posted April 19, 2011 11:01 PM            

She was a very nice lady I met through work, a Virgo, who lived in California and met somewhat of a spiritual guru. They had a romantic relationship, and she said the relationship itself was more powerful and intense than anything she had ever experienced. She said that sex wasn't even like sex, it was like communing with God.

Anyhow, this Guru told her that his higher self asked if she would like to be connected to her higher self. Being young and somewhat naive, she said "yes".

Afterwards, she was so emotionally crippled that she cried all day, constantly. Her emotions became debilitating.

Her Guru then told her, that he was instructed to let her to go through this alone - let her "sink or swim" so to speak...

Fast forward, this woman is 60 years old, and she has spent her life since alone, without children, suffering with crippling physical conditions, chronic depressions (says she considered suicide, many times - even said she understands the pain that would drive someone to murder).

She has little money, no friends, and is basically an outcast. At night, she "channels" energy - basically is constantly overwhelmed by outside energies and they manifest through her.

Her higher self, that she calls "spirit" tells her what to do, and if she disobeys, she suffers for it - physically, emotionally - as in will vomit constantly, or worse.

Her higher-self told her to move from California to Colorado - and she did not want to do this, at all... as she was HAPPY in California. However, "spirit" made her.

"Spirit" also told her recently that she would be transitioning from eating meat, to being a vegetarian. "Spirit" also told her that she has 6 seperate personalities, and they manifest through her, without her losing consciousness, which she says is incredibly painful.

I am sharing this here with you because I feel compelled to ask for help from someone who does not see this as a direct example of demon posession. I firmly believe that this woman, if not posessed, is opressed. And, I fear for her safety.

She and I had lunch a couple weeks ago, and I didn't sleep well that night. In fact, I was terrified. To me I can't imagine how communing with the "higher-self" could leave someone's life so desolate, broken, lifeless and lonely - miserable and painful - and that this is a representation of "enlightenment".

I ask anyone to give me guidance on how to help or instruct this woman, because this woman has crossed my path. I can't, from my background as a Christian, offer her any advice. I have no other perspective.

If you have something to add, or a helpful word, even your own interpretation of this situation, I would appreciate it.

Let me also note, that this woman is clear thinking, aware, is able to converse about many subjects. She, in spite of being overwhelmed with "spirit" does not appear to me as someone who is insane.

posted April 19, 2011 11:26 PM            

Some of the most screwed up people I've met where (or ARE) also extremely sucked into the New Age teachings, healing modalities or just like to call themselves "spiritual".

Often completely brainwashed and rigid. One thinks she is one of the chosen ones who will be taken up in a spaceship to another planet in 2012. I couldnt stand to listen to it anymore. She became very jugdemental and holier than thou. Quite sad to watch.

It takes a long time to get sucked into these kinds of things.....so it might take this woman quite awhile to untangle herself and get back to living normally.

Wish I had some advice, but it sounds like a serious learning experience for her.

Is she sounding like she realizes this is not the healthiest way to live? If she is still in denial and thinks she's alright or wants to continue on her path.....there may not be much you can say.

Like a drug addict, she may have to hit rock bottom before she wakes up.

The best thing you might be able to do for her is ask her questions....get her thinking about her choices...maybe plant some seeds to help her become aware, or what it looks like from an outside perspective.

Maybe you could ask her if she thinks her life is healthy, how many times the advice or instructions from her Higher Self have actually helped her, or made things worse.

Treat her gently because it sounds like she's in spiritual crisis, and those kind need to be dealt with like you would a little child.

posted April 19, 2011 11:37 PM            

I did not ask her whether or not she is "happy" about her relationship with her higher-self. I gathered, that she feels robbed and lonely - and (from her own interpretation) that she feels that her higher-self has instructed her and motivated her this long, through terrible pain, only to keep her going - not to reach any sort of spiritual destination.

posted April 19, 2011 11:46 PM            

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I feel like I need to call this woman a "spiritual ambulance" or something...

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Well, that could very well be your intuition talking to you. Or it could be fear and wanting to help and protect her, or a bit of both.

Yes, try other options, talk to other people you think may be able to help. Since she did come into your life, there may be a reason and maybe you are the one who will be able to find her help.

Probably better she found you, than some other New Ager who would fill her head with talk of karma and past lives and not really get her anywhere.

I think you are going to have to play this one by ear and work things out as you go.

I'm intersted in what others might have to say too.

posted April 20, 2011 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
It does seem like a manipulated mind control activity.
PS is she a christian?Have you asked her if she bellieves in the divine?or was she once a believer and now and now spiritually dead?
With what name does she address her spirit guide or higher self?And who introduced her to this occult guru? Does she go to the church or an place of worship if so which one?What made her believe in her guru?
Please know all these details before coming to some conclusions.It sure looks like a case of Blak magic to me.Ask her to remove any talismans given to her or placed in her house.Ask her what drugs is she taking.

