posted February 23, 2015 01:28 AM            

Does anyone have any thoughts on souls who are trapped here for reasons that seem to be beyond their control?
Like not just human spirits who are aware that they *could* move on if they wanted to, but human spirits who seem very confused, or so traumatized that they can't seem to move on...that sort of thing.

posted February 23, 2015 04:05 AM            

Like we're generally taught to believe that no matter what happens, if we have enough faith in God, or the Universe, or whomever/whatever we choose to have faith in, that our souls will pass on after our bodies die...

But that doesn't seem to necessarily be the case at all, and I find that terrifying.

Like when people die traumatic deaths, it seems that sometimes they don't even realize that they can move on...and that just feels like adding insult to injury, as though there is no spiritual justice.

I know this may sound either too heavy, or too idealistic...but it's something that I consider often. I sometimes say prayers for the lost souls on this earth (not just people who are still living and lost, but the souls who are stuck in between worlds).

I rarely ramble about these things to anyone, because when I talk about it or type it out, it sounds mental so I generally keep these thoughts to myself.

posted February 24, 2015 01:28 PM            

What I described was how I had missed a bus on Saturday, Feb 21, in the afternoon. Had I not missed this, it could have been possible that I would have been standing there as a pedestrian at the scene of a fatal accident. So tragic... The driver died, and I heard that the pedestrian died on the way to the hospital (but I'm not sure of that).

While I stood at the intersection that was roped off with yellow tape, I had a surreal experience that in a peripheral way flashed me back to the instant when I was having surgery at 4 years old and 'awakened' (under anesthesia) during the operation. I watched a brief part of it, standing behind the doctor. I hemorrhaged and they put me on shock blocks and took me back into surgery. I recall several moments during that-- and one was the terrible pain I felt at another point. (Any wonder why I am nervous around doctors???? Especially in this region, where they are 'known' for making anesthesia mistakes..... get me out of here!!!!! )

That Saturday afternoon, in a kind of surreal state YET FULLY at the same time aware of being at ground-level at the concrete curb, I had (not exactly 'felt', but 'had') a 'prompt' to pray the catholic prayer "Hail Mary"... 3 times I was prompted, then I added the "Our Father." I tried to search-out a "Glory Be" prayer from my memory, but kept getting scratchy 'static' of some Gospel 'Holy Spirit' songs, so I said they'd have to deal with that instead.

What I "think" was happening? I think maybe that soul or (souls) had out-of-the-blue left their bodies, and I 'happened' to be there in that atmosphere. I wonder if there was a link to Catholicism in their background (or if it was just my way to anchor-in what was going on). Maybe they were looking for some kind of step, in order to anchor themselves and make a more conscious pivot into realizing and grounding into what had just happened. When I broadcasted these prayers from somewhere in myself (not the 'usual' place), I wonder if I was being of service, helping them to make that connection to what they needed?

I used to also get awakened during the night with a sense to pray for either missionaries, or for mass bands of souls. A few times I found out the next day that there had been a disaster, major tornado, etc. (a time period in the 1990s for me).

As far as souls trapped here?....

When I think about it, they ARE still alive! But they're alive in a way perhaps they didn't consider before. 'Death' on earth plane (body) is the end of the body but not the higher Consciousness. Conscious states are always aware, but maybe not in the same way we are conscious right now. (referring to personal 4yo direct experience)

I think religion (whatever religion) helps us with (humorously) placing something like computer 'cookies' into the other-world realms. And when a person makes that spirit connection (religion/rituals all kinds, poetry, music, the Beauty of Nature and the Earth), then these 'cookies' become a transfer-reference point, or a pivot-space, when transition into inspiration (or mortal death) comes.

I'm not saying that whatever religion-cookie, the cookie itself, is correct or incorrect--- it's the 'fact' of it. It becomes a type of 'holder' that with practice can expand and become more fully understood. ... A space holder. Not space so much as a seeding that happens WITHIN that realm and becomes 'the story'. I think it helps us with transition spaces.

The arts are VERY important in our lives. Serves many functions at once. I think it may be a solution for some of the addictions to drugs and alcohol. We relax into the realms where we can find solace and relief. So needed by us WHILE we are in the body.

Violets.... I don't think you sound too idealistic at all, or that it was too heavy. I think this is a very important topic! Your sensitive soul is doing a service. This service and Service is very important.

Some people say that there is no conscious Being beyond this physical realm. But wouldn't it make some kind of weird even playful kind of "common sense" to be prepared-- I mean, 'just in case' there IS one? just sayin'.... I don't think it would be a waste of time at all. And it would bring rest-peace, and a stretching of our Human Potential on Earth.

