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Topic: Can you Sacrifice Yourself
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Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
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posted February 16, 2010 09:44 PM
  
in certain ways to help clear other peoples karma or humanities karma in general? Is there a way for me to erase an individuals negative karma with a relationship that is causing them harm in their life?IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted February 16, 2010 09:52 PM
No.
Experience is their teacher, and their tresspasses are of their own doing.
They must each personally take steps to negate their soul debts.
It is not your problem, nor the responsibility of the many mythic saviors of humankind.
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Sanchenuss
Knowflake Posts: 514
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posted February 17, 2010 01:52 AM
Did Jesus pay karmic debt for others?IP: Logged |
sesame
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From: Oz
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2010 07:29 AM
I think there are two possible ways to help though - one is to ask you highe self if they could assist this other persons higher self in finding an easier way (this way you are not directly responsible), and two, you could ask your higher self if they could ask the other person's higher self for some of their
"negative" karma, but tread carefully here. You don't know what sort of mess you may step in.Heaps of Love,
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how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted February 17, 2010 08:57 AM
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Did Jesus pay karmic debt for others?
I had a feeling you or someone was going to play the religious messianic hand.
In my opinion that is myth and not rational.
However believe that if you desire.
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listenstotrees
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From: Rivendell
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2010 11:07 AM
"Love has the power to overcome all odds....it can even eliminate karma".~Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted February 17, 2010 12:44 PM
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"Love has the power to overcome all odds....it can even eliminate karma".~Linda Goodman
I agree...but only one's own personal Karma directly.
One can "help" others change their ways, ie; get off the Karmic Payback Wheel;
but cannot directly eliminate the debts of others.
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katatonic
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posted February 17, 2010 12:57 PM
i think it is a common misunderstanding, perpetrated by the Church, that jesus death washed away our bad karma...jesus death was a vehicle for his resurrection to take place so we could all see that death is illusory. it had nothing to do with sacrifice. how can the death of an immortal be a sacrifice? it cannot even BE in real terms! and while we can stop the cycle of karma as applies to ourselves, nothing i do can change YOUR karma. IP: Logged |
listenstotrees
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From: Rivendell
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posted February 17, 2010 04:32 PM
It also insinuates that god is violent, angry, wrathful, the idea he needs blood for atonement.IP: Logged |
LEXX
Knowflake Posts: 9743
From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted February 17, 2010 09:13 PM
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It also insinuates that god is violent, angry, wrathful, the idea he needs blood for atonement.
No insinuation...but true of that entity who is the evil "god" of the second creation story in Genesis two and his Eden zoo, set apart from the rest of the first creation of Genesis one and of simply "God", not the vain, jealous, bloodthirsty, paranoid
"LORD" God, the false god, who is predominate throughout the so called "good book", even in his rejecting Cain's vegetarian offering and instead favoring the smell of the burnt fat and flesh of young lambs which Abel killed to please that evil one.
The "book" is packed with contradictions and rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, genital mutilation, incest, and more revolting things, and is not a book of love.
The crucifixion/crucifiction tale is a warped tale, not altogether true.
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listenstotrees
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posted February 18, 2010 05:25 AM
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Lexxigramer
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posted March 30, 2013 01:03 PM
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Padre35
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posted March 30, 2013 01:16 PM
Eh, what the heck, but first:From 2010?!?! This is like a Zombie thread that just re-animated itself and shambled up to the top of this forum..lol! Did Christ's death wash away bad Karma? In a word..no. Do Christ's teachings, along with the Apostles exposition and explanation of them wash away bad Karma? In a word..yes. One of the issues with Calvinism, and neo Calvinism is the idea that Salvation is also the path of a righteous life. That is not so, for example when it is said "Charity washes away a multitude of sins" or indeed bad karma, that is a good approach to changing Karma. Though, isn't the Zen/Daoist ideal that there is no "good' nor 'bad"? IP: Logged |
listenstotrees
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posted March 31, 2013 04:04 PM
Just a random note.There are a LOT more religious people in America than there are in the UK.  I was going to say "fantatics" but it is not my wish to offend anyone. I try to be gentle because I believe in trying not to hurt others as much as possible because I believe we're all interconnected. That's about as far as my own "beliefs" go. I think my non-judgmental approach irritates some people; they think I make excuses up for people. I don't particularly feel a sense of belonging when around others because I feel that most people tend to kind of live on the surface. I feel quite a strong sense of disconnection often, in fact. But deep down I believe we are all connected. IP: Logged |
listenstotrees
Knowflake Posts: 2064
From: Rivendell
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posted March 31, 2013 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Eh, what the heck, but first:From 2010?!?! This is like a Zombie thread that just re-animated itself and shambled up to the top of this forum..lol!
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Lexxigramer
Moderator Posts: 2069
From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted March 31, 2013 07:16 PM
Seemed time for a bump.
It was a good topic.IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted March 31, 2013 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by listenstotrees:
Just a random note.There are a LOT more religious people in America than there are in the UK. I was going to say "fantatics" but it is not my wish to offend anyone. I try to be gentle because I believe in trying not to hurt others as much as possible because I believe we're all interconnected. That's about as far as my own "beliefs" go. I think my non-judgmental approach irritates some people; they think I make excuses up for people. I don't particularly feel a sense of belonging when around others because I feel that most people tend to kind of live on the surface. I feel quite a strong sense of disconnection often, in fact. But deep down I believe we are all connected.
Well from what I have seen;
you are correct.
Lots of fanatics, call a spade a spade.
Christians, not all, but too many;
are very scary up to dangerous lunatics.
The physical abuse to my body, mind and property by the doings of Christians in my life to date;
are real.
The abuses these good Christians piled upon me;
then later taught their children to do the same;
resulting in my son being abused by the children of the rabid Christians that abused me.
I am not against all Christians.
My longest time friend (since 1969) is one.
My beloved ex mother-in law was another and a wonderful woman.
I have found however most are delusional up to violent.
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Lexxigramer
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From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 31, 2013 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Eh, what the heck, but first:From 2010?!?! This is like a Zombie thread that just re-animated itself and shambled up to the top of this forum..lol!
Zombies can be interesting. 
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