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Topic: ~RETHINKING THE BIBLE~
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 11, 2007 01:29 AM
 
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silverstone
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posted October 11, 2007 02:28 AM
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venusdeindia
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posted October 11, 2007 07:49 AM
thats to fayte for keeping her promise 
we have as a rce long been blinded and fooled by powers who care for none but their own interests, it is time to sit back and an honest look at these falso hoods that hold us back without retaliating becoz we r afraid that they define our values.no religion is bigger than the human race.
which is why i find the Roamn churchs's massacre during the crusades of innocent jews, muslims and christians( YUP) and of 8 MILLION women in the witchunts especially endearing 
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juniperb
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posted October 11, 2007 09:14 AM
Silverstone, In many Esoteric Philosophies, the dragon represents the nafs/ego. If you apply that meaning, does it help?  ------------------
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posted October 11, 2007 09:59 AM
I use this version quote:
1611 AD: The King James Bible Printed; Originally with All 80 Books. The Apocrypha was Officially Removed in 1885 Leaving Only 66 Books
And I would like to hear anyones thoughts on the usage of the words "sin", "love", and "commandment". Now, in the aforementioned version, in Corinthians for example, they call what we now call "love", "charity", and because I have not had the opportunity to read earlier versions of the bible, i would like to know what words they used in place of the above 3 words. added: the version i use has 66 books IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted October 11, 2007 10:04 AM
I know you are.  I know very well.Juni is much more the scholar than I and so more capable of replying to your question. It is a valid question with an important answer. I'll leave it to her. I should add, for your peace of mind, that she is much more than an intellectual and considerably more than a skeptic. What made you decide to edit out the "I'm a 4 year old" remark?
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BlueMeenee
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posted October 11, 2007 10:37 AM
Just my .02 here. I belong to a religion I have seen kinda blasted on this board and am very spiritual as well. I'm also completely for ambiguity - I feel everything can be argued and there's not one meaning to anything. I feel everyone's interpretation is correct for themselves. I am all for people finding their niche with religion, whatever feels comfortable to them. It's the whole ******* match of "I'm right and you're wrong" that gets me. Perhaps they're both right, perhaps they're both wrong - but everyone should have the right to believe what they believe and be comfortable in those beliefs. I believe also that God left his words with others throughout history, not just with the prophets in the Bible. There are many other ancient texts out there that are still being studied and just now being discovered. There's more to think about than just the Bible. Once again, not intending to start any rifts or anything - I just wanted to drop my .02 in. I respect everyone's opinion on here. Hope you all have a good day!  IP: Logged |
Solane Star
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posted October 11, 2007 10:58 AM
Right on BlueMeenee!!!IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted October 11, 2007 12:02 PM
Heart--ShapedCross, quote:
When I read this thread, I see that it is full of history. It is interesting, it is even compelling, but it is history. It is not spirituality. It is the difference between reading a biography of the master, and reading the masterpiece, or between writing the biography, and writing the masterpiece.
I do admire the analytical intelligence I see in people who are able to penetrate these subjects, but I have to wonder sometimes what the point is. What greater purpose does it serve, if not to debunk the superstitions of fundamentalists (whom you have asked not to enter the discussion; thereby defeating that purpose)?
I answer only for myself. History has been noted to be wrong, Christoper Columbus comes to mind. Perchance history did lose the Spirituality in it`s writings and awaits to be rediscovered. That alone may be the greater purpose.
Another look at historical writings thru a different lens may awaken the spirituality and separate the verbal literal from the Intention of it`s authors.. Esoteric Schools have been factored out of history much in the way the Esoteric Teachings of Jesus has. So I ask, why not look at history thru the eyes of the Mystics? If you understand the language of the Mystics, many (and to the Initiated all) concepts are illuminated.
The Masterpiece was written in the form of Holy Texts, by the Mystics of the era.
It is up to us to see and understand the Intent, meaning and Glory of said Masters and Masterpieces. That is my purpose and if anyone desires that purpose as well, may I be a Service in that undertaking. ------------------
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fayte.m
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posted October 11, 2007 01:20 PM
venusdeindia
I agree with you.
And it is the unethical conversion tactics and unethical conversion strategies being used by Christians that I especially find disgusting.
I do not have time to go into it all right now but just Google:
Christian unethical conversion tactic and strategies
Or...
Christian unethical conversion tactic and strategies in india
There is alot there.
It certainly is a terrible thing.
Just like whe Native American's here were pretty much told, convert to Christianity or die. The pretty stories simply are a cover up for the ugly stories that lay underneath.
The history of that religion is not pretty.
