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Knowflake

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From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Dec 2001

posted May 24, 2004 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Everyone,

I am moving and I cannot take my cats with me. I have until August 1st to place them. I don't have pictures of them yet (the ones I have they are 11 weeks old...they are now almost 2) but I wanted to get the word out as soon as possible.

The 1st shelter I called wanted $300 a cat. With two and the move I don't have $600.

Here are my questions to the board.

Do you know of any good shelters in the LA/Orange County Area or are there shelters that you have heard of that I should stay away from.

Do you know anyone looking for an indoor/out door cat (these two are litter mates and never been appart but I don't expect to be able to place them together...). They are both mousers so if you know of someone who has a barn or is having mouse problems either one of my kitties would be perfect.

One is an orange Tabby and the other is a white Tabby with blue eyes.

Male and female...both fixed.

Any help or advice on find them good homes would be greatly appreciated. Especially if you know of any place in the LA/Orange County are that they SHOULD NEVER GO.

I am realistic...if they can't be placed they will be killed but I don't want to send the somewhere where they won't even try (if I can't find anyone myself)

Thank you in advance for all the help and advice that I know will be coming my way.

Love,
Amber

P.S. I will drive to San Diego and Kern Counties to give them a home/shelters are limited to LA and Orange Counties... (I live on Los Angeles...)

P.S.P.S. I am willing to pay for there food and shots for up to a year to anyone who can give them a good home.

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Nephthys
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posted May 24, 2004 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
I never heard of a shelter where you have to pay to surrender your pets??????

I don't think my local Humane Society puts animals to sleep anymore if they aren't adopted, but I am way up past San Francisco.

I am sure you will find them a home, since you have put it out to the Universe It is so nice, wonderful and generous that you are offering to pay for their first year of care!

Good Luck and I am sure you will find them a wonderful home

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Randall
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posted May 24, 2004 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Most newspapers offer free Free To Good Home ads for pets. That's your best bet, and they might even get to stay together.

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Knowflake

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posted May 25, 2004 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks guys!
This is so hard. The $300 place is s "No Kill" shelter. I haven't seen it yet. It did seem a bit strange but they say they keep your cats until they are placed or the life of the cat. I don't know. It sounds a bit suspicious but I've I thought if I am only able to find a home for one I would pay for the other to stay there until they could find some one...I would rather place them myself though. There is a guy at work who has a friend in Ojai and they have a barn. He is going to ask if they need a mouser. That would be great for either of them although if they have a dog Khan would be best. Asia doesn't like dogs. Khan likes anyone he can play with ...

I'll keep you guys posted and I'll get some pics this weekend...

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tahariel
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posted May 25, 2004 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tahariel     Edit/Delete Message
A word of advice please, if you can't take responsibility for pets, please don't have them in the first place.

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Knowflake

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From: Los Angeles, CA
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posted May 26, 2004 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Tahariel

These will be my last pets. I realize that I am not a person to have them. Like I said (in another post about the changes happening in my life right now)I don't have to move but where I am going is the most peaceful place I have ever been and I will not sacfice the opporunity of a lifetime. To live in a beautiful house by myself in Los Angeles for under $1000.

I took them because the person who had them allowed her cat to have 2 litters in 2 years. The first set of kittens one was kept the other 3 just 'ran' away (over the first few months of their lives. They are dead. Either cat fighting or hit by a car or disease, they were too little...)

In the 2nd set I agreed to take one. When that time came she just 'didn't know' what she was going to do with the others and still had not fixed Momma cat. I offered to pay for that but was told 'Thats ok I'll do it...' I took 2 kittens.

I fed them better than most people on this planet eat. I fixed them, kept up with their shots. They were strict indoor cats until they were a year old. The place I live in now is too small for two cats (about 500 square feet) to stay indoors. I tried.

I don't need to be told not to have pets. I need advice on the best way to place them.

If I had to do it over I would have taken them, fixed them and they gave them away but I didn't so here I am.

I feel bad enough. This is not easy for me. I am currently hoping that I can find a home for one and if the place for $300 is decent and clean the other will go there.

I sure you meant well by your advice but not now.

Amber

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tahariel
Knowflake

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posted May 26, 2004 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tahariel     Edit/Delete Message
I realise what I said may have been harsh, I volunteer for a cat charity and what I see and hear breaks my heart. I don't know about the situation over there but here we are at critical levels concerning unwanted cats and kittens.
I realise your situation may be different and I understand I am not in your shoes, I guess I could just never see a cat as something other than part of the family. I should not say anymore, but I send you love.

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Knowflake

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posted May 26, 2004 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't mean to snap. This is hard

This is why I won't have any more pets because although they are a part of me they are not my children. It sounds cold and I don't mean it to be, my cats are wonderful and loveable and love me so much. I know this and I am crying just thinking about it.

