posted October 20, 2014 07:10 PM            

I've been fascinated by these subjects like New Age, Indigo children and star seeds.
While I definitely do have some star seed-traits, I can't help but feel skeptical towards all this stuff.

I read a book in my own language about New Age, while it was interesting, I had to roll my eyes at some things mentioned in that book, like Anunnaki live in the Moon for example.

I like the idea of New Age and what it wants to accomplish, but it's so hard for me to get into some things in it. When I read that book, it felt two-faced and too much conspiracy theoryish stuff... <__<
It felt so negative, even though it's supposed to be all positive.

For me, it felt like this was the message book tried to deliver:

'We are superior beings compared to 'normal', foolish and brainwashed humans, but still Peace & Luv 4 every1!1!!!'

Also I thought about this.

What does it really matter if someone is star seed or indigo child etc.?

We are still humans now. I don't really believe that only star seeds or indigo children are the 'special' ones that are on some kind of mission. I believe that we are all here to learn, change and grow and have some kind of impact on future.

Another thing.. Indigos are supposed to be old souls, yes? I've often read about how wise and mature old souls are, but indigo children.. Well nicely put they don't sound very mature judging by the descriptions I've read.

Also, I've seen many so-called star seeds on some forums being really nice to each other, but when it comes to society or humanity as whole, they seem just to hate or complain about it..

It's ok to oppose society and not to think like majority, but seriously? Hating and complaining about stuff you're supposed to 'fix' won't lead you anywhere.

It seems sadly that many of them have holier-than-thou attitude. :/ Like, isn't the whole point in that we're all equal?

(Maybe I should just create my own spiritual movement someday like my Sag Pluto and Lilith in 9th conjunct Sag Mc suggest. Pluto is also ruler of my 9th house cusp.)

Lastly, I don't believe that Truth exists when it comes to science, spirituality and religion. I view people's beliefs like opinions.

Now feel free to throw tomatoes on me or something

I apologize if my writing skills aren't good, but it's 2AM here and I'm getting tired.

posted October 20, 2014 07:36 PM            

I can relate. Frankly, I get the feeling from the majority that it's just about ego tripping and trying to prop themselves up in a similar way that others will by claiming to have PhDs or special forces (when they're 17) and things like that about whenever they can to make themselves appear better than others.

And more than once I've been called an Old Soul or Indigo but that was as long as I went along with whoever said that (that is, stroking my ego was my reward for allowing myself to be manipulated and/or it's like girls who are always fishing for compliments by complimenting each other) but the moment I bothered them then I was instantly demoted. One even said it was the role of the Indigo to challenge authority and because I did that I was Indigo...until I challenged HER new age spiritual authority and then I was instantly a "new soul."

I used to be friends with a psychic who learned she had to give fake readings if she wanted to make money at it, and there were 3 primary niche markets. One of the types constantly wanted readings on what old, advanced souls they were, be they from Atlantis or another star or otherwise above the petty masses. They'd pay good money to hear it over and over but not for a real reading (which she was capable of giving). She's come across enough that there must be a viable market for it and thus the books you've read targeting them (and their money).

That said, it's not always about ego. The other alternative (a sizable minority) I've noticed aren't about propping up their fragile egos but instead trying to find out who they are. It's like people who stress on their other labels to better know who they are (though it does sound like putting one's self into a box), or those who just don't want to feel alone. They're so different from everyone around them but if they have a word that connects them to others then they don't feel so alone. Indigo can seem to work as well as anything else, though it's just as illusory in ending loneliness.

posted October 21, 2014 12:41 PM            

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I can relate. Frankly, I get the feeling from the majority that it's just about ego tripping and trying to prop themselves up in a similar way that others will by claiming to have PhDs or special forces (when they're 17) and things like that about whenever they can to make themselves appear better than others.

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That is my biggest problem with this concept as well, a lot of people use it just to get major ego boosts, and seems like they think they're better than 'average human.' What are even the potential bad sides of being a star seed/indigo? Other than being misunderstood by 'normal' people. (Since many indigo bad sides such as over rebelliousness are seen as "good" thing, I won't use it as an example.) Indigos are also known to be empathetic, however, I don't really think stereotypical description of indigo is empathetic, quite rude and cheeky actually above anything.

