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taurean_scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 1352
From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 20, 2008 04:47 PM
 
I have six people in my family and I have (until today) four rabbits: a Californian (my favorite), a Netherland dwarf, a white holland lop (still a baby), and a mix breed (6mos old)....I am very very sad today that I had to give away all of them to the animal shelter...My mom and grandma said I was too attached to them.
My mom was actually the one who brought the holland lop just a few weeks ago for $40 because when we went to the pet store to buy rabbit food, my sister said SHE couldn't live without it.
But now, my mom said, "how about we get a dog from the shelter instead?" and my sister of course wanted one because dogs are known to be "playable" and bunnies are aren't,...and as soon as they start maturing they can get aggressive if you don't spay them.
I found out the cost of spaying/neutering them ($100-200). It is a lot, but they could live longer and they calm down.
I cried a lot, and argued with them but all they say is "you spend too much time with them, they're JUST rabbits not PETS, and they have no feelings.
I completely disagree. All animals HAVE emotion, and rabbits can be pets just as dogs/cats.
My family went to a different animal shelter yesterday to look for a dog...and they were so excited.
I just don't think you go to the shelter to trade, you know? Pets/animals...whatever you call them aren't toys...you don't go trading for one once you get sick of it...
Just because it's not a dog/cat doesn't mean it can't be a pet. And it doesn't mean the owner can't love it...
My family accused me of loving the rabbits more than my little sister because I don't baby her as much.
My heart is broken...and no one understands...IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 6343
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted February 20, 2008 06:05 PM
Oh taurean_scorp -- that's truly sad 
Of course animals have feelings!! Those who say they do not are a callous UNfeeling excuse for a sentient being 
When will you be able to get away from this environment -- are you still in school??
I hope that soon you can be somewhere that others do not have the power to remove your pets from your life.....Sending a big {{{ hug }}} for your loss
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yourfriendinspirit
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From: California, USA
Registered: Oct 2006
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posted February 20, 2008 07:16 PM
{{{ H U G S }}}
I am so sorry for your loss...I completely agree:
"All animals HAVE emotion, and rabbits can be pets just as dogs/cats." My heart goes out to you... ------------------
Sendin' love your way,
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Happy Dragon
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posted February 20, 2008 07:46 PM
~ http://www.petwebsite.com/rabbits/rabbits_as_pets.htm ~
"The character, intelligence, liveliness, inquisitiveness, affectionate and playful nature of rabbits and their relative ease of care and the wide range of breeds, colours and coat types make rabbits a popular pet in many countries today"re ..
** I hope that soon you can be somewhere that others do not have the power to remove your pets from your life.. **
 ~ taurean_scorpion ~
despite sad bunny post ..
good to see your still about :-)
maybe a puppy dog will turn out to be a friend for life .. ( just trying to look on the potential bright side ) IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 1352
From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 20, 2008 07:52 PM
thank you all. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted February 20, 2008 08:34 PM
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted February 20, 2008 08:55 PM
You are absolutely right, taurean.I agree with everything you said. I'm sorry for your loss.  Looking forward to a time of independence for you.
God bless,
hsc
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Nephthys
Moderator Posts: 3712
From: California
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted February 20, 2008 11:10 PM
I am so sorry that you are under the dominance of your family making decisions like this! I can only hope that one day they will open their eyes and realize the truth! Gosh, how terrible. I am so sorry you had to give back your bunny rabbits.    IP: Logged |
26taurus
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted February 21, 2008 01:13 AM
I'm very sorry to hear about that. You seem to have a strong connection with animals so, I hope your new puppy turns out to be your new best friend. I'm sure she or he will need you just as much as you need her or him at this time. IP: Logged |
jane
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posted February 21, 2008 01:45 AM
I understand taurean_scorpion. Everyone in my family is an animal lover who always treated our pets like members of the family. What I find difficult to understand is how people can see animals as objects they don't bond with, and trade them in after they're bored with them, like they're used cars. I'm sorry your family doesn't relate as sensitively to animals as you do. IP: Logged |
bunnies
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From: U.K
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted February 21, 2008 10:59 AM
I got a rabbit from a shelter and had him for 7 yrs. His name was Stuart.