The cat over population in LA is horrible. I guess like it is in most major cities. That is why I took two of the kittens. Really what I should of done was try to take the Momma cat but she was a pet. My mistake was not taking care of them and placing them somewhere when they were small.

This is a mistake I won't make in future. (meaning that I find kittens and offer to pay for their healthcare if someone else can place them in a home.)

Please understand I love cats. I have a true affinity for them. I seem to be able to pick up strays and not be scratched (although they don't stay in my arms long)
Most cats will come if I call them...it has always been this way...it probably always will but that doesn't mean that I should be a pet owner. I realize that now...

Amber

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Nephthys
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posted May 26, 2004 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, Tahariel. Things change in people's lives. I don't think she should not have had them in the first place. People who should not have pets, are ones who don't take care of them, abuse them, mis-treat them, and/or don't feed them. I am sure Amber is a wonderful person who loves pets and her intent was good when she adopted them.
Like I said, things change in people's lives. How do you know what is going to come along in your life. Perhaps one day you might not be able to keep a pet because of health, finances, disaster, etc.
I think it's wonderful that she is making an effort right away to find them homes, and even offering to pay to support them financially for the first year. You won't find many people doing that!!!!!
I am sure anyone who would have to give up their pets would be devastated as you or I would.

Good Luck to you Amber

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trillian
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posted May 27, 2004 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Contact Best Friends. They are the only ones I would trust to recommend a no-kill facility, and they will have a lot of advice for you. Those precious lives are in your hands.
www.bestfriends.org
They are in Nevada.

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Knowflake

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posted May 27, 2004 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Trillian!

They have a Los Angeles website with contact numbers. I will let you all know what I find out !

I think that it will all be ok

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tahariel
Knowflake

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posted May 27, 2004 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tahariel     Edit/Delete Message
Total Pieces, it seems you have a greater need to be a free spirit, go be one and I am happy that you are doing the best for all who's involved.

Nephthys, I didn't say Amber isn't a lovely person, and what I say next isn't a dig at Amber either, this is my personal feelings towards how I feel. Having an animal to me is bringing it as part of my family, I realise not everyone thinks this way. To me, my pets are my children. If health or finanicial problems come along, like a parent wouldn't give away their child, I wouldn't give away any pet I have. My cats will come with me whenever I go and whatever I do, nothing will EVER spilt us apart. I'm not saying all people should be like this, people do what makes them happy. If this makes Amber happy, then I'm happy.

You know my last cat I would have died for, when she died, I seriously wanted to kill myself, just to be with her. The one thing that got between us is death, and it would have been the only thing. I see my pets as a lifetime commitment, like I would see a child of mine. Again I know this isn't for everyone and please don't slam me for it cause these are my personal feelings. I understand I was harsh, and I wish I was there to help comfort Amber as it seems she could do with a hug. But this is one area where I lack understanding, it's a flaw yes, but I'm the one that pays for that flaw. I could have been a hell of a lot more nasty, god knows people on these forums have slagged me off for saying much less !

Please accept my lack of understanding in this area, imagine kicking me up the arse if you want to, but you can't take away the way I feel and believe. I place trust that Amber knows that she is doing the best for her cats and herself, if I knew more about her I would probably be more empathic, but to me you people are pretty much just strangers !

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tahariel
Knowflake

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posted May 27, 2004 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tahariel     Edit/Delete Message
I also realise I'm an insensitive cow.

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Knowflake

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posted May 28, 2004 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
OK. This is getting way out of hand.

Dear Taharial-you are not an insenitive cow.

Your statement under the circumstances was harsh but you indeed have the right to think what you think and say what you want. I think (for myself) if you had made your statement and then asked me my circumstances I would have felt less 'attacked'. but that is neither here nor there. Through these post we get to learn about each other and the different views of others.

What I needed was information on how to go about this and I've gotten that. The bestfriends.org people are wonderful. I called them but the woman I spoke with had not heard of Pet Pride but she is going to get back with me after making inquiries. That is why I came to the board.

I am sorry about the death of your cat. I am glad that you did not kill yourself to be with her. There are so many lessons on this side to fufill in a lifetime. I am glad to know you didn't decide to turn your back on them.

I know what is best for me. To move. I know what is best for my cats. Not to move.
I am choosing me. In this situation I am being selfish. My Father wonders just what type of toll this is going to take after they are gone because he knows how I am and how I feel about them.

But after being introduced to Best Friends (which would not have happened had I not posted to the board) I know of a charity that seems to really be doing something. They have a section with hard to place cats (disabled animals) that I will give to.

Things will work out. They always do.

