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iQ
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posted December 07, 2012 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karma- The Eternal Mystery: Anonymous Author
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Karma literally means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction which governs all life. Karma is a natural law of the mind, just as gravity is a law of matter'

Karma means not only action, but also the result of an action. Whatever we are going through at the moment is the result of previous actions, not just of this life, but many lives. In short Karma is the sum total of our actions both in this life and in the preceding ones. Nothing happens by accident or chance actions. Everything happens in regular order, the past, present and the future being interconnected and interdependent. Cause is Effect concealed, and Effect is Cause revealed!


Now that brings us to the question of rebirth. Books written by Ian Stevenson, Hiroshi Motoyama, Moody and many other interesting cases strongly suggest that there is proof of rebirth. Every good astrologer himself is proof of Karma and rebirth! Let us examine the theory of Karma and rebirth. You will not cease to exist after death. It is the physical body that dies. The astral body (sukshma or linga sarira) and causal body (karana sarira) continue forth. The causal body has all your Karmas stored in it as seeds, seeds that result in rebirth. As long as man has not exhausted all his Karmas, he has to be born again. All our actions and thoughts become the seeds for our future lives. Karma is at the root of this cycle of births and deaths. Again and again Karma makes us take birth. Countless times have we been born and countless times have we died. Very many wombs have we passed through.

RUNANUBANDHANA:
In each life, we have mother, father, brothers, sisters, spouse, children and so on. We are born in a family as a result of undischarged debts of past lives. Constantly we are creating accounts, debiting and crediting. We are creating Karmic debts with all those with whom we interact. The Karmic debts (rna) lead to bondage or attachment (bandhana). These Karmic attachments pull us into the wheel of existence again and again. runanubandhana (the bond that results from Karma debts) is at the root of repeated lives.

Karma leads to rna and rna leads to Karma. It works both ways. If you have given something to somebody in some life, the memory is stored in your casual body. That person will be your debtor in this birth. If you have taken in the past, it will be taken from you in some birth. The causal body stores the memory of all of one's runanubandhanas of countless births. Till all the karma stored in the causal body is burnt away or exhausted, there is no liberation from rebirth. Human life is nothing but a memory of runanubandhana, the story of the countless karmas that we make, and live through. Every relationship reflects some runanubandhana. The people with whom we have very strong Ruanubandhana become our parents, spouse, children and coborns in this life. The memory of Karmic debts may be sweet or bitter. Sweet memories of karmic debts lead to a `happy' relationship and bitter memories to an `unhappy' relationship. In reality most of the karmic debts are mixed, a mixture of sweet and bitter memories. That is why most relationships are of a mixed nature. I will try to explain briefly two kinds of relationships that are very important: parent/child and love/marriage relationships.

PARENT/CHILD RELATIONSHIP
This relationship is the most important. This is the easiest way to discharge our karmic debts toward one another. Some possible ways in which it works:

i. A person whom you have helped in some life is born as a child, takes good care of you in the present life and discharges his/her debt.

ii. A person to whom you owe a lot in some life may be born as your son or daughter and take back what you owe. Such a child makes you spend heavily on her/him.

iii. A person whom you cheated ruthlessly in a previous life is born as your child and gives you a lot of suffering, takes your money and goes away.
Anonymous - May 28, 2007
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iv. An enemy of some life is born as a son/daughter in this life, in which case, he/she behaves like an enemy, hates you and causes a lot of suffering to you. The spouse, the parents, siblings, friends, servants, all is born in a set up together as a result of runanubandhana.

SEX/ LOVE/ MARRIAGE
Two people can be mutually attracted to one another only if there was some relationship between them in some previous life. When you meet a person to whom you were related in a previous life, the stored memories or the runanubandhana stir up your emotions and you may start “feeling” for the person. In fact sex itself has rnanubandhana at its roots. In countless lives, we would have had sex with many people. Every longstanding relationship leads to certain deep impressions. Any act when done repeatedly can become a habit. Every habit leaves an impression. These impressions are the samskaras, which drive us to act again. That is why we get sexually attracted many times. But if we have no more debt (rna) with the other person, it just remains as a fleeting thought, as an impulse only. But if the runanubandhana is still there, the attraction results in a relationship. Sometimes even if the karmic debt is discharged, still the samskaras (impressions of past acts) drive us to sex. We eventually end up creating a fresh account, a further karmic debt that is not advisable. Somebody who was your mate in a previous life could have come back as your mother, sibling or father. That is how incest occurs! The previous samskaras stir up an over whelming urge to have sex again in this life. But the nature of the relationship, the purpose being different in this life, it only leads to fresh unwanted karma, which is not safe. In the majority of the sexual attractions, it is only the samskaras and not the actual karmic debts (runa) that operate. But if there is any undischarged karmic debt, it results in a relationship of love. When the karmic accounts are settled, once there is no more debt, the relationship breaks suddenly. But if the runanubandhana is very strong, it results in a long-standing relationship like marriage.

