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Topic: Animals have the right to have sex!
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LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 4553
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted August 07, 2004 05:42 PM
 
Another point in favor of spaying and neutering is Kitty AIDS ... they get it too  IP: Logged |
silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted August 07, 2004 08:43 PM
How presumptious, Gemini Nymph. Perhaps you do have valid points about animals, Gemini Nymph but you don't know me enough to draw those conclusions about my nature. Your cynisism regarding my nature is the most offensive thing to me on this thread. I said what was bothering me and that's what it is. Notice that you are the only one mentioning ego because most of the people on this thread know me and know that when I think something is right I defend it and defend it and try to engage in direct conversation about it. I was not engaged directly and that is what angered me, that others did not bother to mention anything that I introduced.
So...I am personally offended; but by you. Don't come at me like that. Save your inept pychological analyzations for someone who is more easily impressed by faulty wordplay and baseless conjecture. Now, the above might have been motivated by hurt feelings, sweets, but none of your "ego". Most of us try to check our egos at the door when we come here. Maybe you can try that next time.
Your sarcasm, personal attacks and meaness/rudeness are so inappropriate, you should be embarrassed.
I am embarrassed for you. Incidentally, your ideas are intriguing I admit. But could you perhaps point me to a study or give equally intriguing reasons for your ideas? Unless you remember your past life as an animal or you are an animal in this life, I don't see why these popular theories that you are presenting are any more valid than my theory. P.S. I have had a lifetime of living with cats as well and I have seen things to support "this nonsense". ------------------
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silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted August 08, 2004 12:21 AM
trillian, I was just upset that nobody addressed what I said. But yeah I did feel sort of attacked a little but I do understand that it is a sensitive issue, it is sensitive to me too. My oldest female cat, has had such a hard time and I can tell that now she wants to have more fun but as soon as she got over what ever made her sick for most of her kitten life she got pregnant and broke her leg so it was just a mess so she has never had time to herself to be well and enjoy it. I have noticed that a significant change comes over animals when they are spayed or neutured: they get subdued and a bit cranky. I don't want my cat to become subdued. What if we are subjecting them to a lifetime of depression so that we can "live together better". And I don't think that the change is totally due to adulthood because some of my cats are adults now and they are no more cranky or subdued than when they were kittens. Anyway, have you noticed that?LibraSparkle - My old vet told me that cats only get feline aids from fighting. Now, I always wondered "why saliva exchange and saliva into open wounds but not sex?" It didn't make sense to me but I thought that perhaps it was some sort of new - fangled disease or something that was working weirdly or something...nevermind.  
That is a reason, because I had a cat who had feline aids and it was horrible, I don't know, though I have such a problem with inflicting depression on animals. Anyone who has experienced deep depression would know that sometimes you think about what it would be like to make the trade if you could just be not depressed for awhile. I don't know if doing that to an animal is a decision to be made lightly or as a matter of course.
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SunChild
Moderator Posts: 1023
From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia!
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted August 08, 2004 07:56 AM
Silverbells I hear you and my love and compassion is with you always
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted August 08, 2004 05:13 PM
Man, I thought I was in Global Unity for a moment there. I expect better than that from this Forum.  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 5605
From: Big Dipper
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 08, 2004 11:10 PM
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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 3189
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: May 2002
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posted August 09, 2004 02:52 AM
Oh silverbells, I am sorry you had such a horrible vet. Feline Aids or FIV is transmitted in the same manner as HIV. Fighting (an exchange of blood) or sexual contact will cause the spread of the virus. It doesn't have to be a horrible death. One of the techs that I worked with Dove Lewis (she was in charge of the blood bank) had a sweet fat cat with FIV. He was 10 years old and still healthy as heck. I don't want you to think I was coming down on you. My only concern is with the unwanted animals, as I have had to put to sleep litters of kittens and puppies. It is hard -it is even harder for people here that have worked for animal shelters - that is something I just can't do. Randall - I think a study should take place to see what animals enjoy sex..LOL..but I think one was done - not broad enough though because I had not heard that rats like sex too.... No WONDER there are so many of them LOL...- IP: Logged |
paras
Knowflake Posts: 1328
From: the Heart of It All
Registered: May 2004
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posted August 09, 2004 10:17 AM
I believe animals deserve the same respect that humans do. I would never allow another person to remove my sexual organs, so I could never do it to an animal. Or de-claw them. Now a vasectomy is another thing. Unwanted children, human or animal, is one of the saddest tragedies of modern times. Way to go, silverbells!IP: Logged |
