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Topic: Nutrition For Pets!
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 28, 2001 02:56 PM
 
All-meat diets are not good for dogs, because the calcium/phosphorous ratios are wrong and there are insufficient amounts of A, D, and E. Still, never supplement your dog's diet with A or D. And niacin makes dogs very uncomfortable. Surprisingly, milk is good for dogs, but can cause upset stomaches, so yogurt and cottage cheese are ideal. Cooked eggs are a great food for dogs! Puppies need fats in order to have healthy skin and hair, so mix a spoon of safflower or corn oil with their food each day. Worried about fleas and Spiritual Protection? Feed your dog (and cat) Brewer's Yeast mixed in their food. Fleas hate the odor! And it's very healthy for your pet! Unlike humans, dogs and cats manufacture their own vitamin C.Cats are very special animals. They require large amounts of protein. Milk, eggs, chesses, and all meats are great food sources; however, cow's milk is insufficient for a growing kitten. Kittens should be fed dried powder milk at twice the ratio recommended. Cat rhymes with fat, and they need LOTS! Feed your cat all the fats that you try to cut down on. Bad fats are good fats for cats. The good fats hurt cats by blocking the absorption of vitamin E. Cats need high amounts of vitamin A. Unlike dogs, cats cannot form vitamin A from carotene, so cats need liver or other organ meats at least once a week. Red meat tuna or all fish diets can cause vitamin E deficiency. B vitamins are important also, and raw fish can destroy B vitamins. Cats need twice as much daily B vitamins as dogs. Cats can be fed carbohydrates (and will use them for energy), but they don't need them. WOOF WOOF, MEOW MEOW! ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 24780
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 28, 2001 08:21 PM
Kittens need milk, and as is so often done in in the real world, kittens are taken away from their mother very early on in their lives, so we tend to replace the mother's milk with cow's milk. This is insufficient for a growing kitten. A double mixture of powdered milk is not a substitute for mother's milk, but it is marginally and minimally acceptable. MEOW!  ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 28, 2001 09:46 PM
Cool thread  Thanks for the info. Just never understood (I say this as my German Shepherd/Husky walks up to me) why we feed animals stuff that is good for us. All this crud out there like "Fancy Feast" for the pampered cat, and dog food filled with mostly grain. I don't know, but it doesn't seem what dogs and cats are supposed to naturally have. I think they hunt for what their bodies need. Ever seen a dog or cat attack a rice field? Didn't think so. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 24780
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 28, 2001 11:59 PM
You are too much, Goober!  ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 01, 2001 12:23 AM
Randall...something I have noticed from having cats, is my older ones tend to love cooked carrots. Also there is something in tomato sauce they crave. As for the milk, condensed milk works great. It doesn't seem to upset their tummys. I give my older ones more milk as I also think they need the calcium. Right now I have all four cats on the bed with me (either is it cause they can't bear to be parted from me or the electric blanket...knowing cats, it is the electric blanket) I think dogs need a more diverse diet as they are prone to forage more than cats...cats were almost stricky meat hunters...unless it is grass. Speaking of grass...ever notice they will eat the grass. Wait hours and hours until they are back inside and on the carpet, not a smooth floor, to 'up-chuck' the grass. Must be a cat thing   ------------------
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YIVY
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 01, 2001 10:27 AM
Hi, YIVY! Sardines are a good source of calcium for cats (or any bones, like in catfish). I have always fed my dogs chicken bones (despite the warning from other people) and have never had any trouble. Cats need vitamin A for their eyes, but I have never heard of cats eating veggies before! STRANGE! Cats eat grass to help them cough up hairballs. Large cats in the wild eat leaves (when grass is not available) for the same purpose.  ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 24780
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 01, 2001 10:29 AM
