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Shulia
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posted September 23, 2017 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shulia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this topic is very delicate and sensitive. I would agree if whoever who answers can show first of all sensitivity.

As I read in stars signs Linda's opinion about abortions is that is it in fact an act against nature but not murder. Its a waist of nature's energy and a waist of a creation of a body.

My mother had an abortion when she was teenager and felt so guilty all her life. Then she had 3 children but she still think she will get bad karma and even confessed that to me crying in a therapy we were doing.

She have been best mum ever, so dedicated and caring so I wonder which bad karma can she get for something she did as a teen out of fear.
I guess if she had to learn a lesson about motherhood she learnt that in this life by the 3 children she had later.


So as an act against nature, I wonder which bad karma can she get if she truly regrets about it.
As Linda says some karma goes away when we ' learn the lesson'.


So I don't know ... diferent spiritual traditions says diferent things about the topic.

But if its not murder and the person we are speaking about its someone like my mum I wonder which bad karma is she suposed to get.

I will apreciate the answers of people who knows a bit about it.

Thanks you so much!

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anonymidarkness
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posted September 23, 2017 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about karma and all that but personally I think its a far better option than giving birth to a child and giving the child a slow death. If the mom wanted to abort in the first place, I doubt she'd welcome the child with arms wide open, not in most cases anyway, somewhere deep down there might lurk a regret of having given birth and even if the mom might try her best to nurture the child, it can still show up unconsciously, deep down she might hate the child.

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PixieJane
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posted September 23, 2017 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My view on karma is shared here:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/truth_is_scary/a-lesson-in-karma-robert-anton -wilson/222881601113011/

Relevant part:

quote:
Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to “stop the wheel” is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called “the horror of our situation,” you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying


That is to say I don't see it as a force that rewards and punishes by human standards. Sometimes, it's the innocent who are harmed the most because they're not watching their backs like those willfully doing wrong and worry about retaliation, justice, or other consequences. This view scares and distresses many people which is why it was changed to something less scary and more moral in the human sense.

I don't think your mother has anything to worry about karma-wise over this, other than what she inflicts upon herself (which could follow her into another life).

Interesting enough, I knew an asexual woman who made the choice never to reproduce who panicked as menopause set in, an urge to have a child fast, if possible. This is because she was raised to think of women as breeding machines, and she even quoted a Bible passage that said by having children a woman is saved, and she was afflicted with irrational fears of being sent to Hell for not having a child. She knew it was irrational, but it was there all the same. Doesn't mean she was actually heading to Hell or failed her purpose, it was just struggling with the programming that was put into her growing up.

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Lexxigramer
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posted October 02, 2017 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shulia
I do not feel your mother is guilty of anything.
What was done is done and I am sure her reasons at that time were more than justified.
As for Karma;
I do not believe she has to worry about that.
I have drafted a very long reply to you but it is very long and concerns lost pregnancies of any kind;
and my theory about when a soul enters
the foetal body;
with reasons that also sync with
Astrology and Astrological signs concerning the "quickening".
Also some Lexigramming concerning Abortion/Abortions and Linda's take on the issue and my take on her analysis.
I need to check it for typos and cogent wording.
If you want me to post it all;
then kindly give me time to hone it all.
Much is copy cut paste from old posts but I wanted to make a more condensed and easier to read version of it all.
Let me know if you want me to post it here.
And again;
no;
I do NOT feel your mother has any bad Karma or any punishment coming ever for her terminating a pregnancy.

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Lexxigramer
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posted October 02, 2017 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I don't know about karma and all that but personally I think its a far better option than giving birth to a child and giving the child a slow death. If the mom wanted to abort in the first place, I doubt she'd welcome the child with arms wide open, not in most cases anyway, somewhere deep down there might lurk a regret of having given birth and even if the mom might try her best to nurture the child, it can still show up unconsciously, deep down she might hate the child.
I agree.
Seen that too many times.
Even when the mother tries not to resent having a child she did not want;
and tries to be a good mother;
yes;
that deep resnentment comes through sadly in many ways from very subtle to nightmarish.
Neither is good for the child or the mother and can wreck both lives in and degree of ways.

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Lexxigramer
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posted October 02, 2017 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PixieJane
Great reply!

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Jovian
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posted November 11, 2017 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had an (early term) abortion when I was 21 years old. I in no way felt "guilt" at the time, as if I was killing something. And i have never regretted it since. That was over 20 years ago.

...But I came across long ago the concept that the soul generally does not enter the fetus until late in the pregnancy...in the range of the last few months of pregnancy, to even a few days after birth. It may check in and out of the womb earlier, but it doesn't choose to take permanent residence in it's physical body until then. Before that time, the soul may still reconsider and determine that this particular woman, as a mother, would not be ideal for its current growth goals. (In that case, if you don't have another soul eager to jump in to the fetus, there might be a still-birth situation--which of course may be just the life experience the birth mother was meant to have, anyway.)

This view has always felt correct to me--perhaps something I always "knew" within myself.

Interestingly, scientists say that the average time of brain activity beginning in a fetus is around 30 weeks--sometimes earlier, sometimes later; corresponding to the time the soul is thought to enter the fetus.
http://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html

The rabid, overwhelmingly male, anti-abortion hounds trot out the claim that the fetus can feel pain. As the above article describes, while the neurological pathways are indeed developing that allow the body to feel pain, the brain is not fully aware of and responsive to it until around that 30 week mark.

It seems sadly primitive to me that the dominant cultural view still holds this juvenile view about abortion; and for lack of a mature view about birth control we have a society full of unplanned-for babies born to ignorant, guilt-induced young women, ill-prepared to care for them, physically or emotionally; and they and society suffer accordingly for their choices.

Not that abortion, as it is generally offered in a clinic, is an ideal form of birth control. But again, our current societal maturity level does not allow more rational, simple methods of birth control to be easily taught and freely accessible and encouraged to those who most need it.

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Randall
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posted November 12, 2017 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 13, 2017 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm torn in both directions.

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posted November 18, 2017 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not saying it's okay to just abort babies at one's own wish/will, whenever, wherever, they want.

I'm just saying that people have their reasons for doing things. What if the mother doesn't have enough money to raise the child? What if she wants to save the child from a bad reputation, because the father was a bad person?

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posted November 19, 2017 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's tough.

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Randall
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posted November 20, 2017 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adoption?

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posted November 21, 2017 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I try to see both sides.

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Randall
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posted November 22, 2017 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I am pro life.

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Sulkyarcher
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posted November 22, 2017 04:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
But I am pro life.

Me too.

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posted January 29, 2018 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Me too.

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posted September 16, 2018 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
#unbornlivesmatter

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posted October 14, 2018 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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