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Astro keen
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posted December 06, 2014 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many people have the ability to access images, messages either intuitively or through a spirit guide. I would find it amazing and wonderful.

Communication with a spirit is often regarded as suspicious - much has been said about the authenticity of channelled messages - where do these come from; is the source trustworthy. Are we being manipulated by larger forces who use us for their own ends? That is a worrying thought.

Also, does asking for communication only from one's higher self offer sufficient protection? One could of course devise tests or establish a set of markers to identify benevolent forces, who won't lead us astray.

It may be the case that just as we have widely differing opinions of what is best for us here in this world, our guides (or interested forces) on the other side also differ in their views. That would be an interesting complication indeed. And I am inclined to believe that may be the case.

Any thoughts on this?

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posted December 06, 2014 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't it be wonderful if one could access information about how to solve the world's problems - problems of food security, poverty, the environment etc.

I am studying political sciences/ economics / developmental issues and would love to get the 'higher' viewpoint. I want to speak with the knowledge from a higher realm - imagine how motivating that would be. In the first instance, I could state things with a degree of certainty. Always avoiding the certainly of a Hitler or even a George Bush, of course.

It is interesting that whilst there are so many channelled messages about every day matters, love and relationships, there is hardly anything noteworthy on world problems. Neale Donald Walsch's 'Conversations with God, Book 3', is the only one I've read which gives a few pointers.

iQ said that my PALLAS on the Galactic Centre indicates that I should be able to download information from higher realms - well, I would certainly like to make that happen.

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posted December 06, 2014 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Astro keen
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posted December 07, 2014 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Vajra. Will try the book. How fantastic that you receive messages in this way!

Being able to distinguish between intuition and our own meanderings is of course the first step. The next step is to be able to interpret the messages being received. It has been said that these can get distorted when being filtered through the human mind. This may explain the often contradictory information being suggested in channeled books.

Another factor is of course the authenticity (for want of a better word) of the messages being received. I guess all individuals should in time be able to distinguish faux communications from higher self communications.

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posted December 07, 2014 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 07, 2014 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vajra, that was awesome to read. It is inspiring to hear of such experiences.

Yes, your messages must have been from the higher self or your spiritual guides - you were led you to know 'truths' about your personal life. Such messages cannot be doubted. I love the experience with the light. Wow! In some countries these experiences would have resulted in a following .

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posted December 07, 2014 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 07, 2014 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 07, 2014 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vajra, good and sound advice. I would be hugely shielded from making these errors by the teaching in the UK - greatly critical; condemning of past efforts by western institutions - particularly of anything that has a whiff of a civilising mission; mainly marxist; radical feminist; post colonial and much more. It's critical theory at its best to assist one in stepping forward gingerly with humility and care.

Presumably, if one could access advice on how to solve world problems, it would be advice that would meet the approval of my tutors . And yours too.

Will use your phrase in an essay I'm writing - "the grave error of becoming the very monster" that one hopes to defeat . Thanks!!!

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posted December 07, 2014 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 08, 2014 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
And, not to forget, the approval of Krishna as described in Bhagavad Gita; of Vivekananda as evident from his writings on Karma Yoga; of Jesus, who taught to take care of one's own flaws before pointing out another's; and of the Buddha, who cautioned to be aware of all implications when acting, and get rid of attachment to particular outcomes, expectations of gratitude, and the like. They are all in accord with each other in this regard. Can't be coincidence if you ask me...

You're welcome to use that phrase BTW, but I don't know where it's coming from actually, surely not from me!


Ok, back to this...

Vajra, I have an issue with texts that suggest that one must practice detachment, from outcomes, for example. I do believe that the 'detachment' they refer to is an enlightened state acquired through meditation etc. It is a state where one does not cease to feel, but since one's perspective changes, earthly experiences lose their sway over one's emotions. A point of inner stability is reached and a wider perspective enables one to take much into one's stride. We discussed this before, if you recall.

