of issues but i also KNOW that family curse are no more than superstition. they used to be a way to explain the unusual in the past, i mean in a time when people couldn't make sense of most phenomenon, or at least common people who were not educated because those who were knew very well that things like curse didn't exist.

there is many reasons why we are born to the environment that is ours. valus started a thread about it in lindaland central 2.0, it's worth checking it. but in your original post, i noticed 2 things.

1-people say...

2-curse

i've told you what i think of "curse"

need i say what i think of "people say"?

i asked you how old you were because if you had been young, i would not have told you the same thing as if you are 42.

that is a good thing that you consider your family background, there is much that you can learn from it. socrates is famous to have said "know yourself", you can add it "know your origins". however, the 2 are distinct. whatever someone did in the past, like a family member is his karma, not yours. also, we wouold have to go very deep into spirituality to understand the meaning of accidents and so called tragedies. personally, i fear physical traumas of any kind. when i see blood, i'm terrified and i feel other people's physical pâin very very easily. i believe that i died tragically in the past, and probably many times, but this also taught me (the hard way) a lot of wisdom. not only the kind of wisdom like attach your seat belt (altough i'm strict on this kind of safety) but also in a deeper sqense, and about the meaning of life. all i can tell you is that you shouldn't fear curse or superstition. you should use it to learn. for example, learn about detaching yourself from superstition, that would be a very good thing, learn to trust that the universe is good, and in what ways, learn to be receptive to its teachings and to be open about events without labeling them according to "people saying".

don't share your fear with your kids, that is not a very pricy gift, instead share your wisdom, what you got from it.

shamans say don't engage a fight with fear, make it your friend. it means in your case, listen to it, acknowledge it, (that is already a big step) then see how much you grow from doing this, and respect the fear you once had as a warning, a signal that life, universe, yourself, was sending to you. it is a gift. it will empower you.

also, you say you come from macedonia, do you know about your origins? about this place? have you traveled there? may be it is not about you going to live there but just going there for holidays, alone or in company, once or many times, as you decide, so you reconnect with a part of yourself that may have been hidden from you. so you can be in peace with who you are.

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pire
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posted October 22, 2009 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
also you say nobody's surprised when something bad happen, this could simply be because people from your family are more or less learning, or some have learnt about wisdom about life, at different levels, and sharing about this is difficult because it sends them back to their own fears of that they haven't totally dealt with. it's like if some understood, this part, other this one, and other this other part azbout wisdom, and they all prefer to keep quiet instead of upsetting other memeber of the family, which can be a good thing, a sort of compassion, or a way to hide their own fear and boost their ago vis a vis others, who knows, but it should not frighten you. that is why you should not listen what people say, even me

ps: 8th aqua sun here

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pire
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posted October 25, 2009 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
stargazer, any feedback?

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pire
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posted October 25, 2009 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
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Stargazer
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posted October 25, 2009 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
Hey.. sorry for the delay.. life has been crazy... and I've been thinking and feeling.

I do relate with the Kennedy's, whatever it is.. they have it, too, for sure.

And I guess that "is" the question.. why?
Magic spells? Evil? maybe...
I think its more about acceptance; that for some the row is harder to hoe.
That for some the losses are more.
I have survived it.. and it has made me strong.
I don't share it with my children.. they know how their Uncle died.. but not anything else.
I am overprotective and worry about them but it's not debilitating. I worry just as any mother does.

I can't help but look to my own chart for answers.. its clear that Pluto, Uranus and Karma conj. in the 8th late and Sun, Merc Venus conj early 8th has to mean that losses are likely.. but yet so is the strength to ride it out.. Peace might be possible by being grateful for what I do have... all the good things I have. By living my life to the fullest...

The more sorrow carves into our being, the more joy we can contain.

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iQ
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posted October 26, 2009 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Stargazer,
In traditional India, we get to hear a lot about the family curses. It is said to last for 7 Generations.

Different types of curses are said to exist.
In one family, every male is penurious and every female is prosperous. This has been so for 4 generations. When a not so well off female marries an unsuccessful guy, the groom hits a jackpot very soon. It is quite miraculous.

A more sinister curse seems to be on a family where a Lawyer hid a known murderer in his house. The Court declared him missing, the case faltered. The victm's dying widow is said to have cursed just before dying. The Lawyer's family from then on suffered untold miseries, suffering to this day in the 3rd generation.