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I'll take your questions one by one...

From what I've gathered, she has gone to a Universalist Church. So, although she may talk about The Bible, it's through new-age ideas, kind of.

She does not take any drugs, as she is sensitive to many, many things. In fact, she takes a pendulum around with her to determine whether or not she can eat something new, at the grocery store.

The name of her higher-self, is "spirit".

I know she believes in the spiritual world, but whether or not she believes in Jesus Christ and the ideas that comes with that, we did not talk much in depth. I kept my faith to myself during lunch, and mostly just asked questions and listened.

posted April 20, 2011 12:27 AM            

As far as the Guru, she describes him as a quite miraculous person - although, I became quickly suspicious after his "higher-self" instructed him to abandon her to learn on her own.

posted April 20, 2011 04:25 AM            

Like what the posters above said, I don't think her case is a demonstration of "connection with the Higher Self" (or whatever its name is). She connected with something else and based on your descriptions, that something is a low level or malevolent energy.

I am not qualified to give her any advice but there are a few things I would like to raise:

First, the problem began because she had believed that she was separated from her HS. Meaning, she already had issues even before she met the so-called guru. It's possible she was picked by him to do this thing to because she was an easy target.

Second, her HS is not supposed to cause her harm in any way. It was supposed to give her an expanded view on things, help her make better decisions and help her improve her life.

Third, her HS is not supposed to cause her to have multiple personalities. In fact, upon "connecting" with the HS, she is supposed to merge all of "them" into a coherent, better functioning whole self. In my opinion, the HS is about convergence and not fragmentation.

The 6-personality bit worries me. Are you sure that you are dealing with the "sane" version of her? You know the saying about appearances.

posted April 20, 2011 08:36 AM            

Yes very much like a boot camp if you will, Do something wrong and you will be kicked in the teeth.

-Stay in line, Keep your back straight.

* I have seen these types of behaviors frowned upon on this board, I hope I understand why as they are not very desirable.

Good for you if you know different.

posted April 20, 2011 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Rogue Guru:
*Sigh.* You did ask for others' perspectives, so here's mine.

My initial reactons:
1) a person's "Higher Self" doesn't cause her harm.
2) Did this man actually do anything to her, or is she suffering from a mental disorder and part of it is to cast him as the cause of her dis-ease in her mind? I'm not ruling out a spiritual, or "supernatural", cause here, but, based on the limited data available, I would consider this the most likely explanation. A person can have a mental disorder yet appear lucid when it's not directly manifesting.

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Rogue Guru,

I am definitely persuaded by my feelings on mental disorders. I do not doubt the possibility - however, her symptoms started after this merging with "higher self"... and she is able to live an independent life outside of the horrible symptoms she describes...

I am on the fence about this, and try to be objective - but, from what I FEEL and what my GUT says, listening to her, and talking...

I feel like my hair stands on end, and feel palpable fear - as this "spirit" sounds intelligent and malicious.

Is it multiple-personality disorder? She seems to be aware of her transitioning, and says it's extremely painful. She says that she just lays down at night and is overwhelmed, one by one, by these transitions of "self" - the 6 different versions of her, that "spirit" told her about.

posted April 20, 2011 10:44 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
anything like Ouija boards, pendulums, etc. can create portals to the spirit world that is for sure.You can be polite to her and ask her to discard the use of pendulum very subtely.Also ask her at what times she gets triggered by this spirit guide?
So without doubt she is a part of a cult.
Do ask her what is the name of her so called guru? and also cult?
PS..sinec she trusts you i would not advice you to give her email address to others only you can help her through others.
Whatever happens please keep us updated.

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I will ask more questions, as I sent her a friendly email last night (after I posted here). I had no idea how I was going to handle this friendship with her, because I am afraid for my own (spiritual) safety.

Sitting down with this woman and talking about what "spirit" said was really uncomfortable with me and left me feeling "off"...

There were really deep spiritual truths that she seemed to understand... things that rang a bell with me, but then I almost became more afraid, because I knew that "spirit" was not a very nice spirit.

And, if "spirit" was aware to share this information, then... certainly this thing had bad intentions, considering the result.

I almost wanted to purge my brain of what I heard, for fear it would effect me. I tried not to think of the conversation even for a few days, because I was deeply upset.

Thank you for your advice. On second thought, it's probably a good idea not to share her information...

I know she will listen to me, but I am just unsure of why I get to be the "lucky" one.

posted April 20, 2011 10:49 AM            

There are Shamans out there that do soul retrieval and help people find and pick up their pieces. That may be something she is open to.

As they say, it's often the case with people with multiple personalities and other mental disorders is really a matter of soul level wounding, seperating, a severely traumatic event or events. It often stems from there and that's where work should be done. They need to recollect themselves. It's a process.