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maklhouf
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posted March 26, 2008 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
..as many Knowflakes no doubt regard them.
Mice release a constant stream of urine feaces and bacteria as they go, but it is the other end I am concerned about. I have packets of oat cereal and the like with one bite out of them. What would you do? Throw the whole pack away?

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Mama Mia
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posted March 27, 2008 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Uh YES!!!

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posted March 27, 2008 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Once after baking some chicken and leaving it on the stove, there were green streaks all over the chicken.

After some inquiring I realized that the green streaks had come from the green mouse poison we had layed out.

The mice had been nibbling on poison, then had a taste of my chicken.

I decided to rinse off the pieces with no green on them and eat them anyway.

Probably not something I would do now, but I'm sure the oats are fine. I mean, oats ARE boiled when you cook them, so that will kill anything. Just transfer the oats to a nibble proof container.

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posted March 27, 2008 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
LOL To the women it's a no brainer. Funny how guys will eat past all sorts of nastiness.

Boys...puppy dog tails and snails and all that I guess

Chuck it out. If you can't afford another box and are starving, I've no doubt there is some woman in your life, mother, sister, cousin, friend, lover, hell even coworker, who will gladly buy you another box rather than see, or even know that you ate food mice had first crack at.

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posted March 27, 2008 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Isis are you calling me a dirty dirty boy?

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posted March 27, 2008 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
You may want to consider sealing up all your other food better and put them in a secure place. Then use the oat cereal the mice already ate and feed it to the birds.

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posted March 27, 2008 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
OH MY GOD! Throw it away, houfy! Throw it away NOW! In fact, start packing your things and move out. NOW! Run!!

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posted March 27, 2008 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
no way. throw it away.

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posted March 27, 2008 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Humane pest control:
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/people/lifestyle/home_and_garden/pest_control.php

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posted March 28, 2008 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
hahahahaha..
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maklhouf
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posted March 28, 2008 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
OK, I'll chuck it. There is a mouse and rat epidemic in the UK just now, nowhere to run. I am so tired of junking whole packets of food, though and the little buggers are so tame they will sometimes grab it under your nose. I'm beginning to hate animals.

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posted March 28, 2008 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
So I won't be feeding any birds

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posted March 28, 2008 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanya     Edit/Delete Message
do you have access to air-tight containers in the UK?

could be an option.

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Randall
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posted March 28, 2008 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
If you eat processed foods (i.e. canned vegetables), you eat mice feces anyway. Blech! But rats have gotten a bad rap for causing many things that were actually nutrition-related.

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posted March 28, 2008 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
obviously it is a dog eat dog (or something) world.

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posted March 28, 2008 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
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But rats have gotten a bad rap for causing many things that were actually nutrition-related.


Interesting Randall, care to share the "things"?

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posted March 28, 2008 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
"I hate cunning super mieces to pieces "
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1777712.stm ~

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posted March 28, 2008 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Anybody seen that movie "Hood Rat" uggghhh!!! I am not eating anything that a mouse has been around and I know of it..Now if I don't know what can I do, but if I know its going in the garbage, simple as that..

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posted March 28, 2008 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Bubonic Plague for starters.

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posted March 28, 2008 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Bubonic Plague was nutrition related? I thought it was the flea bite that caused it.

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posted March 28, 2008 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Poor nutrition, poor sanitation, poor hygiene, overcrowding ... Excellent breeding grounds. Bubonic plague couldn't be happier.

But I can't see how it was the cause.

Randall?

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posted March 28, 2008 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
It was thought to be spread by rats...maybe fleas on the rats? All of the aforementioned made for weakened immune systems...prime for a pandemic. Let me ask one question: It spread throughout isolated societies, but the monasteries were untouched. Why might that be? What was different in the diets between the common folk and monks?