Hi, YIVY! Sardines are a good source of calcium for cats (or any bones, like in catfish). I have always fed my dogs chicken bones (despite the warning from other people) and have never had any trouble. Cats need vitamin A for their eyes, but I have never heard of cats eating veggies before! STRANGE! Cats eat grass to help them cough up hairballs. Large cats in the wild eat leaves (when grass is not available) for the same purpose. ------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 24780
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 01, 2001 10:30 AM
HICCUP!------------------
Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 01, 2001 05:53 PM
Yes, cats do eat veggies...once I dropped a piece of steamed cauliflower on the floor and I almost had a 'cat fight'. You think that is strange, my step-daughter's cats bug her something terrible when she makes a salad...they want the raw bellpepper.. Oh, yes, dogs eat chicken bones with no trouble. All my dogs did. I think a dogs main aim in life is to see how much they can eat before they pass on. It is foremost in their thoughts at all times... ------------------
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YIVY
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thegreyone
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From: St. John's,NF,Canada
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted July 02, 2001 08:13 AM
Just wanted to bring this thread to the top for HQE.I have often had cats that would eat corn, and I had one that was absolutely freaky for peanut butter. ------------------
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Randall
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Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 11, 2002 09:08 AM
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"It is never too late to become what you might have been." George Eliot IP: Logged |
Elaine
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From: Cobb, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted June 09, 2002 01:53 PM
I have 6 dogs, a mother and five of her pups. Mom is 6 1/2 and pups are now five years old. Since they were born and before, I have followed the advice of Dr. Richard Pitcairn in his book "Natural Health for Dogs and Cats" and also Martin Goldstein, D.V.M. in his book "The Nature of Animal Healing"
I feed my dogs all human food - 1/3 to 1/2 chicken, beef or turkey burger, the rest a variety of rice, grains, carrots, yams, green beans, zuccini, spinach, sunflower seeds, brewer's yeast, bone meal, Vit. c and calcium powder, kelp, milk and eggs.
My dogs have beautiful shiny coats with no body odor or itching. We don't have any fleas and I have never given them a bath and I brush them every day. Their teeth are still white and beautiful, their dispositions are calm, responsive and very smart. Mother is a Border Collie, dad was shepard mix. When they were pups and in training, I used Flower Essences sextensively for barking, trauma, behavior problems and fright. For cuts, sore paws or foreign objects in their ears, I use herbal oil only. It softens the foreign matter and soothes the ear and paws. The dogs lick the paws until they are well, usually within 2-3 days.
If you want a healthy pet without drugs or trips to the vet, I invite you to read these books and try this diet on your pets. You will be amazed at the change in their overall health. Good luck!1------------------
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Caileah
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From: The Milky Way
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted June 09, 2002 02:26 PM
Elaine~ Sounds to me like you have your Gods (..oops, I mean Dogs  ) on a great program. And...   !!! WELCOME !!! My little God, Madonna, LOVES fruit and vegi's so much that now, when I prepare any for mysElf, I make her a serving as well - and she scarfs it up ! I have only found two things I eat that she won't - walnuts, and fresh spinach leaves. She loves grapes, but I have to break them for her, or she doesn't seem to know what to do with them  The other day I spilled some uncooked oats on the floor - she didn't rest until it was all gone - so she got a treat for cleaning up my mess - a baby carrot - she LOVES those! ------------------
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Elaine
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From: Cobb, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted June 09, 2002 09:00 PM
Hi Caileah, Good to hear from you and your God in dog form!! Great for you to feed her whatever you eat - of course, no sugar,etc. My dogs have always loved walnuts, but they want them in the shell. Somehow, they can break them open and find the good part and leave the rest. It makes a mess, but it gives them some good chewing to do. I heard of a dog raised on a walnut orchard who would eat 10 to 12 pounds of walnuts every day!!