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One even said it was the role of the Indigo to challenge authority and because I did that I was Indigo...until I challenged HER new age spiritual authority and then I was instantly a "new soul."

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Lol yes, I've known people like that too, they're pretty funny.
I also like to question or challenge a lot of things, but really, how is that just Indigo trait only? Isn't it a somewhat normal part of human nature? Don't 'normal' people have traits like that? Many teenagers are (in)famous for this, aren't they? (Myself included.)

Oh wait, that means... WE'RE ALL INDIGOS!

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I used to be friends with a psychic who learned she had to give fake readings if she wanted to make money at it, and there were 3 primary niche markets. One of the types constantly wanted readings on what old, advanced souls they were, be they from Atlantis or another star or otherwise above the petty masses. They'd pay good money to hear it over and over but not for a real reading (which she was capable of giving). She's come across enough that there must be a viable market for it and thus the books you've read targeting them (and their money).

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Speaking of readings, the author of that book mentioned he actually has 'astrological proof' that he is a star seed, as he had gotten a reading regarding this somewhere. (I found even the site that offers those readings.) He had his chart put up in the book, and apparently his Sag Moon at 29 degrees and some house cusps in the sign of x in the degree of x is proof of that he is a star seed, lol.

He is a Cap Sun/Mercury, however his Sag stellium of Moon/Venus/Neptune caught my attention. I don't really like idea of Neptune in Sag stellium, (never met a person who has this, so can't speak from experience) but I imagine it would be overly idealistic person whose hopes could possibly crash down really fast. (His chart ruler, Pluto, is in 12th as well.)

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That said, it's not always about ego. The other alternative (a sizable minority) I've noticed aren't about propping up their fragile egos but instead trying to find out who they are. It's like people who stress on their other labels to better know who they are (though it does sound like putting one's self into a box), or those who just don't want to feel alone. They're so different from everyone around them but if they have a word that connects them to others then they don't feel so alone. Indigo can seem to work as well as anything else, though it's just as illusory in ending loneliness.

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Those are understandable reasons, sadly this Indigo stuff is pretty misused.
I think that star seeds can be even worse than Indigos when it comes to ego boosting, as they supposedly originate from different planet/star system/galaxy.

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And a nurse who has worked in pediatrics has also noted that some mothers prefer to think of their child as Indigo rather than having a behavior problem (or even mental illness) because that made the mom feel better rather than feeling like a failure (not to say she should feel like a failure but that when she puts unrealistic expectations on herself then she may grasp at something like that to not be dragged down by such expectations). It's not much different from parents who excuse their child's flagrant bullying with "he's just kidding around" or otherwise trying to make it so she doesn't have to get involved.

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I've noticed this as well, it could just feel so much easier and better to many to think that their child is actually special psychic that will change future someday blah blah than that he has a behavior problem.

I don't really get how person(s) with serious issues with authority and/or society can magically change the world. They would only get in trouble with that one unless they learn diplomacy, cooperating etc.

posted October 21, 2014 01:13 PM            

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As for "Anunnaki live in the Moon" I can't speak to your specifics as I don't know which version you've read, but my impression is it's generally not seen as exactly literal...closest to literal is usually they're "out of phase" with our material reality. Another is they're on another plane of existence that is represented by our moon (that gets into some occult stuff).

But daimons have long claimed to be from beyond. Centuries ago it was unknown lands, and then as the world was more explored it was underground lost kingdoms. And then it was the moon or other planets in the solar system (likewise, the fairies then became extraterrestrials or ultradimensionals). As that became unlikely it was changed to the Pleiades and the like. That doesn't mean they're not real (necessarily), and they may not even be lying so much as being misunderstood by our limited minds. A really fascinating book IMO on this topic is Daimonic Reality. Note, I can quibble with it on many things, but still worth reading, IMO.

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Thanks.

The book I read also claimed something like that our Moon is in fact war machine that used to belong to a planet called Maldek, and that that Anunnakis seem literally to live there.