However, to advise anyone to be detached at the outset is asking for trouble. Even if one acknowledges intellectually that, in the time span of many lives, the trials and rewards of this life are not so important, to act without the motivation of wanting to achieve certain outcomes is impossible. To try and practise detachment without enlightenment is asking for psychological mayhem. At the very least, one risks becoming disassociated from one's emotions.

When I read this advice in my teens (be it from Buddha or Krishna) and thereafter, I found it deflating, unnatural and confusing. In fact, I began to avoid texts which propounded the virtues of detachment.

There is one author, Robert Forman, who describes the state of detachment very well - that there is a part of you silently witnessing all. You can hear him speak of it in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOMQ_7NzSBI

He describes it at 11 minutes plus.

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posted December 08, 2014 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 08, 2014 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 09, 2014 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 12, 2014 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would love to hear from anyone who has received communications or has channelled. What was the experience like? Did you have any doubts about the source of the information?

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posted December 13, 2014 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm always skeptical.

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posted December 14, 2014 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But open.

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posted December 14, 2014 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Would love to hear from anyone who has received communications or has channelled. What was the experience like? Did you have any doubts about the source of the information?

I have, but I was on shrooms at the time. Technically, I describe it as "communing with the shrooms" as it felt like an alien intelligence that was counseling me and yet they knew me so well...or more accurately, they helped me to know myself. For example, as I was castigating myself for taking the shrooms "they" told me I couldn't resist, I just had to know, and then evoked many memories of how much pleasure I took in learning, memories I relived in all their glory (from even before I was 5).

And then I wondered, "Why do I hate school then?" (I was 13-4)

And "they" imparted because school was too slow for me, that it wasted my time (and thus prevented learning rather than facilitating it) when I could instead be learning at my own pace (and with this they evoked more memories of the tedium as well as teachers discouraging me from asking questions, questions I could sometimes find answers to in the library).

While I've experienced perspectives from altered states of consciousness (that is without drugs and through spiritual practices) those were still me. The "shrooms" were something outside of me that guided me and were incredibly insightful (and not only into myself but other people, many didn't like that I was replying to their thoughts, when I visited my cousin last month he brought up the time the shrooms made it so I could "read minds" which happened 18 years ago!).

And I have, since then, also experienced (though not in a long while) a "presence (of One and many)" very much like those shrooms in my dreams that were exploring my psyche by putting me through tests in my dreams to see how I'd respond and then change the sitch, which led to some real fascinating dreams. I'm not sure what, if anything, that presence has to do with the shrooms I took back when I was a kid--and maybe that presence has always been there but the shrooms made me aware of them/it for the first time in my life.

Interested?

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posted December 15, 2014 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shrooms talk?

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posted December 15, 2014 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was more of a telepathic communion than hearing voices. English isn't equipped to describe it accurately (or many other mystical experiences for that matter).

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posted December 16, 2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just messin'.

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posted December 16, 2014 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem. I just wanted to be clear.

It's okay if Ak doesn't want to hear about the shroom experience and all. If she does then I'm willing to share but if not then I don't want to go to the effort. It isn't an emotional thing for me, I like trading ideas and sharing experiences. I share so others can learn from me just as I hope to learn from other perspectives in a fair exchange.

When I say "learn" I don't necessarily mean we (me and everyone else) learned the right lessons.

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posted December 16, 2014 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie Jane,

Just saw this! Yes, please tell more about your experiences, including those with "shrooms'. But imagine yourself speaking to the uninitiated - I may need things to be explained in more detail .

I gather from the above that "shrooms' refer to communications you received when not focused on reality (or should I say hampered by reality). I have read a few accounts when LSD and similar were used to induce a spiritual trance. In fact, Barbara Brennan mentions how she used it with a patient in 'Hands of Light'. But then, did these communications continue with you? Did they change in some way?

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I would look at the tone of the message you're receiving.

If it's telling you to do something immoral or just plain violent or harmful or wrong, then yeah, that's manipulative and not coming from a healthy place. That's NOT the Higher Self. It's an unhealthy mental state and you or said individual needs to be seen by a medical professional, or call the police, or if its someone else get your gun ready. That goes without saying.