Ont thing I forgot that I always give my dogs before their dinner is a raw bone - it supposedly stimulates their digestive juices and gets their stomach ready for dinner!! I use beef rib bones or pork neck bones or even ham shanks. Good luck with your wonderful God/dog. Love, ElaineIP: Logged |
NikiSpeedy
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From: NC
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted September 13, 2003 12:34 AM
Yivy -- I had a cat once who ate tomato sauce too. Seemed to crave it. I had to finally put her down in April of this year at age 18.I took in a stray a couple years ago. His name is Speedy -- he my honey boy -- lol. Just last week at the grocery store, i decided he needed a couple cans of sardines. Glad to read this thread and know that i did a good thing -- tho i have already seen him eat with gusto. Lol -- he just came by and rubbed against my leg -- knew i was talking bout him i guess. IP: Logged |
alchemiest
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted September 30, 2003 04:31 PM
Bear loves butter, milk, cheese, dairy products in all forms, actually (although he ain't too crazy about sour yoghurt! ) He gets very sulky without his morning bowl of milk, lol! He's loves indian bread, 'roti' with lots of clarified butter on it, also horse grahm(?) and white bread. Not too keen on fruits though... I heard butter was very good for the upkeep of dogs' coats. Bear's got a lovely coat, so I guess it works IP: Logged |
spiria
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From: big 'ol Tejas
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted October 02, 2003 12:18 PM
yesyes, my doggie moose would devour a field of carrots if she came across it..she also loves peanut butter, tomatoes and celery!!IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted October 02, 2003 02:48 PM
Welcome!  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
TINK
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From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 02, 2003 07:52 PM
Hey Randell, thanks for the info. I've wondered about this sort of thing since reading Linda's 'An Apple a Day" section. My feline-type friend Benjamin and I thank you. I will look for those books Elaine mentioned. Do you think it's possible for the carnivore type digestive system of a animal to evolve into something better able to consume a vegetarian diet? Maybe it works both ways. If humans continue on a meat based diet will our digestive systems someday evolve (devolve?) into something else?
BTW Benjamin adores peas. Could easily eat half a can.  Go figure.IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted October 03, 2003 01:05 PM
I think so. And with the right nutritional supplements, I think dogs can easily be vegetarian. Linda's Bear and Benjamin were both vegetarians. ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Moderator Posts: 3638
From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted December 03, 2003 09:59 PM
 Wow, I guess I never saw this thread before. Since I had lost several of my pets in the past 2 years, I have learned to feed only QUALITY pet food. Food that is "human grade". I used to think Iams was very nutritious but it isn't. Now we feed our dogs INNOVA. We also supplement with "Missing Link" which is a vitamin/fatty acid supplement. I also supplement with Seacure, which is a white fish protein supplement for humans and pets. I also now subscribe to Whole Dog Journal which is wonderful.
Since I got my new puppy, I bought her a Sense-ation collar, and a Martingale collar. These are the newest and most humane collars today.
If anyone reads this, please consider buying human grade quality food for you pet.
Some good brands are;
Innova
Flint River
Canidae
They usually can be bought from either a Vet or specialty feed store.  IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Moderator Posts: 3638
From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted March 19, 2004 10:19 PM
Randall,I finally just re-read this thread and it's very good. When I adopted my puppy last year, the breeder gave me some puppy kibble, a can of carnation evaporated milk, and believe it or not, a can of  cat food! I thought, "okay". Went home....... why am I feeding cat food to a puppy when they make puppy food? So I didn't continue the evaporated milk nor the cat food, (after those cans were finished). Soon after switched to Puppy Innova. IP: Logged |
mortega
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Registered: Jan 2003
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posted June 01, 2004 05:54 PM
Anyone ever seen this:
http://www.veganunlimited.com/dogs---cats-food.html I'm about to start my cats on some of this food and see how they like it. Call me strange! IP: Logged |
purplezen
Knowflake Posts: 888
From: outer space
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 01, 2004 07:56 PM
Thanks for the info Randall. Milk does tend to upset my dogs stomach, but he sure loves cheese and eggs.  IP: Logged |
Virgo-AriesArtist
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From: USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted June 02, 2004 11:38 AM
We used to feed our black lab mix, Buddy Bruno, milk when he was real little cause he loved it, until we realized it was the cause of his foul-odored gas... Dairy just upsets his tummy way too much for us to let him indulge in it.He and lil' sister, Cocoa Puddin', a chocolate lab, absolutely adore Peanut Butter. We were told by a pet store person that it's a good thing to smear inside the "Kong" toys that have the hollow center for treats. Trying to lick the peanut butter out of the center will amuse both pups for hours on end, and keep the yard peacefully quiet... ------------------
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As if they were someday to hate
We hated gently, carefully
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