*looks at my location on LL*

I should probably add 'Moon together with Anunnaki'

posted October 21, 2014 07:05 PM            

I've also had a lot of experiences that would suggest something is indeed unusual about me but that just elicits more of a shrug rather than trumpeting it (if anything I'd feel more responsible than entitled and I'd know better than to pull the "I'm older" & "get off my lawn" card on people I was trying to inspire), especially as I don't understand it, nor do I know how many alternate paths of growth there are out there and where everyone around me may be at...and just because I may be far along the path doesn't mean I'm on the RIGHT one (or that there is only one correct path we should all be on) or that I wasn't still learning myself and might need to learn from others, or that if I came here from another world maybe I came to learn FROM Earth at least as much as I came to inspire.

Most people who go on about being a starseed also like to pretend knowledge of higher realities as if they're unaware they could be duped by other forces as well as by their own ego. In contrast, rather than thinking I'm some Bodhisattva-like figure in which humanity is so important and Earth central I see the Earth as a grain of sand in a multiverse more vast & complex than our limited mortal minds can comprehend and humanity a lot less important. Whereas others go on dogma I look at creation (among other things) to see that all is not a dual dichotomy, nor is it all love & light, nor is the "light and dark" separated. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for compassion and the like, but when I contemplate higher entities...well, my attitude is more like this (as opposed to "I'm one of them" or "was sent by them"):
http://youtu.be/ahYNYW484Vc?t=54s

posted October 21, 2014 09:21 PM            

In regards to some of the moon stuff, there is a lot more to it than just being an Annunaki war vessel, but if you don't believe that there is no point going off on a tangent about its real origins. However, there is an African tribe that has ancestral memory of Earth before the Moon was positioned as a (mind-controlling, among other things) satellite to the Earth and quote that "man went mad" after the Moon/satellite was positioned to Earth. Also, if not something funky going on with the Moon, how come there have only been a few landings on the moon ending in 1972 I believe and then all interest in the Moon completely drops? There is something funky about that, I mean this is science obsessed humanity we are talking about who still don't know everything about Earth and are still constantly researching and learning more about Earth but we are just not interested in scientifically ripping apart the Moon as well? There is nothing left of interest for them there? They don't want to take core samples of the Moon etc, learn as much as they can...? Hmmm... doesn't sound like the humanity I've grown to know.

And I don't think all people who find out they are star seeds are obsessed about it in an ego centered, holier than thou way. For me it seems like finding out you are star seed CAN be similar to an analogy of being a foreigner in a country where you don't speak the language and feel very out of place, then perhaps you chance upon someone who is from your home city or country or whatever, it sort of like a familiar feeling, feeling a little less alone or separated. I think this is what helps most star seeds when they find out they are, they have a verification as to why they feel so out of place, or not at home and get a chance to learn about something that maybe brings them closer to feeling a little piece of "home." Whether some use that for ego gratification is their own choice but I don't think all do.

Besides that there is something unnatural about all of humanity. We are not totally of this planet. We are all aliens. We do not follow natures laws as do the rest of the creatures that exist here.

Furthermore, not everything can be concluded by rationality, analyzing, practicality etc. Sometimes it needs listening to the voice within, intuition is just as valid (more so I would say) even though some try to annihilate it, disregard it, scoff upon it etc. If your voice within says it doesn't speak to you then listen to that. No one's trying to force anyone to believe in star seeds etc, but look at all the falsities they try to cram down our throats our whole lives at school etc.

My own two cents. I'm sure it will be torn apart and rationalized and analyzed to pieces by someone.