This is the cause of every relationship, how it is born and how it ends. But nothing is permanent. No karmic debt can be everlasting. Eventually it has to end, when the debt is discharged, when the account is balanced. In this impermanent world change is the law of life. Countless wombs have we passed through. Innumerable mothers, fathers and wives have we been with. But when a karmic debt is over, the attachment might still be there. We still cling on. When rna (debt) is over, the relationship has to end. But anubandhana (bondage or attachment) might still make us cling to the person. Like the fan that turns for a while even after the power supply has been switched off, the attachment doesn't die for some time. Once the rna is over, nothing can sustain the relationship. Hence any further remnants of attachment (anubandhana) are bound to produce only suffering and misery. In some cases, one of the two people involved grows out of the relationship once the rna (debt) is discharged. But the other refuses to move on, due to the attachment (anubandhana). The second person suffers tremendously because any further attachment leads to misery and suffering only. Sometimes there is bitterness also after separation. This bitterness can sow the seeds for future karma! When the karmic debts are over, when a couple has to part ways, as far as possible, it should be done with the least negative feelings. They should part in an amicable way to avoid further seeds of new karma. Easier said than done. The karma that brings two people together into marriage can also be of many types. I will mention a few below:
i. Bitter enemies are born as husband and wife and always fight, criticize, deceive one another and make their lives miserable.

ii. Two people who have created negative karma between them come back as man and wife and lead a life of suffering together, fighting with one another.

iii. Two people who have created both positive and negative karma between them come back as man and wife and have a mixed life causing both happiness and unhappiness to one another.

iv. Two people who have created positive karma between them in previous lives come back as man and wife and lead a relatively happy life.

v. One who has taken a lot in some life has to give in the present life. In such a case, one of them will always be giving (money, love, care, etc.) and the other receiving.

vi. Two souls who are evolving spiritually come as husband and wife, help each other in their evolution and benefit one another. This is the purpose of marriage.

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posted December 07, 2012 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice piece. IQ, Do you have any thing on physical defects as Karma?

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posted December 07, 2012 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for that IQ, actually have been wondering about it for some time. Anymore info you have on it would be great

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posted December 07, 2012 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel I had alot of karma with a past boyfriend, the relationship felt heavy with responsibility. Learned alot from the man, but glad I was able to move on and find someone who I share more of a romantic bond with

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posted December 08, 2012 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Juni: I had written some snippets in the past about physical defects. They can occur in terms of karma for 4 reasons:
1. Soul Contract of an Advanced Soul: An advanced Soul can be born deliberately choosing defects so that others can earn good karmas by caring for her.
2. Punishment for Infringement: If a Higher Level Soul wants to do a "Neo" and help others escape 3D "Matrix", the 4th D controllers who have access to 3D karmic debts can force these on him so that he is born with defects and cannot do too much damage to the cause of keeping humanity in this "game" of Energy Bondage.
3. Deliberate choice of curious Souls to know what it is like to exist on 3D with defects.
4. Karmic punishment where the defective person may have been responsible for creating such defects in others, and is unrepentant about it.

God knows best.

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posted December 08, 2012 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you IQ. I missed the list before so thank you for having it in one spot

It helped!

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posted December 13, 2012 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fehmina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear IQ,
I read somewhere that it is possible to pay off karmic debt without going through the painful process over and over if you accept and learn the lesson you were meant to beforehand... What are your thoughts on this? I know thats what the purpose of life is, to break that karmic cycle, and obviously its not easy, but how can we break out of specific situations, thats keep on repeating themselves? For me its in love, a certain pattern keeps on occurring and I cant seem to break it, I've tried "acceptance", prayers, and my prayers are usually answered, then why? etc....

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posted December 13, 2012 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Fehmina!
Nice to see a member from Lahore here.

Yes, you are right that the karmic cycle can be broken through sheer will power and Mind Power in accepting with humility the karmic lesson, and then forgiving the one who hurts unconditionally. The next step to prevent the pattern is to forgive ourselves too for repeating the mistakes. Self-Blame and Guilt are like Glue that create more karmic lessons.

In matters of love, there has to be love for your own Self too. This does not mean arrogance or pride in looks. It means accepting your right to have a better man because you honestly feel you deserve him.

Women who get emotionally [and physically] abused make the mistake of settling for less because they feel they do not deserve a better man, that it is their fate to put up with a third rate brute. When you settle for less, you are not loving yourself.

And who is a better man? This definition should also be correct to break karmic cycles. Is the Man with a BMW better than a guy with a 2 wheeler? Only if he earned his BMW through the right channels of making money, than just being lucky. Is the guy with the two wheeler helping out orphans or earth quake victims in his free time? Then he is definitely of higher stature. But if he is fatalistic and is content, without feeling a need to grow in his profession, then he too is undermining himself. If you settle for him even though you are hard working, then at some point the relationship will crumble. The karmic lesson of not loving yourself sufficiently will become a nuisance again.

To totally erase karmic debts, you have to rigorously, objectively and honestly examine your deepest mind patterns. And then strive to change your goals to eliminate all negative views about your Self, and especially the limiting beliefs.

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posted December 13, 2012 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted December 14, 2012 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, iQ. I've already sent the article to friends.

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posted December 24, 2012 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi IQ,


I had a vision of a past life in which I made a vow to be w someone, in exchange for helping out a loved one. In the recall, I was heartbroken and deeply regretted the vow which led to an early death. While the vision greatly shook me, it also explained many things from my current life.

I really wish to clear the chords/karma with this person, but do not know if going back on that old vow will have negative effects? I strongly feel the old ties are blocking my spiritual progress and wish very much to wipe the slate clean and move on.

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posted December 27, 2012 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi PhoenixFire,
The old Vow ends for that lifeline. Forgiving yourself, the loved one and the person with whom you made the vow is the foundation for cutting that cord without any karmic consequence.

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posted December 28, 2012 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, IQ. I'm going to pray & meditate on this starting tonight. I feel the karma has been burned and am ready to move on without this vow holding me back.

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