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listenstotrees
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posted December 04, 2010 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hypothesis:

We incarnate onto the Earth plain- this dimensional plain- to experience a fear-based reality. The principle of this particular frequency is it is a place where consciousness can experience control over others, war and competition, ie, for survival. The eco-system revolves around these principles, which began after the first shift/ lowering of frequencies, (that some may call the fall"). If there is truth in the idea that we are all creations/ aspects of the same consciousness/ force/ source....and if it is true that there is collective consciousness within each species or within all species put together, then one benefit of such a possibility would be that things would have to eventually work out in the end. That we will eventually raise our frequency and be in harmony once again.

The question I then ask myself, is if there was such a "fall", why did it happen in the first place? How can we prevent it happening again?
It must have happened in the first place because some of the beings living in harmony wondered what it would be like to experience something different- they became bored and yearned for a new kind of thrill. Deeper and deeper into denser reality the beings, and those around them fell. Whether it was a choice or not, or something that it is necessary for the universe to just go through....who knows. Logic would say, that as it has happened, and is real in this experience/ frequency, that obviously the universe needed to experience it on one level.

For things to change, and change forever, we need more than just a new civilization/ culture/ utopia/ frequency raise. We need to remember; not to forget the way things were. We need another kind of evolution. To all evolve into empaths, with open interconnection to all other beings as well as access to collective memories; the library of experience...that some have named Akashic Records. It is not about seeing. It is about feeling. Experiencing all that others have felt.

I believe that one day our scientists will prove the existence of the soul and other dimensions. It isn't all about hocus pocus. It is just as crazy to believe there is nothing more to existence than what the 5 senses tell us as it is to be someone who will accept anything "spiritual" they like the sounds of- without distinguishing fact from fantasy through the inner powers of discernment.


I have spent many years pondering the difference between illusion, reality, imagination, intuition. I feel that what is meant by the idea that this world is all "an illusion" is that this world is a creation of consciousness, the combining of many aspects of consciousness, individuals, creatures.....to create a consensus reality. Without the consensus reality, no-one would be able to interact. What defines our consensus reality is that it is a fear-based one. If we want to change it then we will have to desire it to change. collectively, in a great enough number to bring about the momentum required to manifest the result. We need understanding in order for it to change. We need to be aware of what is going on. Without empathy, we will carry on in our cycle, fighting, because we will never find the real solution. Assumption is the bane of understanding. We need knowledge of who we are and what we are doing. We need knowledge of each other. From knowledge we may bring wisdom.

The mind is limited. The mind, physical brain, and body, are a vehicle for experience in earthly form. Thought is the original source of all forms. Through the mind, via the 5 senses, we interpret this physical, consensus reality, our world. But the mind is limited. It can never find the ultimate truth. All it is used for, is experiencing this creation. How can we find the truth from looking outward, if the secret to that which is outside us is within us?

The key to empathy/ freedom is a place inside our hearts. Maybe one day scientists will be able to explain the dynamics how this works. I don't know how it works. All I sense is that I am aware of it and that everyone has it within them. Attuning to it is effected by our will. Detachment or attuning takes place according to our desires, although sadly many detach because of what others or this world imposes upon them.

Have you ever felt the emotions of another, and if so, where did you feel it? Was it inside you, some place within your heart?

Perhaps the mind should be second to the heart....Perhaps it is with the heart we should begin to see things. Some people fear their hearts, because they feel their hearts have lied to them in the past. But I suggest the idea that the heart itself doesn't lie- it is the emotions that may deceive us. Emotions are creations of the mind and reactions to how we interpret what we experience and perceive from our points of observation. There is nothing wrong with experiencing emotions. Life is art.

But what I'm attempting to say is that we are searching for the answers. We want to find the truth. We may find it by finding ourselves again. We must use logic and wisdom to distinguish between the mind and the heart. Through the heart we can connect with others, feel their intentions, sense their energy and their feelings. This may be the key to ending all war. The wars without, as well as the wars within.

Through the mind we can create, and experience this world together.

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An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.
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posted December 04, 2010 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just some thoughts I put onto paper, they are still rough- I might try to work on expressing them more eloquently. (I know I am repeating a lot of stuff I've posted before, but I think my ideas are evolving as time goes on? Hope so. Don't want to sound like a broken record).

I just wanted to share them in case anyone has any of their own insights they could give me for feedback?

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posted December 04, 2010 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.heartmath.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F71qWfxgIu4

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posted December 05, 2010 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very profound insights... i would like to
take some time to truly "ingest" this - much of what you say mirrors my own mental
meanderings...

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posted December 05, 2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Much like "Powder"

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posted December 05, 2010 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for reading my "ramble"

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posted December 05, 2010 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
listenstotrees
You are quite welcome dear seeker!

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posted December 05, 2010 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you I have often felt/thought the same way.

I'm a heart math fan too!

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“It’s an interesting thing. Seeing Kuan Yin relating to a flower so intently. She's not just looking at it; she's interacting with it…I’m seeing how the act of relating to a flower appears to be so simple. Yet, it takes a tremendous amount of courage to make such a “simple” act important. Now, the lotus is floating away.”

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mochai
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posted December 06, 2010 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for that post. It was beautiful to read.

When I feel empathy, I always find it to be the most beautiful experience and I cherish it even though it's usually someone else's pain. I always feel so forunate when I can have that. The experience is so poetic.

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posted December 09, 2010 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finger Pointing to the Moon - Bruce Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg

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posted December 09, 2010 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe there wasn't a "fall". It's just the idea I derived from the ideas of others, which could be derived from religion, which my heart tells me is false. I don't know what happened. All I know is that this world is a strange place, and once you are focused on love (and focused on empathy alongside the love), all the suffering that takes place in the world not only hurts your heart but seems so pointless and alien.

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posted December 09, 2010 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey,How did it feel when you had your babies LTT?
Did the Love hurt so much? I it is for me... I never knew I'd feel this way.
Being a sensitive type, if I realise how much I'm loving my children/babies then it starts to hurt in my solar plexus... like so much Love its trying to burst out, literally!
Anyway just some conversation came to mind.

to you!

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“It’s an interesting thing. Seeing Kuan Yin relating to a flower so intently. She's not just looking at it; she's interacting with it…I’m seeing how the act of relating to a flower appears to be so simple. Yet, it takes a tremendous amount of courage to make such a “simple” act important. Now, the lotus is floating away.”

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posted December 10, 2010 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I had my babies, I felt an overwhelming desire to protect them from all the bad in the world. I felt for them because the womb is a place of safety and bliss (in most cases). Every time they cried it stung my heart. I wanted to be the perfect mother....but I couldn't. Having kids has been the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life, and the difficulties I had caused me to ponder even more.

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posted December 12, 2010 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Art does not reproduce the visible; rather it makes visible the inward vision"
~Paul Klee

"The imagination is not a State: it is the Human existence itself."
~William Blake

"Art’s task is to save the soul of mankind. …anything less is a dithering while Rome burns, because if the artist, who is self-selected for being able to journey into the other — if the artist cannot find the way, then the way cannot be found."
~Terence McKenna

"It's your mind that creates this world"
~Buddha

"Those that lose the dream are lost"
~Aboriginal Saying

"The great truth of the Universe lies within human imagination; it is the source, the sun and those who understand its powers are the lords of all created things
~Paracelsus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tmvPDRpp94

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posted December 12, 2010 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
~Martin Luther King

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