Anyway quote from Gooberz by Linda in regard to the immature ones, I've quoted it before and I'm sure I'll quote it again:

"..you can recognize these very old Atlantean souls
by their childlike quality, their naivete
their high level of emotional intensity
and lack of worldly sophistication"

"such as...." the text continued

"..such as the man, who sometimes acts so much like a little boy
and the woman, who sometimes acts so much like a little girl
for only those innocent ones- so old in soul
yet so young of heart and appearance.. and behavior
contain within themselves the alchemy for working miracles
of healing the crippled.. returning sight to the blind"

how comforting! I thought
that the druids may have been right!

perhaps the secret of magic
is to truly remain a child- and not be ashamed
in today's snide and sarcastic society
to be considered foolishly immature.. perhaps

this is the way to magic!"

posted October 22, 2014 10:21 AM            

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Most people who go on about being a starseed also like to pretend knowledge of higher realities as if they're unaware they could be duped by other forces as well as by their own ego. In contrast, rather than thinking I'm some Bodhisattva-like figure in which humanity is so important and Earth central I see the Earth as a grain of sand in a multiverse more vast & complex than our limited mortal minds can comprehend and humanity a lot less important. Whereas others go on dogma I look at creation (among other things) to see that all is not a dual dichotomy, nor is it all love & light, nor is the "light and dark" separated. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for compassion and the like, but when I contemplate higher entities...well, my attitude is more like this (as opposed to "I'm one of them" or "was sent by them"):
http://youtu.be/ahYNYW484Vc?t=54s

Besides, if many who call themselves star seeds are right then they should just be patient, the rest of us will catch up eventually.

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I don't think that anyone can wrap their mind completely over higher realities.

Many humans believe and like to think that things are that and this way, but no one knows for 100% sure.

For me, I view religions and people's beliefs like opinions. (I said this already though.)

We don't really know for sure anything when it comes to this stuff, we can just speculate and believe.

posted October 22, 2014 10:59 AM            

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^That is so true.

I have really negative experiences with psychiatry.

You can go and tell doctor that you've been feeling sad/empty/low for a month and they'll give you just medication and depression diagnosis immediately.

I think it feels similar to putting people in boxes.

This is just my experience, though. Some people might have better experiences for sure.

Edit: Many people actually did believe I was depressed just because I was a loner in my previous school.

Psychiatrists didn't actually help me to cure my depression (that kicked in later.)

posted October 22, 2014 02:50 PM            

You made a good point regarding the Moon though, why it hasn't being explored more?

I don't believe that science can explain everything. Or anyone/anything, for that matter.
Whole humanity is tourists on their home [Earth], we can't be 100% sure of anything, because of our lack of knowledge.

Isn't the lack of knowledge actually the reason how religions originated? People tried to understand and come up explanations how world was born and why it is the way it is because they didn't understand it, that's how myths originated.

I mentioned that I view people's beliefs as opinions. (Or maybe a hypothesis could be a better word for this, Idk.)

No one knows for sure are those beliefs/opinions the absolute truth or not. For different people, there are also different definitions about what is true and what isn't. Truth has many shapes.

There are as many truths and realities as there are observers. We all have our own POV.

I personally think that Maldek, reptilians, star seeds and their origins etc. are just another hypothesis.

It's ok for me if you believe in it. But this is how I view it.

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One even said it was the role of the Indigo to challenge authority and because I did that I was Indigo...until I challenged HER new age spiritual authority and then I was instantly a "new soul."

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Back to this PJ's post, I think that some people could definitely consider me as star seed if they look at my placements and hear my back story. (One person IRL has actually considered that, and iQ who is knowledgeable in this subject told me that there is high possibility that I might be a star seed.)

But because I question this subject, those people [who thought that I might be a star seed] probably don't think anymore that I might be one.

Anyway, even if star seeds could be real -

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What does it really matter if someone is star seed or indigo child etc.?

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posted October 22, 2014 08:44 PM            

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Anyway, even if star seeds could be real -

What does it really matter if someone is star seed or indigo child etc.?

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posted October 23, 2014 04:02 AM            

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I would counter that with what does it really matter if someone is black, white, American, Indian, Chinese, Canadian, male, female, heterosexual, homosexual, Aries, Libra, Sagittarius etc? It doesn't really MATTER (and nothing really does in the grand scheme of things) but it helps foster understanding and awareness to know. And I guess humans just like to categorize.

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posted October 23, 2014 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What if a couple has a synastry chart done to see their romantic challenges and compatibility, and one is a star seed and the other is not? What is the astrologer supposed to tell them in how to get along, their challenges, and how they can help each other?

