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Topic: 2012 debunked
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listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 11:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnINDZolDY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIXRYyvB8M&feature=related IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 12:01 PM
He makes some interesting points but then he starts to get religious near the end of the second part. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 3580 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 12:55 PM
this is the guy who would debunk Astrology.This is all from the astronomical standpoint..you know. He is debunking stuff from the point of Astronomy. Remember that Western Astrology is based on the earth's perspective. It's based on illusion. He debunks stuff by saying it's only from the earth's perspective,and so it's meaninglesss. Astronomical community dismisses anything that has to do with Astrology. The Niburu debunking makes sense.
I like how he explained about how the Sumerians wouldn't have known about the outerplanets and Pluto. They didn't even know about Eris which is a transneptunian that is larger than Pluto. They didn't know about Haumea and Makemake which are transneptunian objects that are almost as large as Pluto too. A lot of people just believe in stuff too easily and don't apply any critical thinking.
Of course, astrologers will always be accused of not applying any critical thinking by astronomers.
with all that said,
I am skeptical of 2012 myself. ------------------ Raymond Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind. http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 01:29 PM
Actually, I don't believe in astrology any more. I believe the planets may have an impact on us, just as the Moon, however I don't believe that people can be fit into categories according to Gemini, Leo etc....these are simply ideas a few people made up by deciding what a line of stars looked a little bit like to them. I could look at the same lines of stars and decide that they look like something different. IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 01:30 PM
The Sumerians might not have known about Pluto, etc. Sitchen simply interpreted their writings that way. The drawings of the planets also bear no resemblance to the actual scale of them, etc. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 3580 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 01:32 PM
Not all Astrology is zodiac sign AstrologyCosmobiology puts little emphasis on zodiac signs. Uranian Astrology and Magi Astrology don't use zodiac signs. I never believed in Sunsign Astrology any way. ------------------ Raymond Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind. http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 01:36 PM
I like the sound of those, Glaucus...they sound interesting. IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 01:43 PM
I think the point he wanted to make about the alignment with the galactic center, is that the earth is not going to be infused by its rays as some would say, that it only has to do with what we can perceive in the skies.I would love to believe otherwise though. I love the idea that our DNA is going to be "rebooted" and so on. I love the idea of something happening to help delivery humanity from tyranny for once and for all. Beam us up, Scottie. Up to the next level. Hehe. IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 03:23 PM
I've just listened to Nassim Haramein talking about the sun again, so decided to do a bit more research. I found this good video:What will happen to the Sun in 2012? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8U5Fzg8Xsw&feature=related IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2010 03:34 PM
Why do so many of us focus on the Mayan Calendar anyway? The Mayans were a culture with many bloodthirsty practices. That is hardly wise and all-loving. Why do we look to them as if they were? They may have been very decent at astronomy and mathematics, but let's leave it at that.IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 09, 2010 03:45 AM
Update...Regarding the Mayans, I was listening to a researcher called Hugh Newman on Red Ice Radio, and he suggests the Quetzalcoatl encouraged the Mayans to stop practicing sacrifice...and says he may even have followed a vegetarian diet.(???) Personally while I find this fascinating, I would like to see the evidence from where he drew these ideas.Regarding what it says in the video, that we are nowhere near the galactic center, David Wilcock suggests at the end of the following link, that it is waves from the galactic center that are able to cause the genetic changes, etc, and talks about some evidence he found from scientific research for this theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9YbCGEYmk
I don't agree with everything he says (in other presentations and such), but the information in the above link is very interesting. It suggests that consciousness creates DNA, not the other way around. Info about the galactic center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4033 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 09, 2010 11:16 AM
i share your skepticism about the mayans being know it alls of some kind. stuart wilde describes them as the nazis of prehistory...tongue in cheek but serious too. my own doubts about ancient prophecies come from the story of the aztecs(? or inca?) who saw the spaniards coming in their shiny armor and plumed hats and mistook them for the returning Great White God of their legends...thus laid down their arms and gave loyalty without hesitation. and thus the spaniards got a grip on the new world...i wait with unbated breath to SEE what happens in 2012 though many astrologers have pointed out that it is not that spectacular astrologically. i would love to believe in the instant uplift gifted by higher beings too but i'm afraid i just cain't do it!! xox IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 3580 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 09, 2010 06:21 PM
"i share your skepticism about the mayans being know it alls of some kind. stuart wilde describes them as the nazis of prehistory...tongue in cheek but serious too. my own doubts about ancient prophecies come from the story of the aztecs(? or inca?) who saw the spaniards coming in their shiny armor and plumed hats and mistook them for the returning Great White God of their legends...thus laid down their arms and gave loyalty without hesitation. and thus the spaniards got a grip on the new world..." Aztecs in regards to how they dealt with Hernando Cortez.
