posted September 17, 2011 01:59 AM            

Similarly, there are five conditions that modify the weight of karma and they are persistent, repeated action; action done with great intention and determination; action done without regret; action done towards those who possess extraordinary qualities; and action done towards those who have benefited one in the past. Here too there are subjective and objective conditions. The subjective conditions are persistent action; action done with intention; and action done without regret. If one does an unwholesome action again and again with great intention and without regret, the weight of the action will be enhanced. The objective conditions are the quality of the object to whom actions are done and the nature of the relationship. In other words, if one does a wholesome or unwholesome action towards living beings who possess extraordinary qualities such as the arhats, or the Buddha, the wholesome or unwholesome action done will have greater weight. Finally the power of wholesome or unwholesome action done towards those who have benefited one in the past, such as one’s parents, teachers and friends, will be greater.

posted September 17, 2011 02:04 AM            

The benefits of understanding the Law of Karma are that this understanding discourages one from per-forming unwholesome actions which have suffering as their fruit. Once we understand that in our own life every action will have a similar and equal reaction, once we understand that we will experience the effect of that action, wholesome or unwholesome, we will refrain from unwholesome behavior, not wanting to experience the effects of these unwholesome actions. And similarly, understanding that wholesome actions have happiness as their fruit, we will cultivate these wholesome actions.

posted September 17, 2011 04:56 AM            

I do not know the exact answers to my musings.
Tantriks assert that we share the blame for saving someone without permission, who then goes on to commit crime. According to them, we share a little blame when we are requested for help. I think of the story of Moses. He helped a man who requested help and that man later kills an Egyptian, and Moses has to flee Egypt and live in exile for more than 7 years [Saturn square ].
But had he not gone in exile, he would not have been able to liberate the Hebrews. This is the multidimensional aspect. SUferring for one bad karma led to earning so much positive karma that he had to get enlightenment [Burning Bush = Kundalini Rise]

The Buddhist examples were very good. Many of us think we are perfect and do not deserve anything negative in this life because we have been good but I have recalled doing heinous crimes hundreds of years ago. After basic Kundalini effect in me, every harsh experience gets followed up by a showcase of the negative deeds that merited the experience. I can only say that God is Most Kind.

Which is why continuing to release unknown faults, seeking forgiveness of others from a Higher Self level, forgiving all who hurt in the past and even forgiving oneself are important to ensure the hidden Pendulums are stilled from hitting us.

Compassion for Self is also very important. There will come a time when we have to Merge our previous lifelines to further Ascend. If one of that life streams is of a Psychopath, and all those experiences get merged, will we be able to stay sane? This is why premature Kundalini Rise is dangerous. Most of us will go insane if we know that we had been psychopaths or tyrants in another lifestream.

How many can do a "Jason Bourne" and confess to a person with full regret that he was the killer of her parents after getting awareness of his role as an assassin?

posted September 18, 2011 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Tantriks assert that we share the blame for saving someone without permission, who then goes on to commit crime. According to them, we share a little blame when we are requested for help.

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posted September 18, 2011 10:01 AM            

Anyone, specially IQ:

I read somewhere that-

The degree of 29 degrees Scorpio is the most karmic degree in the entire zodiac.

Can you explain this please. I am terribly curious to know.

posted September 18, 2011 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
EMitres, MBlake and Rajji,
Thanks for broadening the points!

I do not know the exact answers to my musings.
Tantriks assert that we share the blame for saving someone without permission, who then goes on to commit crime. According to them, we share a little blame when we are requested for help. I think of the story of Moses. He helped a man who requested help and that man later kills an Egyptian, and Moses has to flee Egypt and live in exile for more than 7 years [Saturn square ].
But had he not gone in exile, he would not have been able to liberate the Hebrews.

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Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
Comment

Moses commands the murder of approximately 100,000 young males and, roughly, 68,000 helpless women.

Consider women and children of your own family: No matter how sick they may lay, or how they may go against a religion, how would you feel if a man named Moses, claiming to speak for God, sent men into your house and hacked to pieces the women and male children? Also, how would you react if they spotted a female child, dragged her off with them to do as they please with her? Note that these innocent virgins served for their own sexual pleasures.