He was one of the most noble souls I have ever encountered.
Do not let anyone ever tell you that they don't have feelings.
There was an animal lying injured in our garden and I swear to you that this is true.
Stuart came into the house looking for me, very agitated and when I followed him outside he led me to the animal.
Why would an animal with no feelings do something like that? It served no survival purpose.
He died in my arms 3 yrs ago of plain old age and at the last moment he looked into my eyes and some wonderful connection passed between us and in a strange way I just knew he understood everything I felt.Poor rabbits.
The most maligned mistreated animals ever. Jammed in small hutches, ignored, forgotten about but if you let them run freely, they are as tame as dogs and absolutely adorable.
My user name is in honour of Stu.
He is buried under an acer tree that he used to lie under when he was alive and it's grown like the clappers!! IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 3469
From: Infinity
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 21, 2008 11:53 AM
Bless you all.  IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 1352
From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 21, 2008 12:35 PM
Thank you all for the warm support...i really needed it. I really miss my rabbits...I couldn't stop crying last night. There was a painter who came and probably thought I was nuts because my eyes were bloated and red and tears wouldn't stop rolling down. I hope my rabbits will go to a better home where they could run around in a yard. It's not fair to be locked up in hutches...
I live in Santa Monica by the beach and the weather is windy most of the time. My Californian and Netherland dwarf was put in wired hutches and I asked them if they get blankets because it's cold outside (they've been domesticated!! you know), but the guy said the place isn't normally for rabbits and that that's all they could do. My Californian loved to be bunched up with her blanket. My mom lied to the shelter guy that I had rabbit "allergies" so I couldn't keep them anymore...Her intention though was so that I would be closer to people. My brother told me "Dude, you're not Snow White..." He said I talk to them. LolThanks all for listening and understanding. It helps...Later on in my life, when I have my own yard, I'm going to raise....let's see. If I had a choice I'd take all the rabbits from that shelter. Love,
Esther  I only have my Meatball on my computer...She's the Californian. This is when she was 6-7mos. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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From: Infinity
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 21, 2008 03:20 PM
Taurean_scorpion, I feel for you! You poor, sweet, loving soul. I know its hard for sensitive souls as us, but we must be here for a reason. I know that life is so, so hard.
The lessons that we must learn and teach. You are right, and animals do have souls, they absolutely do. I wish there was more that we could do, but life does not always give us the power to do so. Do you have anybody at all that you know who might be able to take your rabbits in and give them a good home? This would put your mind at rest.
Just pray for them, pray that they will find a good, loving home. Chances are they will. Would the shelter let you bring them a blanket or some hey? I know it is difficult for others to understand animals in the way that you, I and others can.
They were taught not to. People are taught not to be sensitive.
But this is unnecessary and wrong. Don't worry, sweetie, we are here with you and know how you feel. Bless you, angel. IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 1352
From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 21, 2008 09:31 PM
I miss my rabbits so much.
Poor thing was so scared when I locked her up in the hutch at the shelter yesterday...I was laying on my bed today and my mom told me to help her clean up the rabbits' cage. Eventually I got up and helped her because they were 'my' rabbits. She said she wouldn't help me work through my issue of (being a loner) if I didn't get out of my bed. That means she was going to ignore me and give me more chores. I'm still very upset from all this. I asked her if I could go to the shelter today with blankets because it was raining and she said 'I'm sure they'll take care of them'...Not only am I heartbroken but I am ANGRY. She said, 'in a few days they won't even recognize you'....ListensToTrees, thank you so much for the loving words. Unfortunately, I only have one person who I can call a friend and she doesn't like animals. *I wrote something here and I don't even know what I said. :/ I can only hope my rabbits aren't depressed as I am. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 6343
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted February 21, 2008 10:27 PM
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She said she wouldn't help me work through my issue of (being a loner) if I didn't get out of my bed. That means she was going to ignore me and give me more chores. I'm still very upset from all this.