Because this issue and the one you spoke of is not actually all about rethinking the bible...I have added to the beginning of my first post on this thread.
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 11, 2007 10:18 PM
Just keeping you on your toes, juni. 
That's a good answer, though.
TINK,
I deleted more than that.
I had already said what i intended to say,
and the rest was superfluous and ambiguous,
so I deleted it. (ps. I totally thought juni was a dude.)
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posted October 12, 2007 03:35 AM
fayte and all out here
i have asked this question a lot out here and to other people and never gotten a straight answer. and i have actually gone thru a lot of **** because of this. i would really like to know the answer to these questions and would appreciate anyone out here who could try to help me out with this.
im have not read the bible fully and i dont think i caneven get myself to do it, because i do not find it comforting ....this is what i'd like to know: 1)is believing in another god wrong? 2)are you going to burn in hell if you do not believe in jesus?(actually i know this is a stupid question but i'd still like to know what u guys think) 3)is idol worship wrong?(i really would like to hear your opinions on this one) 4)is praying to any other god besides JESUS like praying to the devil? thanks in advance to anyone who has the patience to answer my questions.. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted October 12, 2007 06:03 AM
let ther b light
I will answer quickly and reply more in depth later.
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fayte and all out here
i have asked this question a lot out here and to other people and never gotten a straight answer.
I shall endeavour to try and answer. quote:
and i have actually gone thru a lot of **** because of this.
Would you care to elaborate on that? Sounds intriguing. quote:
i would really like to know the answer to these questions and would appreciate anyone out here who could try to help me out with this.
Good questions to explore!
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im have not read the bible fully and i dont think i caneven get myself to do it, because i do not find it comforting ....
I have read it so many times I have lost count. I have even had to buy more copies because the marginalia became so cluttered with my comments and notes that there is little to no empty space left!
I do not find it comforting either "as a whole". Very disturbing, violent and ambiguous meanings and contradictions throughout. Surely there are nice things within, but they lie far far and few between.
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this is what i'd like to know:1)is believing in another god wrong?
NO. quote:
2)are you going to burn in hell if you do not believe in jesus?(actually i know this is a stupid question but i'd still like to know what u guys think)
NO.
And there is no Christian styled hell.
Not in the literal sense. quote:
3)is idol worship wrong?(i really would like to hear your opinions on this one)
NO. quote:
4)is praying to any other god besides JESUS like praying to the devil?
Definitely NOT.
A. Jesus is not God.
B. There is no Devil.
I theorize there was an evil/misguided/arrogant/jealous/soul blinded entity, but it was not what all folks think of as The devil. Some thought he/it was actually God. Some the evil Demiurge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge
That issue I have spoken of but will go into more later. quote:
thanks in advance to anyone who has the patience to answer my questions..
You are welcome!
I shall reply more in depth when I am not bound for time.
Now please remember, these are my theories and viewpoints based on my personal research and experiences.------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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fayte.m
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posted October 12, 2007 06:29 AM
BlueMeenee
You have raised some interesting points.
I shall respond to them later.
May I inquire what religion you subscribe to?
All are welcome here as long as there is no fighting.
I very much desire to understand why folks each believe differently and what brought them to their beliefs.------------------
"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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venusdeindia
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posted October 12, 2007 08:49 AM
thanx fayte. i haven't read the bible so cant really contribute on it, but am hoping for some insights from u guys IP: Logged |
BlueMeenee
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posted October 12, 2007 03:42 PM
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posted October 14, 2007 02:29 AM
thanks fayte  "i have actually gone thru a lot of **** because of this" my sister recently got married to a born again christian. she was seeing him for 7 years and i think since you know som much about christianity you prolly know how all born again christians think. my sister has converted and goes to church every sunday. she and her husband tried convincing me to do the same. there was a lot of tension in my house earlier because of all of this but my parents finally agreed for the marriage. when i started going to church my boyfriend did not like it. not that he was against christianity but it was just that he realised that i was going against my own religion(hinduism)..coz i wud not go to the temple ...and still dont(i'm too confused about the 'truth'). certain things happened because of which i was really upset..i thught going to church might help. but what happened was even more upsetting. i had the 'holy ghost experience' my body would shake like crazy. ppl told me it was because 'something' was troubling me. i think that fear built in me. i believed them. and it did not stop. until this lady prayed for me. my sister took me to the pastor. he tried praying over me and getting what was troubling me out of me!!!! i think that was'nt any less disturbing!! i had to REALLY work on not being afraid, because i realised that a lot of it was prolly my fear. and if there really was 'something' bothering me, it was prolly attracted to my fear!!...just my theory...i could be wrong.. after awhile i stopped going to the church. i cud not get myself to do it and cant even now. i really do not know what to believe anymore. i dont know what is right or wrong. i dont know what to believe and i really need some direction, but i dont know when and where i will find it. thanks fayte fr taking so much interest...
