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Ayelet
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posted April 04, 2014 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend of mine and i had a debate. He thinks emasculating cats is the good and human thing to do. It prevents suffering from the cats, as they are not being born into the streets.They also die with dignity, he says. I know that there are people who kill kittens because there is no place for them, and these people don't wish to be murderers, so they are pro emasculating as well. Besides, he says, all the veterinarians, who care about the animals, are pro emasculation.

I am totally against emasculation. I think it is mutilation. I don't think we can act like God to that extent. There is a problem, that's for sure, but extinguishing the race or try to control it is just not the solution for me. I wouldn't argue about it so much if it was a personal issue. But it isn't. Don't animals have rights? The cat cannot speak for him\herself. I don't know what the cat would say, but if i were a cat, i would rather keep my instincts and vitality, which have a stright connection to my sexuality, and run the danger. I know cats suffer on the streets. So i feed them. But my friend thinks it only makes the problem worse, as they will multiply and the suffering will grow. But hey, all of us come to this world to both enjoy and suffer, we all have our share. Why decide for another species and limit its experience? Because we are the ones who created that speices, says my friend. But they are already here, and two wrongs don't make a right, i say.

I really don't have an answer to all the sorrows of the world. I don't have a good plan how to save all the cats. But something within me goes fiercely against trying to manipulate in any way those who are weaker and cannot defend themselves.

What do you think? Where are you in this argument? I am sincerely interested.

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rajji
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posted April 05, 2014 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im totally against it!
I will never do it to my own pet, even if the doc insists!
needless to say the one who is doing it is only interested in making some money.
when deciding on a being’s rights, The question is not ‘Can they reason?’ nor ‘Can they talk?’ but ‘Can they suffer?’

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Ayelet
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posted April 13, 2014 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Rajji. C'mon people, don't you have anything to say in the matter?

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Randall
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posted April 14, 2014 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feed strays.

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PixieJane
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posted April 28, 2014 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Generally speaking I'm okay with it if done early enough, but once a tom at least reaches a certain age then I'm not. I say tom because I've known adult toms that were neutered and yet they retained the negative behaviors as well as attempting futilely to be toms (showing suffering), and they've also, sometimes, shown distress, like one who'd never have anything to do with the woman he once trusted who took him into the vet for that. I've never seen female cats neutered act that way.

I suppose the environment matters. Where I grew up barn cats were never neutered, but then nature (such as coyotes and snakes and even other cats) kept their population in check anyway (while the barn cats also kept the pest population in check, and thus a new generation of barn cats was always welcome). Perhaps even a city can be good for keeping feline populations in check given the highways, antifreeze, even people who set traps for them (or even hunt them) for a wide variety of reasons. But what about areas that aren't too wild or populated? Their population can become untenable pretty easily, and it's not just them suffering, it's also the effects they have on the local ecology, including in hunting endangered species or spreading disease to house cats (especially house cats that interacted with diseased cats while in heat or otherwise not neutered) such as FIV.

OTOH, one no kill shelter that I considered either foolish or a scam did organize both a fundraiser and an attempt to get rid of the feral beach cats that had become numerous (though no more than racoons and such) and were said to be negatively impacting the natural beach ecology. I say possibly a scam because the shelter did nothing for this, all they did was sell traps to catch cats and they were pretty much put into the pound (where if anyone was dumb enough to adopt a FERAL cat then they'd have to pay for the mandatory neutering while the no kill shelter said they had too many cats as it was to be taking in so many feral cats) while the shelter still took the money for itself (both raised as well as in sales). And I say foolish because their action was successful, everyone could see most of the cats were gone in a couple of weeks or so, which was immediately followed by the rat population exploding that invaded the houses of the area spreading filth, disease, and even eating into walls and power lines. Some people blamed the trapping and removing of the beach cats for that and thought the cat shelter should be held responsible for the damages (the shelter disagreed, of course).

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Dee
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posted April 28, 2014 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
I feed strays.

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Randall
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posted July 04, 2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The restaurants forbid it, but I sneak out food for kitties at great peril to myself.

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posted August 15, 2014 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kitties have to eat!

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Ayelet
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posted August 29, 2014 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, untill they'll become breatharians...

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Bluejay
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posted August 29, 2014 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am for spaying and neutering animals. I am from a large city in the US, and I've volunteered for the local animal shelter. Literally over 1,000 animals are euthanized each month at this one shelter alone, and the vast majority are healthy animals. Spaying and neutering drastically reduces the number of unwanted animals.

I am completely against dog and cat breeders, especially the ones that inbreed animals to the point they are plagued by genetic mutations. People that breed and show cats and dogs make me sick, it's so pretentious. Unfortunately pure bred pets are considered a status symbol, although they still end up at shelters too.

I do feel bad for the animal to be spayed or neutered, but the alternative is to risk many other animals being killed because they don't have a home. I always encourage people to adopt a stray, and if people actually had to witness the amount of death that goes on, they would never support a breeder ever again. It's horrific!!! No animal lover would contribute to this problem if they were aware of how bad it really is.

Spaying and neutering is far more humane than allowing overpopulation, which leads to many animals being killed.

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Ayelet
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posted August 31, 2014 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand your point of view, and obviously you've done a lot for animals, but i just cannot accept maiming cats and dogs. I understand your considerations. Still, the animals are defenceless, and cannot speak for themseves. I can't ask the cat's opinion. There must be another solution. Transferring cats to a wild area, perhaps. There is a problem with cats in large cities. And their life can be cruel. But controlling the spieces is wrong, from my point of view. It is not easy, and i know your motivations are noble. But i feel neutering is robbing the animal from something precious. City life is quite not a good life for the straying cat.

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Randall
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posted September 01, 2014 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm torn.

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Randall
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posted September 02, 2014 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the benefits, but I also feel it's cruel.

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