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juniperb
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posted April 13, 2004 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Research: Pig Manure Can Become Crude Oil

URBANA, Ill. - A University of Illinois research team is working on turning pig manure into a form of crude oil that could be refined to heat homes or generate electricity.


Years of research and fine-tuning are ahead before the idea could be commercially viable, but results so far indicate there might be big benefits for farmers and consumers, lead researcher Yanhui Zhang said.


"This is making more sense in terms of alternative energy or renewable energy and strategically for reducing our dependency on foreign oil," said Zhang, an associate professor of agricultural and biological engineering. "Definitely, there is potential in the long term."


The thermochemical conversion process uses intense heat and pressure to break down the molecular structure of manure into oil. It's much like the natural process that turns organic matter into oil over centuries, but in the laboratory the process can take as little as a half-hour.


A similar process is being used at a plant in Carthage, Mo., where tons of turkey entrails, feathers, fat and grease from a nearby Butterball turkey plant are converted into a light crude oil, said Julie DeYoung, a spokeswoman for Omaha, Neb.-based Conagra Foods, which operates the plant in a joint venture with Changing World Technologies of Long Island, N.Y.


Converting manure is sure to catch the attention of swine producers. Safe containment of livestock waste is costly for farmers, especially at large confinement operations where thousands of tons of manure are produced each year. Also, odors produced by swine farms have made them a nuisance to neighbors.


"If this ultimately becomes one of the silver bullets to help the industry, I'm absolutely in favor of it," said Jim Kaitschuk, executive director of the Illinois Pork Producers Association.


Zhang and his research team have found that converting manure into crude oil is possible in small batches, but much more research is needed to develop a continuously operating reaction chamber that could handle large amounts of manure. That is key to making the process practicable and economically viable.


Zhang predicted that one day a reactor the size of a home furnace could process the manure generated by 2,000 hogs at a cost of about $10 per barrel.


Big oil refineries are unlikely to purchase crude oil made from converted manure, Zhang said, because they aren't set up to refine it. But the oil could be used to fuel smaller electric or heating plants, or to make plastics, ink or asphalt, he said.


"Crude oil is our first raw material," he said. "If we can make it value-added, suddenly the whole economic picture becomes brighter."


Do you think the big companies will allow this to develope?

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Eleanore
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posted April 16, 2004 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think the big companies will be too interested in this. And what about all the poor little piggies that will be pooping for profits?

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posted April 16, 2004 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Poop is big profit Generally it`s the dairy farms et el that sell their poop as a side business I sell llama poop as it`s a high quality , nonammonia (raw)or compost product. The sale in turn buys the hay used to feed the four leggeds over the winter. A nice way for the llamas to help earn their keep To eat is to poop and to poop is to eat so to speak.

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posted April 16, 2004 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message

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posted April 16, 2004 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
pooping for profits

to eat is to poop, and to poop is to eat ~ that's very Zen, Juniperb

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posted April 17, 2004 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message
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posted April 17, 2004 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message
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posted April 17, 2004 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Hi teaselbaby My back is improving. It`s a slow go but I`m sticking with the program! Thanks for asking
How are your four leggeds doing?

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posted April 17, 2004 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Gotta make a buck somehow

Eleanore, have you ever been down wind of a pig farm ? I tell you, I`m praying for the manure fuel so they`ll empty out more often and quit liquifing it and spreading it all over their fields... peeyyyuuu, it enough to burn your nose hairs to a crisp.

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posted April 17, 2004 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Teaselbaby, um, er, you did ask didn`t you? I swore I saw the question....

Ah, maybe spring has just went to my head

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posted April 18, 2004 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
No, juniperb, I've never lived near a pig farm and I'm really sorry that you have to smell that. It must be awful.
My initial gut reaction was just to feel bad for the piggies. I do think the waste from "livestock" should be managed a whole lot better ... it is quite awful for the environment the way a lot of these farms dispose of the waste and byproducts.
I guess this is going to sound wrong to some people, and I really don't wish to offend anyone, but I just kind of hope that animal-eating will taper off ... so that one day it just doesn't happen anymore. I'm afraid that if people become heavily reliant on animals for something as invaluable as fuel, then it'll be just another excuse to keep animals for food. There are plenty of other options for fuel, like wind and solar ... even taking Tesla seriously ....
That's just my wish for the world. I'm really not trying to make this into an vegetarian vs. meat-eater thread. I'm not trying to force anyone to stop eating whatever they want ... it's just my idealistic dream for the future ... however near or distant it may be, regardless of how unrealistic it may seem to some.

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posted April 18, 2004 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message
Hi juniperb,

I did ask, then edited it out ~ I thought maybe I should ask in your thread in the Health forum (I forgot to bump it up though). I've been really tired, dealing with insomnia for the last five days, so I'm feeling practically brain dead at times (case in point: I just tried to make the brackets work by hitting the space bar, rather than the shift button, and wondered what on earth was going on ~ I did it more than once ). The animals are all doing fine, thank you, we had a scare with our budgie, but he's doing a lot better now. I'm glad your back is improving.

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posted April 18, 2004 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Eleanore, yup, pig poop smells bad but I sincerely prefer that smell over smog and pollution in the cities any day!

I understand what you mean about meat eating and the use our four leggeds. Living in farm country, I see both sides of the picture. I would see nothing wrong in farmers raising livestock for poop. It wouldn`t necessarily mean they were raised for food. Farmers have gotten a bad rap and not all are the money hungry, animal abusing, terrors we hear of on the news.It`s the little farmers out there that genuinely care for their animals and make them their priority.

Your ideal is an honorable one and one I hold dearly. I`ve simply learned that all we can do is teach not preach (you didn`t!! just me sharing my practice ). I believe the goal is NOT unrealistic, it will occur After all, we can move S

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posted April 18, 2004 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Angie, glad my eyes weren`t playing tricks on me.

I`m glad Budgie is back on his perch

Maybe the Merc RX is playing around with you. Now that it`s spring & getting nice out, I don`t want to sleep but keep on digging, weeding and dreaming about the beautiful summer blooms.

This week I`ve been taking Valerian at night to unwind & it`s worked so well. It`s been helping my back muscles to relax and I`m getting a good nights rest. Have you tried it?

Love to you & the four leggeds.

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posted April 21, 2004 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
I understand what you mean about small farmers, juniperb. One day, one day, I hope to join their ranks, lol.
I suppose it might not be so bad to use piggie poop for fuel if it was done on a small scale. I just couldn't help imagining a poopie-farm outfit where the animals were kept by big companies in small spaces and forced to poopie alot. Silly, I know. It might actually be a good thing for small farmers if the energy tycoons would not feel threatened by it and actually let it happen.

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posted April 21, 2004 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message
my big concern about this is that it's still burning fossil fuels we're talking about. it's just not an enviromentally friendly practice.

I'm all for finding useful things to do with poop tho.

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posted April 22, 2004 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Harypr, ya calling my pig an old fossil As long as you say that with a handful of corn in your hand, she probably won`t be insulted tho

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posted April 22, 2004 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Good point, Harpyr.

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