Some wierd incidents exist where there seems to be an escape from a curse if a condition is fulfilled. One such family I know always has proseprity if they stay in a rented house. The moment any family members owns the property, misfortune strikes.

I know of a way to free yourself, IF there is really a hex/curse placed on an ancestor.
This is a sophisticated way of traditional Chinese/Indian customs of ancstor appeasement and prayer for forgivness of ancestors.

See, you carry the DNA of your Ancestors and this DNA will percolate to your descendants.
Hence this technique will work using the genetic frequencies.

After a relaxing meditation or deep breathing session, You must visualize in your Pinel Gland or Brain's Centre an Altar of Gold, and all Ancestors upto 7 Generations. Visualize a beam of pale pink, representing unconditional love flowing from your Pineal Gland and your Heart into all of them.
Pray for their unconditional forgiveness.
Next, send beams of Violet Light, as protection for them.
Next, visualize all of them leaving the altar in a Violet Beam, flowing into a Bright Golden Orb. Imagine smiles on all their faces.
Next, imagine 7 Generations of Descendants.
Repeat the same but pray thatb they be loved and protected and forgive in advance for any negativity.

Do this visualization whenever you feel stressed or concerned. You may get clues from dreams that your efforts are working. You may see an ancestor send you flowers or you may see them in a Church or see them looking youthful and well dressed.

Additionally, on your ancestor's behalf donate to an orgnization that alleviates pain in Terminally Ill Patients. Or an organization wokring for kids disabled thru land mines etc.
Such noble charity sets up curse countering waves and will protect your kids.

Last but not the least, ensure that yours or your children's names do not add to 4 or 8.

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posted October 26, 2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
"The more sorrow carves into our being, the more joy we can contain."

that's beautiful, thanks for that.

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Stargazer
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posted October 27, 2009 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
pire~
That quote is by Kahill Gibran..another from him that I adore..
"Faith is an oasis in the heart which will never be reached by the caravan of thinking"

iQ~

Thanks for your reply.
7 generations is a very long time. Is there anything i can read about the meditation process? I'm kinda in kindergarten when it comes to what you posted. My instinct is to explore it..
As far as the children, how do you calculate what # they are?

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iQ
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posted October 28, 2009 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Stargazer,
I will have to walk you through the meditation and visualizations because no book has this particular one, it is my own invention using plenty of other material.

Visualization is very easy. You just have to relax and imagine safe, protective colours around you and through you.

For the children's names, just post it here, I will calculate. You can scramble the names to maintain privacy. There are 2-3 rough transits to beware of as well.
Mars sq Uranus, Saturn sq Sun or Venus and Uranus sq Sun or Mars. Children fall sick or get hurt in these transits.


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posted October 28, 2009 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
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pire~
That quote is by Kahill Gibran..another from him that I adore..
"Faith is an oasis in the heart which will never be reached by the caravan of thinking"

i've felt a bit like in the desert recently.
thanks

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Stargazer
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posted October 28, 2009 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message
pire~ the desert can be quite beautiful
I'm right there with ya.. I overthink everything.

iQ~
I believe the methods you have created shall require some practice on my part.
I will work on visualization. If you don't mind coming back to this from time to time?

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iQ
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posted October 29, 2009 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
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iQ~
I believe the methods you have created shall require some practice on my part.
I will work on visualization. If you don't mind coming back to this from time to time?
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Thats cool Stargazer!

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The children..
rasa kncileo rcar
hcirtsani mjsea rcar
Hope thats what you meant.
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Yup, but I could easily unscramble that
You could remove the names tmrw.

Child 1
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Name Number = 7 + 26 + 8 = 7 + 8 + 8 = 23, very lucky number. The number of HORUS and LOGOS and MERCURY.

Child 2
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25 + 14 + 8 = 7 + 5 + 8 = 20.
This is not unlucky but adding a letter and making it 21 is advisable. 21 gets the boy into Jupiter Frequency of 3, which we know is very fortunate. This is a must if he is born on a 4 or 8 numbered day. If born on a 2 or 11 numbered day, then the same spelling itself is just as fortunate.

Notice that both kids have the same first name number of 7. That adds a vibe of spirituality and mysticism to their personality. If not now, they will exhibit that after adulthood.

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