And isn't this so strange to be speaking like this, about in-between worlds. This is a time of such keenly felt direct-losses in this world (the killings, the accidents).

So we have earth, we have heaven (completed transition), and we have the in-between spaces which on their own levels are truly palpable when you sense subtle-energy. It can be unmistakable, sometimes.

Hey, maybe *they* need to set up a meet-up group there for liminals?~~ yeah, like some sort of hang-out gathering group-therapy sessions for them, so they can process their griefs and angers, and move on to complete their transitions and help with the energies here if they were to choose that. The scriptural 'Cloud of Witnesses' perhaps?

Indeed, a spooky topic, but one that needs to be explored?..... Especially in light of the coming Pisces Solar Eclipse at 29.27' on Friday, March 20, 2015. It's in the degree that bridges two worlds, over to the Aries World Point.

This eclipse at 29 Pisces makes some pretty spooky contacts to my own chart. I'm both excited and a weeeee-bit nervous about it, hehheh. But most of all, very inspired and excited. Corresponds to that Pluto-Uranus square... At first that was so harsh on me, but after they peaked, it turned out to be hard just before the hit, then awesomely incredibly full of Blessings for me.

In my last Solar Return chart of May 2014/15, the four major axis points on the chart were at 29+ degrees! IN FACT, the Ascendant of my SO chart IS Pisces 29.36'3". The eclipse North Node will be ON my SR Mars Libra 9.33'14" ... Sagittarius was on the MC at 29.44'36' with Mercury Gemini 29.56' in 4th House ON IC (I have an asteroid there that speaks of binary star system, two suns).

The SR Descendant is Virgo 29.36'3" which corresponds to my natal time-traveling Dr. Who asteroid 3325 TARDIS 29.55.21! .... (In my natal 9th House, in intercepted Virgo, just past my Moon, and within a few degrees of my MC Libra.) O jeez, Middle worlds??? c'mon, even my username is light-bent. I'm real and I'm a mirage! (I love this!)

Soooooo, if I were to suddenly to disappear off the 'net? Then y'all can just start prayin' for me!!!! j/k ~ But seriously, with great Heart, a Right-prayer in highest order is always good, at any time people are prompted to pray. {{ }} )

So yeah, it seems as though we are all cosmically in 'this' kind of in-between forming-moment? ...

(clip) Roommate Agreement 'Time Travel' (Leonard & Sheldon, Big Bang Theory) [0:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qDy0T5WXM

posted February 24, 2015 05:45 PM            

I say a lot of Catholic prayers as well, Mirage. They resonate with me for some reason, although I'm also rather partial to Hinduism as well. But it's considerably easier for me to recite an Our Father or Hail Mary than it is for me to pronounce a Hindu mantra properly.

I just find it deeply disturbing.
The physical plane is so full of sorrow and tragedy, it simply doesn't seem okay to allow that to continue into the spiritual world, after our bodies die.

It reminds me of Deep Red Bells by Neko
Case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie4YrOk39bU&index=5&list=PLDoPCsvzd_uVfPpXxnryA7isfDe-f9spz

"Where does this mean world cast its cold eye
Who's left to suffer long about you
Does your soul cast about like an old paper bag
Past empty lots and early graves
Those like you who lost their way
Murdered on the interstate
While the red bells rang like thunder"

I apologize if this is really depressing, as far as topics go. But this is where my mind dwells, often enough.

posted February 24, 2015 08:35 PM            

Also, in my boyfriends house where I live there is the spirit of an old man that died here (the previous family's grandfather). He is here because he wants to be and he seems quite content. Again, he doesn't cause any problems however every now and then he makes his presence known but it's very innocent. His energy is happy - I think he likes out family, especially my boyfriend.

posted February 24, 2015 09:31 PM            

But some occult traditions describe those spirits in depth and say they're not real spirits but rather astral husks that take longer than the body to fully die (and can even become vampiric in a mindless way to sustain their existence), especially if the person was not prepared for death. The spirit that once animated them like physical bodies is long gone, however.

That made me wonder about how one really knows...and realized that even if there's some life after death it doesn't mean it's permanent. Maybe consciousness can exist beyond death, but that could be only for an hour or so, or maybe centuries and longer. It's a mystery.

