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luisbunuel
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posted October 19, 2012 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read something today; meditation can allegedly be bad for you (sometimes).

It cheered me up somewhat, as meditation is always thought of as this beneficial, can't go-wrong-if-you-do-it activity.

And, I've never got the hang of how to do it, or, how it feels if it's done right.

Are any of you serious about meditation? Do you enjoy it? Or does it make you a little depressed /listless?

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posted October 19, 2012 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reading that meditation is allegedly bad cheered u up?LOL,post that article if u dont mind.

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luisbunuel
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posted October 19, 2012 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! Well, I went to a strict school where praying and meditating were everyday occurrences, so I'm heartily sick of it. As an adult, I made sure I don't go near any of that stuff. But it piques my curiosity when people rave about it!

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posted October 19, 2012 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's an article by Scott Carney - Death on the Path to Enlightenment.

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posted October 19, 2012 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEAH, IT CHEERED ME UP!!!!!!!

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posted October 19, 2012 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah that`s not the kind of meditation I am doing. I would hate it too if it was being forced on me.

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posted October 19, 2012 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article reminds me of how in a certain English village the rate of leucemia of children increased, because so many storks were nesting there that year.

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posted October 19, 2012 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Praying and meditation have to come from the heart and mind respectively. The ones that come out of discipline can be very boring. It never worked for me too. I mean the compulsive one. Sighhh!!

Praying is so natural. Its like asking your mumma or any loving and caring person (if one doesn't have that kind of relationship with their mumma) about something or telling them something. And once you start concentrating on that someone. Its Dhyana (Focus). And when you start witnessing this its meditation. The part where you notice that you are concentrating on this person. You start witnessing your thoughts. How they fly to him. So the one who sees/observes this is YOU. And the proces is happening in your mind+intellect. So when YOU detach yourself from this stuff of mind by observing it, it looses your support and gradually drops off. The moment the mind drops you connect to YOURSELF. This action is the SOURCE OF JOY. This is meditation.
But this path is for the strong ones. Because generally as we try to go in the witness mode we inadvertently get drowned with the thoughts and so flow with the mind.
I have gone through this for years. This is called the Path of Jyana.

What i learnt the hard way by n no of trials and errors is that by losing yourself in this concentration (Dhyana) with love your mind melts anyway and leads to the same connection as i have mentioned above. This is called Path of Bhakti (Devotion). This is far better, i feel, to meditation. . We do all these things so often. Do you have a boy friend? Then you are already learning to love. But doing it for GOD or whatever you choose to call this power or for someone else like a saint who has HIS attributes, leads you close to HIM. And as his basic construction material is the same as yours (purity) it leads you to YOURSELF. Hence Dhyana/Bhakti on GOD/SAINTS is advised.

Its my personal experience that if you leave your intellect aside after the initial basic discernment and use your heart you gradually fall in love, head over heals, and tend to get drunk with joy. JOY permeates your being because you connect to YOURSELF. Its intoxicating. Drugs are like school boys in comparison to this. Meditation is dry only till you learn to love. Once that happens you are finished. Ha..ha... I have given you the statutory warning. Beware of love..... Try loving if you find meditating to be dry and boring. Meditation is a part and parcel of this love business. All the best. This has worst side effects than meditation. Apart from being depressed and listless (this happens more in the beginning, later it isnt that much- as you grow stronger) people may call you mad if you don't try to keep love under the covers. It may pop once in a way anyway and give others a shock or two. Sssigghhh with a grin!!

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posted October 21, 2012 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started to mediate and I hear weird things sometimes. I don't get scared I just think "wtf?!"

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posted October 22, 2012 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes when meditating, my mind's eye will see a place I've "travelled" to before... generally peaceful or relatively alright locations before, only there will be a massive crater/bottomless pit in some of the locations.

Sometimes, it also seems like some large "baddies" will come at me, resembling like a role-playing-game boss, assuming such forms were ever in a game (which I likely haven't played or even exist in existing games). So far, in some of my meditations it's like whatever adversary, for lack of a better term, engages me in battle, is the one exploding in sparks by the end (I am not defenseless when these things come). Usually shifts to like a large hall/temple/star field or something when these show up. A couple of these seem to take place in some area built up of steel, iron, other metal, twisted metals really, passageways defying description... sometimes shifting to something that can only be described as Lovecraftian. And I've never really actually read H.P. Lovecraft.

I have not attempted to just stand there and see what happens when these things show up. Something just tells me that that would be a Very Bad Idea.

Other meditations? Generally peaceful. Grassy plains, forest, desert, ... all over, really. Sometimes in a star field too.

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posted October 22, 2012 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone whom mediates and he said that one time he heard voices saying his name.

My mom was into mediating back when she was a hippy. She fessed to me that she heard voices saying her name too.

Kind of a common thing with meditation?

I've herd screaming shrieking shouting voices once. It was trippy.

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posted November 03, 2012 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curious Bull     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just my ideas based on personal experience over a decade meditating...Healthiness of it will depend on the type of meditation you are doing I would say.

I love buddhist style meditation and combining it with golden light meditations and chakra activations. Which is not strictly traditional.

They teach Zen meditation at the medical centres now to people with terminal illness & chronic pain & stress related illness because it helps them calm down and relax & feel less upset. Feeling calmer & more relaxed is usually good. Zen meditation is just accessing your awareness of being aware... and watching thoughts and sensations with compassion and non-judgment. For more on that you can read any of Jon Kabat Zin's books or audios.

Other meditations that involve spirit guides that human teachers lead you to can be dubious (in my point of view) unless you can be certain the guide is healthy for you. There are entities that mask themselves also, so I am wary. If you want to find out more about that kind of stuff (like the Ayuhuasca meditative journeys) you can read Stuart Wilde's books.


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Originally posted by luisbunuel:
I read something today; meditation can allegedly be bad for you (sometimes).

It cheered me up somewhat, as meditation is always thought of as this beneficial, can't go-wrong-if-you-do-it activity.

And, I've never got the hang of how to do it, or, how it feels if it's done right.

Are any of you serious about meditation? Do you enjoy it? Or does it make you a little depressed /listless?


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