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Ayelet
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posted October 04, 2014 11:05 PM
  
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What a bizarre idea.
It is even more bizarre in my opinion to assume that the natural state of living for us should be based upon fear rather than upon love. But as i wrote, that is only my opinion. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted October 04, 2014 11:57 PM
^^Interesting...I believe you see the world as a dichotomy ("love or fear" for example, or "spirit and matter") whereas I see it as more yin-yang, a little light in every darkness and a little darkness in every light, and sometimes it's about half and half. The beautiful coast that inspires smiles one day can inspire terror another. A garden can't be planted without killing what was living on the cultivated plot before (both plant and animal). What heals and nurtures (such as meds and food) can become dangerous if taken wrongly, and sometimes the good comes at a cost in even the best of circumstances. Endings/death pave the way to new beginnings/life. And love and fear...they're both equally part of the world like day and night (love is an excellent tool to create fear by fear mongers, btw, just threaten their children or anything else they love and watch the fear and hate explode with the love present making the fear so potent). The most important part is that I see humanity as an outgrowth of nature, not the god of it which shapes it. That's why the idea is bizarre to me, my fundamental understanding of reality places our species as part of it all rather than above it all. That said, I'm curious about what Linda said on this and where she got the idea from. IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted October 05, 2014 11:30 AM
In a way you're right, but not entirely. I don't think matter and spirit are a dichotomy, but rather that matter is a condensed form of energy. With that, when the body dies, the heavier body transforms into earth. and the soul comes back home. I understand the concept of yin and yang, but don't apply it always. For example, if someone is murdered, it may be a lesson, because he has murdered before. But i still don't look on it as right. And no justice system will let the murderer get away with it just because he has performed his so-called "karmic duty". So what is the good side of murder? The murderer may say s\he has freed the soul of the murdered to a higher plane. You see, he was merely doing the guy a favour! It is not such an extreme point when you take judaism for example. In judaism one has to bless before eating, with the belief that s\he is helping the "food", be it a plant or an animal, do a tikun, meaning to free the soul from its sins and help it get to a higher plane. Linda wrote otherwise, that we need to ask the forgiveness of whatever we eat. Even of a banana. But you see how the idea of ""tikun" can get very far. Let's take the holocaust as an example. Without it, jews wouldn't have had a home. But i personally would have given up that home if i could save all the terror and misery that happened. I believe in right and wrong, though they are not stagnant, and we learn and grow also from our mistakes. I don't know if i believe in an intelligent evil. But perhaps it exists, and if the holocaust wouldn't have happened, something else, not less terrible, would have taken place. Perhaps it is a big lesson for humanity about evil and its boundaries. I am not God and don't know, but i think we do have a choice, and that Hitler had a choice and we all know what he chose. There is a reason why humans have systems of justice down here, and that we don't settle for divine justice. We don't see the whole circle but we try to fix wrongs. I don't claim we always do so successfuly, or that there isn't corruption taking place even there, but we try. And i respect that trial. Is an illness bad or good? You may say it's both. It is a lesson, it creates a potential for growth. Still, medicine people are struggling to heal the sufferings. From the standpoint of the doctor, there is a wrong to be corrected. On a higher plane there is no duality. Here we have it. On a higher plane there is no murder as the soul hasn't really died. On this plane much suffering has occured. And this plane has its importance. I do think we should stop eating animals because of the suffering it creates. But one should do it gradually, lest s\he will become ill. So one cannot creates "paradise upon earth" in a moment. But i believe we are destined to do so. I believe that one day there will be a progress toward a better world for all of us. There is still so much violence in the world. It will take time. But i believe anyone can make a difference, even in his\her own little atmosphere. As for love and fear: I believe love is God and fear is the illusion of being seperate from God. Sometimes one can fear because one loves. If i love someone, i may fear something bad may happen to him. But the fear stems from distrust, from the illusion of seperateness. And this is when one needs to see the reality beyond the illusion. It is true that in order that something may live, something else should give way. But there are degrees of pain and degrees of suffering, and the industry of horror that man has created for animals is simply unbearable. I believe that should stop.
Even a physically immortal person has cells that die all the time, in order to make place for the new ones. It doesn't mean that my happiness is dependant on someone else's misery. In that i don't believe. And i would have become a breatharian if i could. Never mind now why i cannot. I understand your notion of humanity being an outgrowth of nature. But as Linda sees it, we are the lords over the animals. I think we should protect animals instead of abusing them, and that is the meaning of this "lordship". As for imitation, Linda writes that the less evolved imitates the more evolved. That is if we take into consideration the assumption that human beings are more evolved than most animals (not including dolphins).
I don't know where Linda got this idea, but when I'll have the book with me i will write you where to look for it. But you got it right, i think. it has to do with the fall of man. And by the way, did you know that the word "mad" (meaning "insane") in hebrew contains within it the word "prey"? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted October 16, 2014 10:53 AM
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posted October 17, 2014 11:53 AM
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Randall
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posted October 18, 2014 11:20 AM
Linda was going to write more about the subject in Twelfth Night Secrets. IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted October 18, 2014 01:40 PM
Mad in Hebrew is someone who, present tense, becomes a prey. I wonder who is going to write about all those things Linda was about to write, now that she is elsewhere. IP: Logged | |
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