Aquarian Girl
Knowflake Posts: 590
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Registered: Aug 2004
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posted August 09, 2004 11:17 AM
Silverbells, I posted to tell you about my friend's spayed female enjoying sexual activity. My friend has two cats, one male that is not "fixed" and a female who has been spayed. The male follows her around and woos her all the time and she regularly rolls over on her back while he performs cunnilingus on her. She writhes and purrs and then usually gets up and walks away when she's had enough, leaving poor old Smokey (the male) with blue balls, lol. She very clearly "enjoys" it - and she has been spayed.So they can enjoy sex if they feel the urge. Before anyone says it, yes I know Smokey should be nuetered if only (aside from all the other health reasons) because I think it is cruel for Mica to constantly tease him like that. But they aren't my cats. They are strictly indoor cats though, if it is any consolation *shrug*... IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted August 09, 2004 12:41 PM
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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
trillian
Moderator Posts: 3239
From: The Boundless
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted August 09, 2004 02:10 PM
The only depression I ever noticed in any of my cats was when Mincin (spayed female) lost T.C., her life partner (neutered male). They loved and flirted all the time...and would often wake me in the night with their rambunctious sex. She and I both still miss him, but I don't think she's depressed anymore. IP: Logged |
Isis
Knowflake Posts: 1053
From: CA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted August 10, 2004 08:35 PM
Paras, I totally agree...Silver: I also agree with the premise of your argument, totally. You did say they'd had a vasectomy, right? So your male is fixed, and some of the other concers raised are non issues (although there is the very real danger of the female getting out and getting her groove on with another, un-neutered cat). I have only dogs, two girls, the oldest one we were required to get fixed before taking her home from the pound, which was no big deal, although I thought I would have preferred something more akin to tubal ligation. However when taking my female pup to the vet last week, when I inquired about it, I was told she really needed the complete hysterectomy because it greatly reduces the risk of breast and female-type cancers in dogs (uterine, ovarian, etc). So while I agree with you in principle, I still get the dogs fixed anyway. Just going to the pound to get Evie broke my heart - all the dogs, unhappy, desperate. Pid, I couldn't handle the experiences you had. I think it might make me detest human beings in general. ------------------
“The good things which belong to prosperity are to be wished, but the good things that belong to adversity are to be admired.” Seneca IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 4553
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted August 10, 2004 08:57 PM
Silverbells, I had never heard it was passed through saliva... just assumed it was the same as with us. Thanks for passing that on. I couldn't imagine one of my kitties getting AIDS. How sad!IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 3189
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: May 2002
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posted August 10, 2004 10:23 PM
Hi Isis,Thanks..yeah, it was hard work and a very hard burn out rate. What hurt the most was seeing how much these animals love their owners, even when the owners abuse them. I have always had a very emotional tie to animals - animals and kids..they seem to get me (hee hee..even when others thing I am ogre...really..I am more like Puss in Boots..meeeeooow ) sorry.. I was thinking about Shrek 2 for a moment. When abused animals came into work, that was when I really kicked into overdrive. I couldn't take it. There was one time a man was angry at his wife so he hurt the cat (the kids also had bruises which really ****** me off). He brought the cat in with 3 broken legs saying the cat got caught in the glass sliding door. At the time I had already graduated from Concordia and was taking criminal justice courses for the hell of it and I had a talk with my Interview / Interrogation prof (former FBI). I gave him the guys address- in vet med you are required to report abuse to the authorities- especially in Oregon, but the head vet at the ER place I worked at was a total puss, so he didn't. The guy was arrested. He had a history of violence and was also prosecuted for animal abuse. I wish more people would not be afraid to turn people in for that. Both of my cats were rejected pets from people that abused them (Fletcher was thrown out of a car and then hit by a car) and Phoebe was abandoned - feral at 6 weeks. Phoebe and Fletcher each other very much. I am not sure if they have an active sex life, I have never seen them do the nasty--ewwww, but they do lick the heck out of each other. I have told them to get a room, or at least go into the guest room, but they just look at me with those big eyeballs like "Whaaaat...we loooooove each other" LOL-- It's funny, all my life I have judged people by how they respond to animals. I never trust a man that hates animals, coffee or beer. LOL...well, the last two I can see past, but not the animal part  and Isis..when my dog that I had for 19 years died, I couldn't work for a week either. Even when my buddy Sydney threw a clot (I was working at the ER at the time) I had to take a week off. It's completely normal and just shows that you have a gentle spirit IP: Logged |
silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted August 13, 2004 03:45 PM
SunChild - Thank You for the compassion.