Sweetie, hang in there Try to take the injustice (of having your pets forcibly removed) one day at a time, or if you have to, one hour or five minutes at a time. It’s done and you can’t change it, you can only accept and try to move on from this heartbreak.
Please forgive my POV, but imho your mother is out of line regarding “working thru your issue.” Being a Loner is not a disease with a cure that she can administer "if you get out of bed." There is nothing WRONG with you being just the way you are, unless you yourSelf are unhappy/unfulfilled. Your sensitivity certainly does your Pisces NN credit Please also forgive me for sounding like a broken record – and I wonder how many people these days know what that sounds like??  -- but perhaps it’s time for you to depart your family and move out on your own?? Can you get a part-time job and move into a house with roomates?? Esther, you are a Taurean: one of the strongest Suns of the zodiac when it comes to inner courage. I have a Taurean friend who recently lost her sister to cancer, her brother to cirrhosis, went thru divorce and job terminations, and still gets up every day and puts one foot in front of the other and makes progress towards her goals. And she does it with a smile on her face and never is too busy to help a friend who’s down or has troubles – I love and admire her so much <3 <3 <3
You have this kind of courage too, hon – I can feel it. I don’t blame you a bit for being angry and depressed with what just happened, and with the values of the family you live with. But you have a long life full of fabulous experiences ahead of you, and after the grieving has abated somewhat it will be time to look towards your future  Love & {{{ hugs }}}
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blue moon
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From: U.K
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posted February 22, 2008 05:20 AM
One of my childhood friends remembers people in our past by the animals they lived with. She'll say: number 5? Sandy, Golden retriever. What was the family's name again? If you asked her she'd probably say she prefers animals to people. Things will get better. You might choose a life like hers - she lives in a cottage way out in the countryside, surrounded by animals, lots of dogs (her favourite animal). She works out there with her husband, they're both artists. p.s This is just my point of view - but if you are finding it hard to get out of bed that is probably because you are mourning the loss of your animals. This is because you are normal, not because you have a social problem. Again, I stress, this is just my gut feeling and my point of view which I accept could be quite wrong. IP: Logged |
wheelsofcheese
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From: Wales, UK
Registered: Jan 2008
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posted February 22, 2008 07:23 AM
Hugs to you. IP: Logged |
nattie33
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From: USA
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted February 22, 2008 11:15 AM
I also like pets more than most people. and was a loner growing up i still am. My mother constantly threatened to take my dog and tie her up to a tree outside the nearest animal shelter. Now i have many my mother is 81 years old and alone. My dogs and cats are not they are very happy living with me.I hope this link might be of some help www.rabbitrescue.com/ IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
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From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 22, 2008 01:51 PM
I appreciate the responses and advice.
I understand all of what you guys said and its all true.
Still, I am angry but I'm not stuck in bed...
I do wish that my mom would accept me as I am. Zala, how did you know I have a Pisces NN?...My mom has a Gemini NN.
I know I haven't had a lot of experience with people because of the fact that I dealt with severe depression and social anxiety at such a young age.
If I had a choice I'd live in the countryside taking care of animals but I can't right now. I've got to finish college and I also need to find a part time job soon to help out financially.
I called the shelter today and asked about my rabbits. They said this morning they were taken to be spayed. I'm glad they have that chance because I wouldn't have been able to spay all of them.