As for the dream me and a few had of the murder victim, while it was ghostly there was a mindlessness to her (I thought of her when I read that poem of the phantoms the psychic saw out of body) yet in retrospect I don't think that was her ghost, I think her terror and desperation got absorbed (her blood stains were still on the floor, at least we presumed that after we learned of the death and that the hotel closed down not long after) and those of us a bit more sensitive to the vibrations had dreams based on it that were eerily similar (and though most didn't dream of it, hearing the few of us describe the upsetting dreams creeped everyone else out and we found another floor to occupy, the closed hotel then being a squat that the homeless took shelter in).

I like to think I'm a bit too introspective to get confused like that. And I also like to think (and believe) that I gave a dead junkie's soul peace (the one who put a piece of himself inside me so that I had nightmares of the Vietnam War, and who also took shelter in that closed hotel turned squat, and died there of OD btw).

posted February 25, 2015 12:06 AM            

I think about people like the girl you dreamed about, and it freaks me out. I would not like to be trapped in that sort of state (I understand that you're thinking that your dreams were probably more the result of the residual energy left behind after something so terrible, not her actual spirit).

On the other hand, I suspect that we leave a ton of energy behind when we die physically, because we leave a ton of energy behind even while we're still alive (that seems to be what I've noticed, anyway).
I could entirely see how fractured parts of ourselves might turn into...something that I would probably refer to as a discarnate entity.

Blechh.

posted February 26, 2015 04:41 PM            

Hi Ann, Hi AC! ...

P.J. .... VERY interesting thoughts {as is usual, for you! }.
I'd not considered about souls being more like a 'thought-form' that hung around afterwards.

Is what you're saying that it's like the soul is more like 'a fragrant perfume' that will dissipate over time and be no more?

I find that fascinating to consider.

I know that some people considering suicide want to die with a wish to be able to go out into some form of an oblivion, ceasing to exist altogether.

Do you think that the 'thought-form' theory (or notion that nothing exists before or after) would have anything to do with how unenlightened the world has been? (This is, if we really are/haveBeen in another Dark Age cycle in the cosmos.)

Violets, RE astro.com, I like the article.
Ideas that charts still live after death is truly amazing, yes. I've seen that too, in my own personal research of charts.

posted February 27, 2015 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
P.J. .... VERY interesting thoughts {as is usual, for you! }.
I'd not considered about souls being more like a 'thought-form' that hung around afterwards.

Is what you're saying that it's like the soul is more like 'a fragrant perfume' that will dissipate over time and be no more?

I find that fascinating to consider.

I know that some people considering suicide want to die with a wish to be able to go out into some form of an oblivion, ceasing to exist altogether.

Do you think that the 'thought-form' theory (or notion that nothing exists before or after) would have anything to do with how unenlightened the world has been? (This is, if we really are/haveBeen in another Dark Age cycle in the cosmos.)

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The theory goes that the spirit itself is immortal but there's more than one body that the spirit inhabits. There's the physical body that dies and decomposes. And then there's the astral body which also dies and decomposes. And some add more bodies still, like layers of an onion, but the spirit, sometimes called the Higher Self, is considered immortal, either as an individual...or instead just a spark of God/dess that will one day become fully part of it again (so in a sense the individual doesn't survive at all save as a memory of the divine which had once filled that individual).

posted March 17, 2015 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Should I remove that stuff, Violets? It's no big deal, if you find it too creepy or something, I'll just delete it if you want.

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posted March 17, 2015 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Should I remove that stuff, Violets? It's no big deal, if you find it too creepy or something, I'll just delete it if you want.

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Oh no, not at all!
I apologize for my odd posts and edits sometimes...I start to post something and then think "I might as well just keep that to myself", so I end up with a lot of blank posts.

I thought that what you posted was very interesting, Vajra!
I haven't completely digested it, though, and sometimes it can take a while before I figure out what I want to say or how I want to word it.

posted March 18, 2015 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:

By the way, the Tibetan tradition holds that the very last thoughts one has while dying are immensely important for the spirit to find its way in the afterlife (or towards another incarnation). They advise the dying to fix their thoughts on positive, spiritual things as this is supposed to prevent the spirit from losing its path.

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This is, essentially, what I'm dancing around. One recent Ted Talks video I watched struck me with the words "There is no time to think, no time to pray".

And if there is no one on this physical plane to help guide them to the next, then what...?

We seem to be very much on our own if we die in terrible conditions, with either no one to mourn our passing, or no one to be there to help our spirits along their way.

posted March 19, 2015 03:06 AM            

I believe in reincarnation, and a spiritual afterlife of some sort (which I've always supposed should be comprised somehow of souls and higher beings trying to fight the good fight, so to speak).