Animals doing cunnilingus???  I suppose that it is possible.  I saw one of my kittens doing that to the new kitten but it turns out that he was just eating her "waste". I see the older cats doing that and I just thought that they were being affectionate... I guess I would be right either way  .
I couldn't work in a shelter. That is too horrific for me to deal with. When you think about a being so innocent who probably doesn't understand what is going on and coupled with the fact that they still love the master who does this to them. ------------------
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Nephthys
Moderator Posts: 1729
From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted August 15, 2004 06:09 PM
 Dogster has an article on Spaying and Neutering your pet, as well as a link to Spay USA. Dogster's Article IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 4553
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted August 15, 2004 09:40 PM
Animals doing cunnilingus  LMAO... Who knew?!IP: Logged |
silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted March 31, 2005 04:16 PM
Hello petlovers again. My cats have grown a little and things of that nature..etc etc. Anyway I came back to this thread to tell you all that we have decided to neuter our male cats, particularly our oldest ones (and perhaps one of the younger ones who is extrememly agressive). We have decided to do this because Midnight Moon and Diamond have an intense rivalry and they really hate each other. You can actually see the hate in their eyes. If they did not have so many hormones, perhaps they would be better with each other. I'm not quite sure why things got so horrible out of nowhere because Midnight Moon was always the "dominant male" and he would bite Diamond's neck and Diamond didn't seemed thrilled with it but they weren't fighting like....Humans. So hopefully that will do something good for them. Our oldest female cat, we are going to get her spayed too. We meant to wait longer on her but if her "boyfriend" is getting it there is no point in keeping her in play cause she beats up any other cat but Midnight Moon who approaches her when she is in heat. Plus, she is so cranky and she hits her youngest kittens, and she just goes off by herself and doesn't want to be around the cats so I guess now or later would not matter. I'm a bit queasy about the whole thing but Diamond keeps going away from home and there is little peace for the cats when he is home and rather than have them angry and depressed by strife, and possibly getting into trouble when away, this is the best. Hopefully they won't get depressed by being so drastically changed so quickly and God knows what other far-reaching affects. So...there you are.------------------
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silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted March 31, 2005 04:19 PM
Oh for corn's sake!!!!! I CAN'T SEE MY POST AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you respond and I don't get back, know that it is because I can't see my bloody possssssssssssttsss!------------------
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silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted March 31, 2005 04:20 PM
and F5 ain't doin' it.IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Moderator Posts: 1729
From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted March 31, 2005 07:04 PM
Silverbells,  Thanks for sharing your wonderful news with us! I am sure all the cats will be fine after their surgeries, I am sure they will not have a hard time with their changes. I, too, often makes posts and they don't show up. It is strange and freaky. I've contacted Randall about it and then when I go look later, the post is there again. IP: Logged |
silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted April 21, 2005 02:13 PM
I see them now! Hi Nephthys thank you for your assurances. We have to wait a while because Midnight is sick and we don't want to risk infections. It will be a relief not to smell the hormones because we have been suffering from their spraying all over the place. I am also tired of buying Nature's Miracle even though it works wonders along with Oxy Magic. Those two are getting along better though for some reason so that's good.------------------
Get some love in your groove, just get hip to forgive... - Michael Franks IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 22, 2005 10:57 AM
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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
Nephthys
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From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 23, 2005 10:30 PM
Ooooh I hope Midnight gets better!Randall, LOVE your quote!!!!! (signature) IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 21166
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 24, 2005 12:51 AM
Thanks! I love it, too.  ------------------
"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll IP: Logged |
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