The HS, in my experience with mine, works to protect you and guide you, and if you follow its directives can lead to saving your life, and/or saving others' lives, or at least saving them from very critical injury. The messages are things to put into practice, things that don't make sense given the situation you're in, but will very soon. It's a question of seconds, not minutes, that can save a life. And the information received needs to be put into practice efficiently and quickly. That's why after my first encounter with my HS, I know to remain *on alert* anytime I receive ANY of its directives.

Other people's experiences with their HS will vary. I can only speak of mine. And so far I've saved the lives of 4 people (incl mine) by following its directives. So yeah. Mine's legit and I don't mess around with it.

And my Higher Self has -never- told me to do anything remotely immoral, illegal, unjust, harmful, etc. Quite the opposite. If there was something trying to give me some strange creepy psychotic message I would quickly send it back to the Hell it came from and not follow suit.

Good luck with getting into contact with yours. I never did anything to get into contact with mine. However, my HS didn't start giving me messages until after I had a Kundalini Awakening in 2000 (my only). Started 4 years later, in fact. They might be connected they might not. I haven't read up on it.

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posted December 19, 2014 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leaving most of the unimportant stuff out I took the shrooms and at first didn't feel anything...but the others on shrooms were watching a movie when a scene made me scream and I realized I wasn't in the right state of mind, a sense of unreality washed over me and I went outside to walk toward the woods in the bright sunlight, and that was when I castigated myself for having taken the shrooms as I was pretty scared.

And that's when the above happened. It wasn't "me" at all, at least it didn't feel like it, it was a presence that was "One and many" (could be my higher self and other incarnations or a Cosmic Mind within a God/dess or all the shrooms that had been used to make the tea I drank or something else entirely). It knew me so well, to my very core.

I kept walking as this telepathic communion continued, it was like my conscious mind was orbiting an intelligence beyond my comprehension (such as it being both "One and many") but it was more felt...I could "plug into it" and it knew me, as I wondered things the consciousness I could touch also received the thoughts and they knew the answer (such as my loving learning but hating school, and with that "knowledge" was memories, some of which I'd long forgotten). There was no voices, it was more a "knowing" that "poured into me" because as I wondered the questions arose in It as well but It knew why and then so did I.

As this happened the mundane scene of the pasture and then the woods turned from one that was mundane to one utterly glorious in its beauty and perfection. Somehow I even made it across both streams (one I crossed with a running jump and the other had a fragile fallen tree that I used as a bridge) without falling in and making it into the woods, probably with a huge smile of joy on my face.

As I came back (I believe I "knew" that my cousin was getting worried over my being gone so long, as much as he could while on shrooms himself) I was tripping out of my skull and my memories are vague at best. I did have some past life memories but they faded and I wasn't even sure if they were mine (I later found out my cousin got me on the shrooms hoping I'd remember past lives as he could recall some even when sober and had some intense ones regarding me). I came in and my MEMORY is that I was replying to what people said (in a very intoxicated way) but they got angry telling me to stay out of their heads. But I swear I recall them speaking out loud. One yelled about how he'd done shrooms several times to have an experience like mine and was angry that it happened to me the very first time I took them (though I'm not sure if he SAID that as I recall or merely THOUGHT it).

A sober high school boy showed up later and was laughing on them being on shrooms and then surprised to see they'd given me some as well...they were complaining about me being in their heads and though he smiled at me I knew he was afraid...I got both curious and mischievous to tease him about what he was thinking and he literally fled as fast as he could run...next day I got a call saying a rumor was being spread that I had a demon inside of me that allowed me to read minds.

I don't recall any more communion...perhaps when around other minds I couldn't hear The Mind of the Cosmos or whatever?

Though one very odd incident that I'd call paranormal is that my arm tingled like it was falling asleep and I shook it to restore circulation and when I did I saw (no one else did) several crackling golden sparks leap out of my hand and fall harmlessly into the floor...save one that fell through my sock and shoe without hurting them yet BURNED...and my foot had been singed! (I've never been able to repeat that ever again.)

More in a bit...

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