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AcousticGod
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posted November 01, 2005 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051101/ap_on_sc/singing_mice

By CHERYL WITTENAUER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 28 minutes ago

ST. LOUIS - Songbirds may be the Sinatras of the animal world, but male mice can carry a tune too, say Washington University researchers who were surprised by what they heard.

Scientists have known for decades that male lab mice produce high-frequency sounds — undetectable by human ears — when they pick up the scent of a female mouse. This high-pitched babble is presumably for courtship, although scientists are not certain.

But it turns out those sounds are more complex and interesting than previously thought.

"It soon became ... apparent that these vocalizations were not random twitterings but songs," said researcher Timothy Holy. "There was a pattern to them. They sounded a lot like bird songs."

To make their point, the researchers provided audio recordings of the sounds, which have been modified for human ears. The recordings do indeed sound birdlike.

The findings by the researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis are published online Tuesday in the journal Public Library of Science Biology.

If the analysis by the researchers is confirmed, mice can be added to the short list of creatures that sing in the presence of the opposite sex, including songbirds, humpback whales, porpoises, insects and, possibly, bats.

"There was joy in this discovery," Holy said. "We didn't expect it."

The finding opens the possibility of using mice to study and develop treatments for autism and other communication disorders, said Holy, the lead author and assistant professor of neurobiology and anatomy at the university's medical school.

Bird song, how it is perceived and learned, is used to understand how the human brain works. But some questions might be posed better with mice, for experimental convenience, he said.

If it is true that the male mice are producing songs, it raises questions about how their sounds develop and whether mice — like birds — are able to learn new sounds, said animal communication expert Peter Marler, a behavioral neurobiologist at University of California, Davis.

He said "extraordinarily little" is known about how the human brain helps people learn to speak.

"We don't know even where to look in the (human) brain," he said. "If it were to turn out that (mice) songs are learned, and that parts of the brain are involved in learning, that might open a new area of investigation."

Marler said the only mammals known to learn new sounds are whales and porpoises, and "they're not exactly ideal for study."

Holy and co-author Zhongsheng Guo were studying the brain response in male mice to chemical signals emitted by female mice. The mice sounds were not audible without technical amplification. Initially, researchers recorded the sounds with a microphone, stored them in a computer and converted them to an image.

Later, they developed a way to hear the sounds by recording them on tape and reconstructing them four octaves lower. Holy said the mice sounds met two key criteria for song — distinct syllables and recurring themes, "like the melodic hook in a catchy tune."

He said their finding is not just perception, but a "very careful quantitative analysis of sounds."

Holy said adult bird songs are much more practiced, predictable and refined than those of mice, but even birds don't start out as great singers. They learn.

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On the Net:

To download samples of mouse song modified to make them audible to humans, go to:
http://mednews.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/6040.html

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Nephthys
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posted November 01, 2005 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
That is so sweet.

Are you part Aquarian, Acoustic G?

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AcousticGod
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posted November 01, 2005 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
My MC is Aquarius. Otherwise, no.
Sure do like them, though.

It is very sweet of the men mice. Ah romance!

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proxieme
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posted November 01, 2005 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proxieme     Edit/Delete Message
Ya beat me to posting this!

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AcousticGod
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posted November 01, 2005 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message

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peajie
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posted November 02, 2005 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peajie     Edit/Delete Message
Isn't it great how scientist can make themselves seem so important.

(A bit like TV News which start.. "according to a specialist ... ")

Jeeze:... we already knew that,
Disney introduced us to Mickey and Minne !

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Solane Star
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posted November 02, 2005 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
AHHH!!!

Thanks for sharing that AG!!!!

I love when animals sing!!!

Did you know that humpback whales sing the same song for 5 years and then change it, then song that same song for another 5 years!!! How exciting is that!!! Spock from Star Trek taught me that.

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AcousticGod
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posted November 02, 2005 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I followed the link to listen to it, but they use RealPlayer or whatever, and I hate that program.

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Nephthys
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posted November 02, 2005 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
"My MC is Aquarius." ------> You are definitely part Aquarian then. It also shows in a lot of your posts.

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AcousticGod
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posted November 02, 2005 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Now I'm curious.

What does being part Aquarian mean in this case?

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posted November 02, 2005 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message

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Nephthys
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posted November 03, 2005 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message

"My MC is Aquarius."

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AcousticGod
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posted November 03, 2005 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
?

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Nephthys
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posted November 03, 2005 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Will you please stop ? because you are cracking me up!

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AcousticGod
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posted November 03, 2005 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I don't understand.

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Nephthys
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posted November 04, 2005 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
OMG Acoustic. Well your MC is what we are striving to be. If your MC is Aquarius, then you are striving to be an Aquarian, and you will take on or show some of those qualities.

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AcousticGod
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posted November 04, 2005 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
So I'm moving toward the odd and unusual? Nice! Aquarius seems like a nice place to go.

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