------------------ Raymond
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4033 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 09, 2010 07:02 PM
thanks raymond!!IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 10, 2010 04:25 PM
Wrong thread. IP: Logged |
WinkAway Knowflake Posts: 601 From: The great beyond Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 10, 2010 07:04 PM
LTT I was kinda sketchy about astrology until Geocosmic Valentine looked at my chart and was able to map out things that happened in my past that she didn't know about.. and future. All from looking at my chart. Things she couldn't have just known about me. She told me I would be going on some international trip. I was thinking that sounded a little far off, but sure enough. A few months after that I ended up flying to Yemen. I posed something else on here and she came back to say, "See I told you you'd be flying".. I got a little laugh at that. She convinced me...sorry to change the subject... back to 2012.. IP: Logged |
listenstotrees Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: the 5th dimension Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 12, 2010 05:43 PM
Red Ice Radio - Penney Peirce - Pt 1 - Frequency, Intuition, Time & Dreams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OIck1gKjB4 IP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 45 From: Oz Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2010 07:56 AM
I read this article recently which I found interesting: I totally believe in Astrology and Numerology, but am completely sceptical about horoscopes and people "reading things" about you. I think this is more intuition, etc. BUT, in the case of 2012, I've found it interesting that this article is about what the sun will do according to scientists in "2013" - without any reference to Mayans and the movie, etc. I also read another article three days later (in the same news paper) that a dude predicted in 2014 (based on history) that something major would happen, as this "always" happens midway through the second decade of a century. Yeah, whatever, I think some authors of this newspaper could be trying to seed thoughts about 2012 without alluding to it. In any case, the story as shown above seemed pretty interesting. I would love to see if any one else finds stories or articles about scientists regarding the sun around this time. Perhaps more will find stuff, or find stuff because of 2012. Heaps of Love, Dean. ------------------ I realized it for the first time in my life: there is nothing but mystery in the world, how it hides behind the fabric of our poor, browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!) Check out my free Chaldean Numerology Program based on Star Signs by Linda Goodman. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4033 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2010 01:05 PM
well..if this oil volcano cannot be stopped our seas will die and by 2012 we will be hard pressed to survive unless SOMETHING happens...that is of course a worst-case scenario...i don't think anyone is going to beam us up but we may be able to do something similar for ourselves if enough of us work on it. IP: Logged |
Azakeal Knowflake Posts: 20 From: Belfast Registered: Feb 2010
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posted June 19, 2010 03:28 PM
I heard from a friend that 2012 is about the kundalini energy awakening in all humans. It's represented by a snake, lying dormant at the base of the spine and it feels similar to an orgasm when it awakens, leading to full enlightenment when it travels up the spine into the brain and activates the pineal gland and all 7 chakra's. However unless you're ready to handle and integrate this 'fiery' energy it will basically consume you. This is why the 'end of days' talks about people being engulfed in fire. And why in ancient civilizations u see a lot of snake imagery, the best examples being ancient sites in Mexico, Cambodia and Egypt. In Egypy there are statues that have snake mouths coming over the persons head (showing the kundalini energy/snake reaching up and over all 7 chakra's). It's also why christianity demonised the snake and associated it with temptation and evil. They wanted to scare people away from trying to access the kundalini force within because they wanted to control the population with their belief system. So apparently the solar maximum is due 2012, when sunspot activity reaches its height, which will send huge amounts of energy to our planet from giant solar storms/flares. This will have real, physical effects on electronics but is also symbolic of the massive energy shift that will occur in all humans. Last year I (probably intuitively) started doing kundalini yoga and I've already felt this energy at the base of my spine. It's powerful! I didn't believe in 2012 hype either. But now I think there might be something to it. namaste Johnny IP: Logged |