Midian, the land of the Midianites, did not reside in an area regarded as a natural enemy of Israel for centuries, and in fact lay hundreds of miles away from the Israelite encampment. Moses, himself, had lived in Midian as fugitive after committing his first murder. In short, Midian presented no threat to God's "Chosen People."

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posted September 18, 2011 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
@ MBlake . ("Dirty hands can be washed later") You are impossible. LOL

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If the intent was goodness, the dirt will wash off later.

If the intent was something else, it may stick.

posted September 19, 2011 03:38 AM            

There is no doubt about the suffering of the Hebrews and others pillaged by them after liberation from Pharoah but there is a powerful alternate theory about why Moses botched the job after initial success, and later made amends to an extent.

posted September 19, 2011 04:36 PM            

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Hi Lexx,
We should move the discussion on Moses to "Divine Diversities".

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Originally posted by iQ:

There is no doubt about the suffering of the Hebrews and others pillaged by them after liberation from Pharoah but there is a powerful alternate theory about why Moses botched the job after initial success, and later made amends to an extent.

There is a relationship to Karma too because the question that will arise is whether a Man possessed of a dark Entity outside the Earth's Karmic Fence can be blamed in entirety. The Entity that kept asking for blood.... and ensured that the Hebrews created enormous karmic debts for themselves.

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Originally posted by iQ:

And could have even inspired Pharoah to be a tyrant so that a "need" for liberation arises through a ritual to attract this Entity into Earth's Auric Field?

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Exodus
Chapter 3
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

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Then this contradiction..Lord hardens Pharaoh's heart...then wants revenge for what he did?

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Exodus Chapter 4
4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Exodus Chapter 7
7:13 And he (LORD God)hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

7:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh's heart is hardened, he refuseth to let the people go.

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I could go on..where this "good" god hisses for the flies, admits to creating evil and darkness, appears in black smoke, loves the smell of burnt flesh....
Makes all his prophets be liars, even admits to making them be liars....
so many insane contradictions, so much bloodshed and evil done supposedly by command of this good god and his good angels.
Why do few bother to see this? Are they skipping those bits or what?
He favorite servants and the patriarchs and kings he loved...were murderers, adulterers, drunkards, mass murderers, those in incestuous relationships,...and the list goes on....like AFTER the "thou shalt not kill...this god sends his favorites out to do genocidal mass murdering even of babies. .....and slavery, rape and pillage, tortures galore....and this is good? Lucifer had no part in those bloody sprees condoned and ordered by the so called LORD.

More examples:

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1 SAMUEL

16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

16:16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

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Repeating my previous post here also as it has to do with Moses and his murder sprees.

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Originally posted by iQ:
EMitres, MBlake and Rajji,
Thanks for broadening the points!

I do not know the exact answers to my musings.
Tantriks assert that we share the blame for saving someone without permission, who then goes on to commit crime. According to them, we share a little blame when we are requested for help. I think of the story of Moses. He helped a man who requested help and that man later kills an Egyptian, and Moses has to flee Egypt and live in exile for more than 7 years [Saturn square ].
But had he not gone in exile, he would not have been able to liberate the Hebrews.

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Moses' Mass Murder

"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
Comment

Moses commands the murder of approximately 100,000 young males and, roughly, 68,000 helpless women.

Consider women and children of your own family: No matter how sick they may lay, or how they may go against a religion, how would you feel if a man named Moses, claiming to speak for God, sent men into your house and hacked to pieces the women and male children? Also, how would you react if they spotted a female child, dragged her off with them to do as they please with her? Note that these innocent virgins served for their own sexual pleasures.

Midian, the land of the Midianites, did not reside in an area regarded as a natural enemy of Israel for centuries, and in fact lay hundreds of miles away from the Israelite encampment. Moses, himself, had lived in Midian as fugitive after committing his first murder. In short, Midian presented no threat to God's "Chosen People."

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I find it strange how folks paint that evil man Moses as a good man, and his false god of the second creation story as good.

posted September 19, 2011 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Hi Lexx,
We should move the discussion on Moses to "Divine Diversities".

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