It's so hard to move on because they were family to me and I felt accepted for who I am not for what I do. I am going to stop writing now because I'm crying again...and I've got to go clean now. nattie33, thanks for recommending the site. They have a rabbit shop!  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted February 22, 2008 02:14 PM
Here at LL you are accepted for who you are and not what you do, Esther
Re: that Pisces NN, I still have your chart from a few years ago  You don't need to answer if you don't want to, but have you tried taking fish oil caps or St Johns Wort daily for your depression?? I can forward you tons of articles and info on the efficacy of both those remedies..... It's good to hear your furry friends will be spayed by the shelter and have a good chance of finding a loving Forever-Home It's also good to hear that you'll be finding a part-time job soon -- your own income will surely contribute to new feelings of independence in your life!! As for your mom, it's kind of pointless to wish that she would change and accept you for who you are. It's so sad when some parents behave like this. It seems that they think they're helping by trying to force you into a mold of their choosing -- whether it be your career, your friends or any other facet of your life. But it can cause a lot of anguish in the child. To this day, my mother regularly insists that I need to go find a *good* job in a bank and forget about that stupid job I have now Love & Hugs,
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Happy Dragon
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posted February 22, 2008 06:16 PM
~ taurean scorpion ~
drop me an email if you fancy ( edit 23rd feb. ~ e'adrs. deleted )
( .. or ask one of the ffa moderators for my regular e'adress ..
( either Zala or Mirandee .. if that's ok by them ;-)
and maybe include your mum's birth data .. even without birthtime ..i've just been looking at your chart .. you do have a couple of rather difficult transits ongoing ..
and i've a possible idea as to how you might be able to turn things around regarding your mum ..
( as in .. she obviously doesn't understand you .. going by what youv'e written
( and my folks certainly didn't understand me for the most part
be just i've been thinking what if i could go back in time to when i was living with my folks ..
and take what i know about astrology with me ..
i think i would confront my dad with a few hard facts about his behaviour ..
and point out his own transits at certain times ..
i also had a few accusations made to me .. like ..
'you don't talk enough' .. 'you keep to yourself too much' .. 'you daydream ' .. anyhow if it helps .. my chart and yours have similarities ..
same ascendant .. same degree ..
my mercury placement is exactly conjunct your sun/jupiter placement
your mercury placement is conjunct my sun placement .. 2 degrees difference ..
i can relate to the 12th house .. my moon sits there .. as for rabbits .. well i've never had any as pets ..
my neighbour had one .. and i was suprised to learn how sociable they are ..
i rekon i've probably shed more tears in my life over animals than humans ..
actually got all teary eyed reading 'watership down' ..
( a grown man shedding tears over a story about fictional rabbits .. silly huh :-) .. ) in essence you have a major pluto transit on .. losses and gains are par for the course
that .. and deep intense emotions ..
pluto is now conjuct your saturn placement .. and has been opposing your venus/chiron placement ..
( that transit has been going on since at least the begining of 2005 )
and a neptune transit square to your moon .. since begining of 2007 ..
although that one has virtually passed .. but not totally ..
chiron currently conjoins your mars placement .. and lillith is about to square natal lillith
plus a mars transit .. so feelings of anger will probably feature .. given what you've been going thru ..
( mars in traversing your 12th house at the moment ..
( it's just passed the conjunction with your venus /chiron placement .. and ..
( is about to oppose your saturn/uranus placements ..
on the 23rd march it will reach your ascendant .. and as it transverses your first house ..
you'll potentially feel more 'outgoing' .. jupiter is currently transiting your 8th house .. and is sextiling your moon placement ..
( keep thinking whilst typing this .. about walking a dog on the beach ..
( you never know .. you might bump into mr.right out walking his dog on the beach :-)
but also wondering if you'll get the same accusation regarding a dog ..
i.e. .. re. what you mentioned regarding the rabbits .. ** My mom and grandma said I was too attached to them ** ..
actually .. if you get accusations leveled at you .. maybe have a read of this ..
..'The Language of the Unconscious' .. Liz.G
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/016569.html ~ another thing comes to mind .. as to what happens when a taurean sun feels like they are being pushed ..
i think the reaction is to dig in one's heels instinctively .. hhmm .. i don't know about other taurus suns ..
but that's how i've often reacted .. and even with associated feelings of resentment ..
an example .. my mum used to nag and nag me about visiting my uk relatives ..
i.e. constantly asking me why i don't ..
the more she nagged me about it .. the more i didn't want to make the visit ..
