posted January 18, 2011 02:50 AM            

Many Knowflakes have commented on certain posts as causing fear, maybe even panic in those who read them.

To disagree with this would be folly. When someone tells you that humans are not the product of evolution but of genetic manipulation, that the governments of the world are involved in a conspiracy to create a New World Order, that negative astral entities attack people etc, the usual response is fear.

The Knowflakes I mentioned and others are correct in surmising that piling fear and terror upon the masses is a self-defeating venture that serves to alienate people from what we desire to make known.

But the counter argument, that ignorance is neither bliss nor wise and brushing issues under the carpet will only catch humanity unawares when things finally boil over is equally meritorious and valid.

So, does one show restraint in making revelations and keep things from getting dramatic or do they throw political correctness out of the window and play the Devil's advocate and call a spade a spade?

I would say it is futile to propound one over the other because both arguments are equally rational. Instead, we must, for it is the core of this issue, address the subject of Fear itself and seek to counter it.

For where there is fear, there can be no understanding.

[edit: Removed the names of the Knowflakes. I do not wish to be seen as accusing someone; my only purpose for this is open discussion.]

posted January 18, 2011 03:06 AM            

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"The only thing we have to fear is fear it'self - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified, terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."
---- FDR - First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933

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"What are fears but voices airy?
Whispering harm where harm is not.
And deluding the unwary
Till the fatal bolt is shot!"
---- Wordsworth

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"Fear is a tyrant and a despot, more terrible than the rack, more potent than the snake."
---- Edgar Wallace - The Clue of the Twisted Candle (1916)

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"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
--- Frank Herbert, Dune - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.
--- Marie Curie

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There is much in the world to make us afraid. There is much more in our faith to make us unafraid.
--- Frederick W. Cropp

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There are very few monsters who warrant the fear we have of them.
--- Andre Gide

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Obstacles are like wild animals. They are cowards but they will bluff you if they can. If they see you are afraid of them... they are liable to spring upon you; but if you look them squarely in the eye, they will slink out of sight.
--- Orison Swett Marden

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To fear is one thing. To let fear grab you by the tail and swing you around is another.
--- Katherine Paterson, Jacob Have I Loved

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Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends.
--- Shirley Maclaine

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I would sort out all the arguments and see which belonged to fear and which to creativeness. Other things being equal, I would make the decision which had the larger number of creative reasons on its side.
--- Katharine Butler Hathaway

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He who fears something gives it power over him.
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posted January 18, 2011 05:45 AM            

If the Illuminati was all powerful, they would have no need for conspiracies. If they did not exist, then there would be no fiat currencies or Global Banking Cartel. The truth is they do exist, they are very much evil, and there are checks and balances in the Occult working of the Universe to take care of them. There is no need to fear them or to fight them. There is a need for Knowledge about them and their workings though.

If the Draco Reptilians use Fear for controlling their slaves, there are rogue Pleiadians who use the absence of fear to mesmerize their fluffy new age flock.

Knowledge is better than Fear or fearlessness.

Knowledge = Freedom from the need to fear or the need to be fearless. With knowledge, we are too busy creating, inventing, uplifting and making a positive impact than being cowed down by fear or fighting fearlessly.

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posted January 18, 2011 08:40 AM            

Until I know if there is any sort of universal justice, how do I know that fear does not have its place?

posted January 18, 2011 11:24 AM            

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Many Knowflakes like LEXX, pire, mochai and Banxx have commented on certain posts as causing fear, maybe even panic in those who read them.

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Please point me to any posts I made wherein you say I have accused you of causing fear.

posted January 18, 2011 02:33 PM            

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I would say it is futile to propound one over the other because both arguments are equally rational. Instead, we must, for it is the core of this issue, address the subject of Fear itself and seek to counter it.

