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WinkAway
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posted September 10, 2010 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so my 18 yr old daughter bought a little puppy who is now 6 months old. He's a Lab/Husky mix. Cutest little thing, but he pee's everywhere. My parents bought some of those puppy pads for him to train him on. It seems to be like a hit and miss thing for him. Like it's optional to use them.

After 3 months of using them, the house is smelling like urine. We rented a carpet shampoo machine and cleaned the carpet. But I know it's a matter of time before it's back to smelling like an outhouse. He does get taken out a lot, but still doesn't get the potty training thing down.

We really don't want to find him another home, but if we can't get him house broken we may have to


HELP!! Any suggestions would be helpful...

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Nephthys
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posted September 12, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I got my puppy, I taught her to "go potty" after every meal. After she eats, we go outside, and "go potty". Periodically during the day, we go to the same potty area, and "go potty". It just gets to be routine until they figure it out on their own.

Jasmine was taught to go on rocks...(rocky substrate over dirt)...so she usually will find rocks to go on, then concrete, or then grass.

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posted September 12, 2010 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After each potty, "goooooooood girl".

At 9 p.m.-ish every night when I take her out to go potty, she knows she gets a little treat after for going. So that is incentive enough to go

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posted September 12, 2010 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you can make it easier in a few ways. one is to let the puppy sleep in the bathroom, and COVER the floor with newspaper. those potty pads are great but expensive. puppies pee a LOT!!

as nepthys said, after every meal, every drink of water especially, on the paper. have some wherever it is feasible, like near the food bowls, etc.

wish i had more tips. i have only had one dog of my own and i only had to put her on the paper once, she peed on it and got lots of praise, and never any need of reinforcement. most of them aren't quite that smart.

have to say that 6 months is pretty old...you might want to see if there is a training class you could hook up with. LOTS of walks after meals are a good thing too...

good luck. huskies ARE smarter than your average mutt! labs are not - but they are so eager to please it makes up for it.

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posted September 13, 2010 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgot to mention, first thing when the puppy gets up in the morning, take her out to "go potty".

I personally don't do the newspaper/pads idea b/c then they think they can go in the house. I always take them outside to a specific potty area. They learn that the routine kicks in pretty fast.

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posted September 13, 2010 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for the input.
It was an interesting weekend. The dog has pee'd so much on the carpet over the past 3 months since we've had him, that you could smell the urine. So my daughter steam cleaned the carpets Thursday. On Friday it smelled like a wet dog. On Saturday you started smelling a very strong amonia smell... probably from the urine. She sprinkled baking soda over the area he went the most, but the smell is all over...
I really don't know what to do about the smell, it's nauseating...

And my parents bought a training video that she's trying on him.
Here's the link to the video..
http://www.thane.com/products/promos/perfectdog/perfectdog.php

I feel bad for him because she's keeping him on a short leash constantly and he sleeps in his indoor kennel. Anytime she goes to correct his behavior, she pulls a certain direction on the leash (provided in the box) it tightens the studded collar. She lets him out in the morning and before bed and whenever he sits and whines at her. It just doesn't sit right with me for some reason. But then again, what do you do with a dog who doesn't seem to get it when it comes to potty training...?

very mixed feelings about it all...

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posted September 14, 2010 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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she's keeping him on a short leash constantly

Should she even have a dog? Does she even have time for him?

Puppies usually get potty trained in a matter of days.....or weeks at the worst.... it just sounds like she hasn't spent much time with him in the past, and doesn't now.

No offense at all, but it sounds to me like SHE doesn't get how to have a puppy/dog, not the dog who isn't getting it.

Does she even take him for walks and excercise him?

Puppies are like babies and need full time attention.

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posted September 14, 2010 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No offense taken at all Nephthys...

I wasn't a part of the decision to get a puppy in the first place because I know my daughter isn't ready for the responsability to care for one. She's 18 but too selfish..
My parents bought him for her.

And she does take him for a walk once a day and lets him out about every hour.. which is way more than she's done since she's had him.

And who suffers? The puppy...
It was not well planned out and really upsets me.

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posted December 17, 2010 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, how did the story end?

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posted December 17, 2010 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rub his nose in it and spank him..thats the way we'v always done it and its always worked

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posted December 19, 2010 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The same way you potty train a child...

30 minutes after eating or drinking, take them out.

Also, observation is key. When they have to go, they will start sniffing around on the floor. As soon as you note that behavior you say "Outside!" and scoop them up/take them outside. Praise, praise, praise when they go. You can also use a trigger word like "potty" while they are going. Say "potty, potty, potty" over and over again while they pee/poop and reward when they are done. "Good potty!"