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posted October 14, 2007 07:02 AM
let there be light:Theres a saying in buddhism "Form is void and void is Form". When u look at the universe much of it is space really, now look at human body 99 percent of it is empty really.
go to an atom and still much of it is emty. Space exists so that solid's shape is highlighted. Recount the story of creation in Genesis - The eart was without form - etc etc. Its mind blowing. We all were there when it happened. When u take a picture, the background is as important as the foreground - for the foreground image to show. Imagine an unlimited ocean and u are given a pair of eyes. Whereever u look there will be ocean. Not much use huh? Same with space-time, the suns , stars etc have been created for us to enjoy. Carl Sagan says the same - the universe has been created to know itself. Each of us is an eye of God.
Therefore form and void are really inseparable. We all are really one . The stars, moons, planets, earths, human beings, animals, plants, space and time.....
Theres no harm in idol worship. What is important is who do u pray to thru them? U might have a statue of bull lets say, but do u understand the spiritual meaning of bull really? When u pray to Jesus's statue - are u recounting his story inside of u and then able to pray?
The old testament of bible and most religions (islam, some sects of hinduism, etc, ) does not allow idol worship because we have to go beyond forms? Stretch our vizualizaton to achieve the One God who has no form or attributes. Each and every spiritual being must strive for that. Form helps initially. But its not an end. The limitation is our imagination.
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posted October 14, 2007 07:58 AM
Let therebe light, I have read Amma on my spiritual journey she is a simple and beautiful soul. She says beautifully:
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There is no tree that reaches the heaven
Nor any roots that reaches the Netherland
The sky is the limit as the west says. Shakespeare is wrong when he said "To be or not to be, that is the question". However as I said before every question is really an answer. "To be or not to be" are one and the same thing, i.e. they are inseparable. OK. Therefore Shakespeare is right. Am I confusing u. Must be my Libra ascendant.
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posted October 14, 2007 08:10 AM
Let there be light: I also remember this great lady was once asked a question by a devotee "Who is the Father that Jesus refers to?" She replied it is Shiva. I know that Shiva represents - Shiva Consciousness for the hindus. Now think who is Ra in Egyptian records. Is it all coming to you? Thats why when I meet an indian christian(fundamentalist or an hardened category as Fayte puts it), I tell them first be a better hindu. To who is the fire ritual for? For whom is the sacred vedic chanting for? Hope u loved to read my thoughts. But remember every ones on a different path. You have to come to ur own logical conviction. Others may only influence you.
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posted October 14, 2007 10:16 AM
Hey mannuthanks for putting down ur thoughts ... "Hope u loved to read my thoughts."
i did!! "The old testament of bible and most religions (islam, some sects of hinduism, etc, ) does not allow idol worship because we have to go beyond forms? Stretch our vizualizaton to achieve the One God who has no form or attributes. Each and every spiritual being must strive for that. Form helps initially. But its not an end. The limitation is our imagination." in the beginning when i was told that idol worship is wrong, this was exactly my argument...that its jus to help us concentrate. but i agree that its not an end. i think u r an indian right?...u prolly know how important going to the temple etc is fr some hindus. my parents are quite religious and so are all my relatives. so for them it is shocking to see us be so blase about going to the temple and stuff. anyways that does'nt bother me so much. what really bothers me at times is if i'll find anyone who understands me and my dilemma....in the first place i want to understand this whole thing myself. and i think that the questions that i've asked are prolly not the easiest to answer because i know i had a really tough time finding answers ...and i'm still looking... "Am I confusing u. Must be my Libra ascendant."
heheheh...a little ....but i'm sure i can confuse ppl too...coz i myself have a libra ascendant...and a pisces moon...maybe thats why i'm so confused!! "But remember every ones on a different path. You have to come to ur own logical conviction. Others may only influence you." yup...i realised dat....i hope to find that kinda conviction....and i want to say thanks for helping out IP: Logged |
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posted October 14, 2007 11:02 AM
Is that your banner we see up there Fayte?------------------
The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
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fayte.m
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posted October 14, 2007 11:42 AM
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Is that your banner we see up there Fayte?
NO.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted October 14, 2007 11:49 AM
Fayte.m, isn`t it the site you won the lexigram challenge(s) then got banned for deciphering a purported undecipherable lexigram? Congrats btw ------------------
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fayte.m
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posted October 14, 2007 12:01 PM
Thank you! Yes.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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