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this point you made is very important to me, and I agree. I would not say that it prevent to get the knowledge of the situation we are discussing on this forum and that you mentioned, cause it is important to get info about it and form one's own opinion.

forming one's own opinion is important, and is necessary... to realise that fear is the real obstacle.

ok, for most uninformed people (it is not pejorative, there is no judgment when I say uninformed) for most of those people, fear is like a breadcrumb trail that keep them on the right side of what is right and wrong. ex: you fear police, because it is right to not harm others. you don't fear police, you are more likely to upset other's peace, even inadvertantly, otherwise you need to be aware of some deeper logics that will convince you to not hurt others even inadvertently.

fear is useful in some contexts, but my point in this thread >> Strange things in Denver? << was that when we are among peers who are aware of that type of things, ( and if we were not, at least a little bit, then we'd not be on universal code cause LL is big and this forum is very specific, and we often find some regulars) so among people aware like most of us, I think that there is a danger of intoxicating ourselves with fear.

my problem is that I like to look at a discussion from an angle that is not always obvious. and that is not the main approach to the discussion, I can't help. it must be my reppressed need to stand out. I want to bring an alternative point of view that can, eventually, complement the general discussion. you should know me by now.

and about the precise discussion (NWO, reptilians...) I agree that knowledge is important. and implicitly, I agree about a reality of the most impossible scenarios. but I can't just say I agree and stop right there. who cares if I agree. what is the point of saying only that? I must bring something else.

although having said that, I wonder if I actually agree with most of what is written on the web... but I can't go point by point about what I think is right and what I think is wrong, it is just my opinion, besides I'd never have the time and evergy to write everything I think. I think too much for my typing skills

posted January 19, 2011 03:56 PM            

I think this is where I get my thoughts about self care... There is being brave and then there is being rash or provocative and marginalising yourself..(I have done this time and time again).
When you have a message to deliver, should it become you or should you deliver it and state..don't shoot the messenger...
Especially as they have done with the like of Lennon, Ted Kennedy etc.

When does the message become more than a message and when does your life become all about delivering the message?

The thing is when this happens it falls apart so easily, because any slight grain of fact that can be manipulated will be and with the risk that the whole message is lost as well as the messenger's sanity.

posted January 19, 2011 05:48 PM            

Every one of us is going to die some day any way. The only mystery is when and how we are going to die.

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posted January 20, 2011 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:

Anytime I bring conspiracy theories up or even talk about my passion for human rights, I get inadvertently told I have a messiah complex, or I am avoided like the plague (the plague....another conspiracy theory .....). What I really want to say to those people, is, Whilst it seems to bother you so much that I give a ****....it bothers me no end that you don't.

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My feelings are this...I came into 'this' life for a 'reason', just as my bf...we have spent lifetimes learning, including this lifetime, for these times...he is ex-Military, Border Patrol, Bodyguard, and Investigator...My mom suggested I go into the military, or become a sheriff, like my great-grandfather...I nearly joined the PD in Louisiana back in 03'...I just never did either...however, I have always had strong investigative and research skills...I was involved in an investigation with a team of Paranormal investigators a few years ago...I could kick myself then for not putting my 'skills' to 'better use'...
I was a math girl, a few long term bookkeeping jobs...one of them DIA...I could really go on about the knowledge, life skills, survival skills, and research skills that we have acquired...not to mention ALWAYS from a young age having a strong sense, and connection to God...always questioning if I were different, and why was I here?
So last year it all started coming together...just after meeting my love...the movie starts to roll...a few months later...'wow'..it's all making sense now...
Our research, math, investigative skills...all started being used, in our everyday life...they come together with God, love, truths...my kids, and their gifts...abusive relationships, failed marriages, abandonment by my father at a young age...drug and alcohol problems, and with my kids too...a rocky life...oh yeah...lots of deaths of family members....lessons...lessons...I 'get it' now...
We NEVER will post anything, nor state anything, in speculation...we never just read something, and believe it...we take nothing at face value...we dig deep...discuss...dig deeper...discuss more...intuition comes in, dreams, visions...it has to add up and make sense to us...we dislike the word 'fear' almost as much as the word 'hate'...I know what fear feels like, and would never want to impose that on another creature of any kind....
The bottom line is this...we are 'here' to do a job, and we are doing it...through research, numerology, astrology, lexigramming, discussion....between us and others like us. This is our lives purpose, to learn, teach and share...so that others, who either don't have the time, or just don't want to....can be aware of our knowledge...knowledge + wisdom = God

posted January 20, 2011 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
We will never die Glac...only shed these vessels containing our souls...some souls will reincarnate, and others will ascend as beings of light...no death....

