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PixieJane
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posted June 29, 2016 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soren, you should update your views on physics. Here's a primer on imagining the fifth dimension:
http://www.quora.com/How-can-I-understand-the-5th-dimension

Put into new age terms, here's a longer explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_RwcGzGurc

He repeats himself a lot, but that's probably for the best given how strange some of the concepts are. He's not sloppy about it the way many YouTubers are, I think he's intentionally trying to get the concept to sink in. I usually listened while either laying down or while doing some mindless chore, but when I listened while sitting at the computer then I'd sometimes skip ahead past the endless repeating. You can also see the wiki on it here:
http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/Main_Page

The point is, it's not some mechanistic universe, that's just the cliff notes because so much is based on that, and the stranger stuff is thought that "one day it will be explained." The summary is that it's actually more like a hologram.

More on that:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/11/physicists-may-have-evide_n_1957777.html

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Physicists say they may have evidence that the universe is a computer simulation.

How? They made a computer simulation of the universe. And it looks sort of like us.

A long-proposed thought experiment, put forward by both philosophers and popular culture, points out that any civilisation of sufficient size and intelligence would eventually create a simulation universe if such a thing were possible.

And since there would therefore be many more simulations (within simulations, within simulations) than real universes, it is therefore more likely than not that our world is artificial.

Now a team of researchers at the University of Bonn in Germany led by Silas Beane say they have evidence this may be true.

In a paper named 'Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation', they point out that current simulations of the universe - which do exist, but which are extremely weak and small - naturally put limits on physical laws.

Technology Review explains that "the problem with all simulations is that the laws of physics, which appear continuous, have to be superimposed onto a discrete three dimensional lattice which advances in steps of time."

What that basically means is that by just being a simulation, the computer would put limits on, for instance, the energy that particles can have within the program.

These limits would be experienced by those living within the sim - and as it turns out, something which looks just like these limits do in fact exist.


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posted June 29, 2016 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a long story, but UFOs (and many "aliens") match the particles of quantum physics, and are recorded the same way (and with the same limitations). But I'm not up to explaining it today. I'm just trying to up the post count, but all the same this is relevant.

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posted June 29, 2016 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
It's a long story, but UFOs (and many "aliens") match the particles of quantum physics, and are recorded the same way (and with the same limitations). But I'm not up to explaining it today. I'm just trying to up the post count, but all the same this is relevant.

hahaha i'll get to what you said. but you're trying to up the post count?? why?? hahaha. i do like extra views on youtube videos etc same goes for here i suppose

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posted June 29, 2016 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend that follows these beliefs. I hate the theory and it seems stupid. I can understand how people could see it "could" work.

I just completely disagree.

But I really enjoy learning about the other dimensions (which I personally believe all exist in one universe, not separate from one another, cause the magical thing about the universe is that everything is connected, there is no one bit of separation, there isnt dimensions that dont effect one another, everything effects one another, if there is another layer, describing it as a layer is just a module for humans to understand, really the layers are incorporated and intertwined and very really not layers just more complex imaginings of the things that are happening in our existence

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posted June 29, 2016 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if you believe this theory, you honestly have no sense of the gradner feeling of the universe. you can actually feel what the universe speaks to you. i dont think you can from yoru posts. im not attacking you. i never could until i had something strange happen. now i can feel the universe. im intuitive.

theres much much higher things going on.

the higher dimensions. metaphysics we barely have a grasp on. if metaphysics is the higher plane to physics, is there a plane that is to metaphysics as what metaphysics is to phsyics? who knows. aliens know.

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posted June 29, 2016 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im still working on my answer

i'll discover the higher realms and tell you guys

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posted June 29, 2016 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the guy has a closed mind, he's not open, he's narrowed down to his beliefs which is normal for most people


he's just claiming a rock might be a universe. he has nothing to prove him wrong so he's going all out like a person of love should do because we need people doing what is possible.

i can just tell by his explaining he's trying to prove something (which is false).

its just wrong.

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posted June 29, 2016 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'll give him credit because we do need people pursueing that theory. we cant sit blindly to a risk that may be there. we have to make sure its not true.

in order to do that we'd have to be open to the possibility

so he's not doing anything wrong.


but the truth is felt strongly

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posted June 29, 2016 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, i just heard this excerpt from

"quantum physics tells us that the sub atomic particles that make up our world are collapsed from waves of particles simply by the act of observation"

can people not think for themselves? just from knowing that us observing an atomic can change its behaviour they have jumped to the conclusoin that there is no matter until we observe it? its saying that everything is waves which have potential of probability so they can behave in random but statistical ways and when we observe them that they are initially not doing anything, they are just waves, but when we observe them, they collapse. hello the universe was working MUCH longer before there was concious observers.

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posted June 29, 2016 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and i'd never consider time a dimension.


so someone cant describe the 6th dimension as multiple times existing at once where you can travel to and from.

time is not a dimension. its just movement.

dimensions are of space.

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posted June 29, 2016 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
all i can say to help is the openining to the viels of reality are upon happening as we speak. its why all the animals are dying. our mode of being is changed to calmness.