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~ http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/plague/plague.html ~

~ http://www.william-shakespeare.info/bubonic-black-plague-modern-day.htm ~

~ http://www.william-shakespeare.info/bubonic-black-plague-elizabethan-era.htm ~

~ http://www.theglasgowstory.com/story.php?id=TGSAA ~
1560 .. monk mungo ..
" They worried about food, that is, acquiring enough of it. Mungo was a vegetarian - except on visits to the great and the good, after which he would diet. He favoured dairy products. On the whole most people subsisted on cereals and vegetables. People rejoiced when, on one occasion, the flooded Clyde miraculously failed to engulf the royal granaries containing stored wheat. Absence of meat and monotony of diet probably made them lethargic. It has been suggested that to modern eyes medieval folk would have seemed to be functioning almost in slow motion. "

~ http://www.iomguide.com/ballasalla/monks-diet.php ~
Herbs from the garden were used to flavour food, and also beer and wine.

~ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article707018.ece ~

i've come to the conclusion .. the only good house mouse is 6 ft. under in a lead-lined box ..
am now fairly sure a past brush with residentional rodent residee's ..
was the cause of a localised skin infection that took a dose of penicillin to finaly cure ..

maybe monks drank more wine .. :-)

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posted March 29, 2008 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Randall,

I've found sources on the web that said that monks were victims of the Bubonic Plague too.

Here's an article describing how monks were obese. I can't tell how this diet would be different from a regular schmuck's.

Bones reveal chubby monks aplenty
Martin Wainwright
The Guardian, Thursday July 15 2004

The full truth about one of Britain's favourite historical fatties has been tracked down by a three-year study of overweight medieval monks.
Robin Hood's companion Friar Tuck had hundreds of real-life counterparts, according to a newly published analysis of skeletons in three monastic burial sites in London.

Suet, lard and butter were wolfed down in "startling quantities" by the closed communities, whose abbots often depended on arranging large and regular helpings to keep their flocks under control.

"The way to a man's heart is through his stomach and this seems specially to have been the case with monks," said Philippa Patrick, of the Institute of Archaeology, at University College, London. "They were taking in about 6,000 calories a day, and 4,500 even when they were fasting."

Arthritis in knees, hips and fingertips showed that the often under-employed monks were seriously obese.

Ms Patrick, whose findings were revealed to the International Medieval Congress, meeting in Leeds, said: "Their meals were full of saturated fats. They were five times more likely to suffer from obesity than their secular contemporaries, including wealthy merchants or courtiers."

The reckless scoffing was in clear breach of St Benedict's austere rules laid down probably in 530, which warned: "There must be no danger of overeating, so that no monk is overtaken by indigestion, for there is nothing so opposed to Christian life as overeating."

Critics, such as Peter the Venerable, who slated monks for "wearing furs and eating fat", were advised however that Benedict had also warned about grumbling: "Brethren would indeed grumble if deprived of the food to which they are accustomed."

The skeletal data, from 300 sets of bones found at Tower Hill, Bermondsey, and Merton abbeys, includes information on a medical condition known now as Dish (diffuse idiopathic skeletal hyperostosis) triggered by overeating and a rich diet. "The marks of Dish keep appearing on their skeletons. It forms a coating on the spine like candlewax dripping down the side," said Ms Patrick.

The findings tally with satire that developed a keener edge after the Black Death and food shortages. Friar Tuck was only one of many fat fictional characters based on medieval churchmen by resentful lay storytellers.

The new evidence backs records from Westminster Abbey, showing that six eggs a day was normal for monks. In the middle ages, monkish obesity was Europe-wide. The Portuguese Cistercians had a test: monks unable to squeeze through a certain doorway at Alcobaca monastery's dining room had to fast while slimmer colleagues tucked into "pastry in vast abundance".

Friar's tucker

A 13th century Cluniac friar's possible daily intake based on Ms Patrick's studies:

11am-1pm Three eggs, boiled or fried in lard. Vegetable porridge with beans, leeks, carrots and other produce of monastery garden. Pork chops, bacon, and mutton. Capon, duck and goose with oranges. Half pound of bread, to use as sop. Peaches, strawberries and bilberries with egg flan. Four pints of small (watery) beer.

4-6pm Mutton gruel with garlic and onions. Posset of egg, milk and figs. Venison with rowanberries, figs, sloes, hazelnuts and apple. Stewed eels, herring, pike, dolphin, lamphreys, salmon, cod and trout. Half pound of bread as sop, sometimes soaked in dripping or lard. Syllabubs of fruit. Four pints of ale. Flagon of sack or other French, Spanish or Portuguese wine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/jul/15/highereducation.artsandhumanities

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