Love,
Amber


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purplezen
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posted May 28, 2004 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purplezen     Edit/Delete Message
lots of luck Amber.

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tahariel
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posted May 28, 2004 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tahariel     Edit/Delete Message
Amber, if you believe that all works out for the best, then you ARE doing the best for the kitties ! I don't want to make an already crap situation worse, I really wish I had never seen this thread ! I'm guessing it's best for them, and for you, be happy :0)

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trillian
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posted June 04, 2004 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Any news?

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Randall
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posted June 06, 2004 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
*bump*

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Knowflake

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posted June 07, 2004 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Trillian,

Great News!

First I would like to say that Best Friends is the best organization. They got right back to me...

My current landlord has a friend (who I met a couple of years ago) who works in placing cats in homes. She works for a shelter out of Santa Clarita (Still So Cal but suburbia)

My landlord gave her my number and she gave me a call. I had asked her about Pet Pride and she said that she had heard of them but she had no idea what there placement rate was. Best Friends had no info either.

Michelle (current landlords friend) said that a $300 donation request per cat was a bit excessive and that she would suggest I really look at them closely before I sent Asia and Khan to them.

I asked her about the shelter she works for. She said that they were full but if I wanted her to take them she will call the director and when a cage for 2 came avalible she would take them. It is a no kill shelter and they are full. (Unlike Pet Pride which seems to have space...very strange...no cages...cats are allowed to 'run free'...I don't want Khan and Asia in a cage but realistically-the fighting between the cats...especially Asia...she would NOT to well with a bunch of strange cats. It would take a long time unless they were kittens...) She asked me about their health records and she was much more informative then the Pet Pride people.

I told her I wanted to try to place them myself first but if a spot came open to please hold it for me.

It will be fine. I think I have moved a bit into the head in the sand though...I think in the back of my head I keep hoping my new landlord will change his mind...

Oh where Michele works they have a stricted inside only no declaw policy. I didn't even think that someone may have them declawed!
Should have though about it but didn't!!!

There is so much going on in my life right now. The only reason I am getting this place is because the man I love almost as much as the sunrise is leaving (never to return) this is why I am moving in to his old home which is truly the most beautiful place in L.A. and the rent is cheap because his landlord and he over the years became 'friends'-(you would have to meet the landlord) anyway. The Universe gives and takes...nothing in this life is free or cheap...everything has a cost....

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Randall
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posted June 08, 2004 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Keep the faith.

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trillian
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posted June 08, 2004 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
I only have time for a quick reply, but I'm happy to hear things are looking up for the babies. More soon.

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Knowflake

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posted June 08, 2004 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks you guys!!!

I spoke with Ellie. She was very ummm...angry that they were out doors. (Michelle had warned me she was tough) I explained that they have were indoors the first year of their lives and that they are indoors if I'm home because they tend to follow me around...and then lay down where they can see me...(they are such sweet cats...) She told me they don't take outdoor cats and then she asked me what I fed them. I told her they ate Wellness brand cat food until about 6 months ago but I switched to Natural Balance because I couldn't afford Wellness. She seemed pleased that I fed them well so I got a bit of a reprive. She is going to take them but probably not until the end of the month. I haven't tested them for feline lukemina lately (I tesssted them a year ago) but I was going to wait until closer to the day but since they are going to be going back to being strict indoor I think I may do it this weekend.

I really like the Director of the shelter (Ellie). She is tough. She was not pleased about there outdoor status but that was o.k. You could tell she was all about the animals and could care less about me. Not in a bad way though.

Michelle feels that they will be easily placed. Because Khan is a a typical orange tabby and Asia is just so pretty that there won't be a problem.

Ahhhh!!!!

Thanks ever so much for the support...even the hard words...all of it has been good...

I let you guys know what is happening and I will post their pics when I get them (no haven't done that either...I have them on film but no digital photos...head in the sand behavior...)

Love,
Amber

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Nephthys
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posted June 08, 2004 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
See I knew you would find them a place!!!

I disagree when people say that cats should never go outdoors. I think every living creature needs fresh air, sunlight and "earth" natural living plants and flowers to enjoy. But that's just me.

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posted June 09, 2004 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Every animal needs a little sunlight.

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Knowflake

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posted June 09, 2004 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
I agree but I think the concern is city life. Between the cars and the strays and the poisons all over the streets and in neighbors yards...I understand the concern. These two seem to stay in my yard and in the neighbors's yard. If I'm home they are home
(except when the sun goes down...if I haven't cornered Khan by 7:00 he runs off and I have to close the windows and doors to get him to come back. He taps on the window and looks so forlorn...otherwise if I leave a window open for him he won't come back until about 9:00 or so. I don't let them out at night. I wouldn't get any sleep if I did )

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