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posted October 23, 2014 07:27 PM            

Again, you don't truly understand me. Will have to try to explain tomorrow.

posted October 25, 2014 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
What does it matter what the astrologer has to say if one or neither of them believe in starseeds anyway?

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I wasn't asking you what I should believe, I was asking what YOU believed. You say we have it wrong about starseeds and that it's not ego and answering this question is your chance to prove it. Not prove that starseeds are real, but prove that it's not about building up your ego at the expense of others by saying how YOU, if you were the astrologer, would answer.

Note, I didn't really challenge starseeds in the other threads, I instead asked questions and make comments that I hoped would inspire others to explain the concept better or clarify thoughts. But in this thread someone said the lack of real answers (and the attitude of many who have the claim) is why she's skeptical and I sympathized in this particular thread.

I have a lot of Libra (loves to play with ideas and weigh them) and Sag (loves philosophy) with a heavy dash of Scorpio (loves to get at the truth and hates superficial answers) which makes me want to know, and my Scorpio Jupiter also loves psychology as well as personal transformations and discoveries. And IF GIVEN A GOOD REASON I will revise my views and opinions, I've done it many times (I used to not believe in astrology, for example, until experimentation made me change my mind), even recently.

I've read much of the Bible and Koran but I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim, despite my sharing a bit about both religions and their specific theologies (both the good and the bad) in DD, and recently I've shared about my research into Japan and Shintoism, but I have no desire to live in Japan (be nice to visit it as a tourist one day but I'm actually not that fond of Japan). I've read all sorts of other religious, ideological, philosophical books (and others) because I wanted to understand their ideas which shape the world I live in...if nothing else I might find a place to stick it in my stories. I've even read the Malleus Maleficarum but don't believe it or want to practice it, nor was I interested in being a Nazi when I read Mein Kampf (and know both the Inquisition and the Nazis would want me dead).

posted October 25, 2014 10:17 PM            

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I think we just truly don't understand each other. I am confused on where you are saying this starseed placement in regards to Libra. Is it because Arcturus is in Libra? Cause I think starseed placements can be found in any sign... Depending on the degree etc.

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You gave an example of astrology signs. Astrology signs have meaning. When sun is in Libra it means such and such modified by the houses and aspects of the planets and asteroids (among other things). While astrologers will quibble over specifics most astrologers will agree Libra has certain traits and interacts with other signs a certain way. And having meaning it can help people relate to one another and deal with compatibility. (If you're unfamiliar with this then read Linda Goodman's Love Signs that explain every sun sign combination romantically and will often also include other aspects that will make a difference.)

posted October 26, 2014 12:00 PM            

I just want to investigate everything throughout, and if I notice holes in some places I'm going to point them out.

I also thought today that if Age of Aquarius is supposed to bring the humanitarianism, fairness, lasting peace, freedom and idealism..

What does Age of Capricorn (that follows the Aquarian Age) bring?

posted October 27, 2014 12:50 AM            

Starseeds identify with being starseeds because they feel they do not fit in with normal human society and have always felt "different", so thus they go searching for clues. When they stumble upon the word starseed they light up because they realize that they are different than many of the other souls on this planet at this time. It does not make them better than anyone else, it simply means they are different and are typically on earth at this time for different reasons than human souls. Human souls have come here to learn and starseed souls have come here to serve and teach, as they have incarnated on other worlds and done all of the learning available here on earth on other planets in other star systems.

It is all about how awakened the particular starseed is. If they are awakened and are acting out the intentions of their higher self and allow their higher self to play a more active role in their lives than their egos, then they will understand that they are not any "better" or "worse" than humans, they simply are not from this planet and feel more of a connection with their star families and home star systems but they have love for humanity and for all things as they understand all things are one. That's the awakened ones. The unawakened ones typically know they are not from here but they are still identified with their ego and their ego rules their life and their decisions and they only use the knowledge of their off-world origins to benefit themselves, which of course the ego playing itself out.

When they awaken they no longer identify with their egos and become much more of service to those around them as their abilities, memories, knowledge, and insight come back to them from their lives on other planets and whatever it is they were doing in between lives.