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I meant in regards to physical death on physical plane

yes...I believe in reincarnation too,and so I believe that the soul lives after physical death

I was referring to our earthly bodies

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posted January 21, 2011 11:01 PM            

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During my early years online visiting different forums I’ve come across—as you have—tons of really strange people, beliefs, perceptions, groups and so on. One of these groups that confused me terribly at first were the large numbers of people around the planet who are intently, many obsessively interested and involved with the “conspiracy theory” business. There are a few very well-known people (writers, lectures, teachers etc.) who have done much to awaken sections of the masses to the fact that the planet has been run by some really negative Dark beings—non-physical and physical humans. I well understand why these few people took on this difficult and dangerous mission to scream at the masses long and hard enough to increasingly awaken them to realize that things are not as they’ve been told. These teachers are brave, tough old souls with a difficult soul mission and I’m glad my Lightworker talents needed to be done in stealth mode for most of my life because, as a psychic and ultra-sensitive, I could not have done (during Phase One) what these people have so publicly. We each have our Lightworker and teacher specialties and service-to-others missions however.

But many of the people who’ve been partly awakened by some of these tough public Lightworker souls talking about “conspiracy” type things, are still stuck (and many obsessed) with the vast amounts of negative information being brought to the surface about how truly evil, dark, selfish, foul and far-reaching these planetary controls and controllers have been. They have been partly awakened as was intended but they’ve fixated on the complex machinations of the nonphysical negative Dark and the physical “elite” and how it has infiltrated Earth and nearly every system here. In other words, they’re now a bit more conscious of the multidimensional horrors of the planetary and human situation, yet many of them have a very difficult time turning away from the frightening, bloody car wreck and moving on. What good is it to become aware that you’ve existed in a carefully designed and crafted cage if you never learn how to extricate yourself from it completely? How has it benefited you to memorized the names and dates of the many physical and non-physical monsters and their many evil deeds and agendas across time on Earth? Are these “conspiracy” people free and empowered because they can connect endless pages of past evil deeds, dark b@st@rds and their horrible actions? No, they’re obsessed, fixated, and stuck in that lower frequency energy emotionally and are just as imprisoned by it as are the “sheeple people” they disrespect and want desperately to wake up!

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posted January 21, 2011 11:21 PM            

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fear is useful in some contexts, but my point in this thread >> Strange things in Denver? << was that when we are among peers who are aware of that type of things, ( and if we were not, at least a little bit, then we'd not be on universal code cause LL is big and this forum is very specific, and we often find some regulars) so among people aware like most of us, I think that there is a danger of intoxicating ourselves with fear.

my problem is that I like to look at a discussion from an angle that is not always obvious. and that is not the main approach to the discussion, I can't help. it must be my reppressed need to stand out. I want to bring an alternative point of view that can, eventually, complement the general discussion. you should know me by now.

and about the precise discussion (NWO, reptilians...) I agree that knowledge is important. and implicitly, I agree about a reality of the most impossible scenarios. but I can't just say I agree and stop right there. who cares if I agree. what is the point of saying only that? I must bring something else.

I think too much for my typing skills

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I think I understand this now. Thank you for explaining it pire.

And, yes, I too have a typing ADD...I'm more comfortable discussing verbally than punching buttons on a keyboard

posted January 22, 2011 05:20 AM            

Other beings,

other worlds

There are other beings

Other worlds

In our dreams, perceived

In our mind, conceived

In our sky, believed

Other beings,

Other worlds

We can paint beauty

Or we can pain ugly

Other beings,

Other worlds

There are other worlds

What world will we create?

What dreams will we bring forth?

In our dreams, perceived,

In our minds, conceived

In the news, foreseen

Other beings, other worlds

But will we understand them?

Does love conquer all in the end?

When will we truly know ourselves?

We are lost in a world of illusion

Hurled by the tide of confusion

Nothing is clear

I'm not sure if we need fear

I need a magic looking glass

To help me find the truth

I am human

We are lost in our humanness

Limited by our finiteness

Seeing through our little lenses

Just our angles, perspectives

Restricted.....

posted January 22, 2011 09:41 AM            

Did you write that poem? It is very beautiful and profound.