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posted June 29, 2016 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and

and if aliens are evolutioning us through vibrations

and its not from the sun cycle


the new age awakening im talking about


then the whole unvierse permits it

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posted June 29, 2016 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i just honestly believed it was from the sun

but then i got this suspicion of aliens being pleased that i did the right thing and obeyed their lie

that they are the ones responsible!! for the shift of awarenes


i know im just being delusional. it happens for some reason.

But im just tackling the risk like i said above.

Just so the aliens dont think they out smarted me. I mean im sure they are peaceful. It was just a delusion i had where they were pleased with me that i could feed loving lies to reality.

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posted June 29, 2016 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe there are edges to the universe, I believe the universe is infinite.

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posted June 29, 2016 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
basically we have to open our eyes mind a little to understand how everything exists

i just thought about what i said above: time is merely movement. the theory goes for existence is initially there was nothing. complete emptiness. yet something caused a little tiny bit of movement. vibration. this is where we have to keep our minds open more about what is possible for existence to be able to do. these VIBRATIONS with the working of existence Actually DISTORTED the emptiness and waves appeared and we know that waves can change forms to atoms and electrons.

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posted June 29, 2016 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so sulky archer to, if initially the "GREAT EMPTINESS" which theoretically ONCE existed, I DO believe, that this emptiness, would exist EVERYWHERE at once!! WOW!! so VASTLY infinite to exist FOREVER, and these RIPPLES OR vibrations in space, MADE ENERGY EXIST, EVERYWHERE

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posted June 29, 2016 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aliens can verify it. i wish they would tell us!! infinite universe? i can kind of fathom just now, WOW!

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posted June 29, 2016 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
so sulky archer to, if initially the "GREAT EMPTINESS" which theoretically ONCE existed, I DO believe, that this emptiness, would exist EVERYWHERE at once!! WOW!! so VASTLY infinite to exist FOREVER, and these RIPPLES OR vibrations in space, MADE ENERGY EXIST, EVERYWHERE

It's just a guess, soren. Could be wrong. I just like to think, sometimes.

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posted June 29, 2016 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
but you're trying to up the post count?? why??

Because it seems to be of concern that LL is being slow right now. It was an impulse of mine to post more, though I normally like to think about it more or have a better reason than "just because." And given things going on in real life right now, it's very difficult to that as much as others would like, but I thought I'd give it a try.

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posted June 29, 2016 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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he's just claiming a rock might be a universe. he has nothing to prove him wrong so he's going all out like a person of love should do because we need people doing what is possible

No he didn't. He instead described OBSERVATIONS.

Yet he did apply them as why he thinks some mysterious phenomenon happen, which is why I shunt him with the new age, though the label new age doesn't perfectly fit him (at least not what I've seen so far), but it's close enough for me.

I'll add that a friend of mine used to be a physics major, but having been raised in a mystical family that expects miracles she was familiar with that, and also read up on a lot of paranormal lore in her youth. As she took classes in quantum mechanics and the like, the similarities struck her (including between particles and UFOs) so she began to open dialog with parapsychologists and dabbling in all that, not to discredit it, but just out of curiosity to see if there was a connection. To dare do that essentially ruined her reputation (though everything that happened is more complicated than that).

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posted June 29, 2016 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
time is not a dimension. its just movement.

dimensions are of space


Now who's being closed minded?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space

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In modern physics, space and time are unified in a four-dimensional Minkowski continuum called spacetime, whose metric treats the time dimension differently from the three spatial dimensions (see below for the definition of the Minkowski metric/pairing). Spacetime is not a Euclidean space.

Granted, you're perfectly free to think what you want, but that doesn't make you an authority who gets to define the terms for everyone else, nor can you tell people what effect such beliefs have on them just because that's the effect they have on you. And just becomes something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's wrong.

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posted June 30, 2016 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Now, the final step. Take the non-infinite cube and extrude it in yet another direction perpendicular to the first three. But how can we do this? It is impossible to do within the restrictions of the third dimension (which will I refer to as realmspace in this webpage). However, within the fourth dimension (which I call tetraspace), it is possible. The shape that results from this extrusion of a cube into tetraspace is called a tesseract, which is a 4-hypercube. All tesseracts differ from other tesseracts in size by four measurements (equal to each other within a single tesseract) - width, length, height, and a fourth measurement, which I call trength. Looking back to the previous n-dimensional cubes, they all have the same trength, which is infinitely small. Just like the cube and square, all of the edges within a single tesseract are the same length, and all of the angles are right angles. If you expanded the tesseract infinitely, it would cover four-dimensional space.

The image you showed me is basically what I thought was theorized to be true. I just dont think you need time for a dimension to exist. Time is movement inside of a dimension. 2D objects moving exist for a length of time.

The quote I put above just showed that the guy never mentions time. He says another direction that we can't really fathom.

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posted June 30, 2016 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also there is no proof for this "other'' direction. In fact, if you look at an electron, our placed theory on the 2nd and first dimensions are just constructs we made. Really everything may just be 3rd dimensional. Electrons.

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posted June 30, 2016 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It mentions what I just quoted and you said was Euclidean space, but the Minkowski Space incorporates time. That's all.

No disagreements.

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posted June 30, 2016 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else?

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