Soon they will associate the word "potty" with eliminating. Tell them "Let's go outside!" and "potty" as soon as you go out.

Bathroom breaks are just that. They need to understand the difference between a bathroom break and play time.

Also, are you crate training? Crating is key to raising a puppy. Dogs instinctively do not eliminate in their den. The dog will think of the crate as their "den" and not eliminate there. You need to take them out to "potty" as soon as you let them out of the crate. Do not crate a puppy under 9 months of age for more than 4 hours max except for at night. Puppy should sleep in the crate at night and be sleeping through the night at 6 months of age and ready to go out as soon as they wake up in the morning.

To summarize:

*Use a crate!
*Frequent potty breaks, esp 30 minutes after eating and drinking
*No unsupervised free roaming of the house. If you can't watch the dog, put them in their crate
*Use a key word to associate with eliminating
*Praise, praise, praise! Reward, reward, reward!

For smarter dogs, you can eventually teach them to use a bell when they need to go out, or some will learn to go to the door on their own, bark, etc.

It is not hard, but it takes a good 2-3 weeks of your full attention and a lot of patience.

Rubbing their nose in it/punishment does NOT work! By the time they have gone in the house it is too late. They will not associate the punishment with the act of eliminating in the house. It will only confuse and stress them.

If the dog goes in your house it is YOUR fault. Not the dog's. You are not supervising it properly.

Lastly, if your house smells like an outhouse, that needs to be rectified immediately. Dogs (cats too) are attracted to the scent of their own urine. If it smells like pee, they will keep going back to the same spot. The pet store has plenty of products designed to remove the urine odor. Use products that counteract ammonia. Your house smelling like urine is your #1 enemy right now. The dog does not know the house is the "den". The den would not/should not smell like **** ! If it smells like pee, it thinks it is ok to pee there.

Time, effort, patience and you doing YOUR job is all that is required.

2 weeks max to housetrain.

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posted December 19, 2010 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great answer, VenusGirl

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posted December 19, 2010 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starr:

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posted December 20, 2010 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. I have raised many dogs. Dogs are domesticated and instinctively want to please you, especially if you have established yourself as Alpha. Positive reinforcement always works over negative.

Puppy Raising Tip #2:

You can see the evidence of positive reinforcement when you are training your dog to come when called. "Happy" voice will always work better than "Get over here!" mean voice, especially with pups. Mean voice should only be used when your dog has perfect recall and in dire emergencies. Even then, ALWAYS reward the dog when they come (petting is sufficient), even if you have called them for doing something bad.

You never want them to associate coming to you with punishment. That's very dangerous. You should be able to trust your dog to come to you when called 100% of the time when off leash. If they aren't reliable, leash them.

Poor recall is how dogs get hit by cars, get in fights, eat things that are bad for them, etc.

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posted December 22, 2010 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
rub his nose in it and spank him..thats the way we'v always done it and its always worked


That is actually not the way to do it. Within seconds a dog forgets what they have done. They cower because they are reacting to the punishment. Bear the Leo was used to that type of training and we realized it was causing fear in Rocky not training.

Labs are very smart and we did have issues with Rocky. We had to keep on him and keep taking him out at various times, especially after eating. We rewarded him when he went to the door or when he came to us with a whine because we knew that it was time to go out.

He is 9 months and the only mistake he has made in a long while was when we were out for more than 5 hours. I know he hated to do it because he loves being the "good boy" when he holds it and gets rewarded.

There are many things that dogs don't realize even though we think that they do. Rocky knows what he is not supposed to play with but he will still grab a sock or a dish towel. I turn it into a "Thank you Rocky, let me have it, I need it" and he happily runs over to me and puts it in my hand. He stopped trying to tear the stuff apart and now he thinks he is helping me (although Bear really doesn't like when Rock takes his underwear out of the dryer, runs around with them and then hands them over to me covered in drool)

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posted December 23, 2010 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Labs will retrieve anything LOL! Even stolen undies.

Labs have the best recall ever, they almost always come when called with no issues. And go and come, and go and come, and go and come LOL.

A lab with a ball is a lovable pest My aunt actually hides her lab's balls sometimes otherwise he will keep dropping them at her feet "Throw it again! C'mon! Throw it!"

Ad infinitum haha.

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posted December 30, 2010 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent tips Starr!! I have raised oh so many puppies and love, consistancy and patience is the key.
The hardest pup I ever trained was my Great Pyre, you haven`t lived until one trains a huge bullheaded and enrepentant Pyrenees.

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