( somewhat of an irrational reaction as i quite like my uk relatives )
it got to the point .. whereas .. in my head .. i started to resent the very existense of said relatives ..
i.e .. if the relatives didn't exist then i wouldn't get nagged about visiting them to start with ..
( as to why the relatives never visted me .. that never really occured to my mum to question :-)
( things .. to her .. always seemed to be my fault ..
understanding my mum's chart helped me understand her behaviour on that issue .. ~ HD ~ ** but have you tried taking fish oil caps or St Johns Wort daily for your depression??**
Tibetan Goji Berries !! .. go go goji berries !! ;-) .. IP: Logged |
taurean_scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 1352
From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 23, 2008 02:24 PM
I had no idea fish oil's helps depression. I'll definitely try that...As a matter of fact, haven't taken my daily multivitamin ever since my mom took action (we were out of vitamins)...That could be a cause. I've only been taking "Effexor" for my depression. I'm starting to doubt the effects of it you know...Haven't been improving much.
I've started talking to my mom last night and with the rest of my family...acting (okay now) and (smiling)...because I figured (and I told her this) that rather than mouring about them, I should working on standing on my own by finding a job (make a savings account so I could bring my rabbits back or adopt from the shelter)...
My mom says this seems a better idea than grieving of course.
But she still says rabbits are "wild' animals and not pets. I told her "okay, if you're going to get the dog tomorrow...you need to raise it until it dies"
She said, "of course, I was thinking about it...It's not like I can throw them away like rabbits"...
Couldn't convince her they CAN be pets. And that my heart breaks every time she said they can't be pets/good animals.
So yeah...I still very much disagree with my mom about this issue but I hope, things get better for me. I can't wait to have a "farm" of my own. That's my motivation for getting through this. Lol...Sounds ridiculous I know, but I'd like to add some other animals like small pigs, and even Flemish giants!! "the more she nagged me about it .. the more i didn't want to make the visit .." That's exactly how I've been feeling. I guess it is a Taurus thing, or fixed sign thing. I can really relate to what you said.
HD, I'll email you. Zala and HD, thank you for taking the time to look into chart and remembering it of course, it's much appreciated. So goji berries? Never heard of them...I'll search them over the internet.
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Happy Dragon
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posted February 23, 2008 02:58 PM
~ T.S. ~
regarding goji berries ..
~ http://www.health-report.co.uk/goji_berry.html ~
'Z sent me some in the mail .. ;-) ..
i'd never heard of them before ..
i stuck them in the fridge .. and next day ate some raw with dinner .. a handful of them aprox ..
but .. the handful went to two handfuls .. then i was gulping them straight from the packet ..
they've got a crispy-chewy texture to them .. and taste naturally wonderful ..
and they definitely have a positive 'feel-good' factor about them ..
i can't wait to get my own supply .. :-)))
( btw: will now delete that email adress posted above )ttu. later ..
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taurean_scorpion
Knowflake Posts: 1352
From: santa monica, california
Registered: May 2005
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posted February 23, 2008 05:39 PM
HD, ah I didn't jot it down. Was going to get back to it after coming back from the shelter for our dog.
Please email *deleted
Thanks!
So yeah, we got a puppy and we're going to pick it up later in the week after it's spayed.
Proved to my mom the rabbits "I" had weren't wild...but still...she's super excited about the free stuff we got for the puppy and kept showing me (like i'd be happy)...the volunteers told us.."oh, these dogs were owner surrendered..." my mom and everyone else were like "aw....." but then again, my rabbits were surrendered TOO! :/
Honestly I didn't know I was going through hard transits because on astro.com when I click on the 'forecasts' I only have all the nice "jupiter trine planets" n all that.
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