posted September 15, 2005 05:20 PM         

I just found this and am still not done reading this (it's a large list), but I found it immensely interesting and wise. Some I did not understand, though. Esp #'s 7, 9, and 10.

posted September 15, 2005 06:50 PM         

that was wonderful, but by the end I forgot what those were, they all pretty much made sense to me except for 3 or 4(not those numbers), that seemed way off.

Thanks for posting that.

posted September 15, 2005 07:26 PM         

I was wondering how you interpret #4?

Jesus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live.

Blessings,

posted September 15, 2005 07:33 PM         

Just my opinion.

Love and Light to ALL

posted September 15, 2005 08:58 PM         

Interesting quote that was.

To me it means when a person grows old he has gained enough wisdom. His faith would say there is life after death. He wonders looking at a seven day child, where does he himself comes from and where is he going to?

If the old man is a little evolved, he would perceive the child to be in the hands of God after the miraculous birth. Somewhere this old person is also wondering if that God in this child would answer his question about the place of life. Jesus is saying whoever asks such questions will live. Not die. Such a soul would continue to evolve and God would grant him more resources after death.

posted September 15, 2005 09:39 PM         

That's a good interpretation.
We're all going to SEE things differently, and some the same, it's so wonderful we can come here, and express how we feel.
It's been very harmoniuous, and it warms me so inside.
We're all here, and can help each other.

posted September 15, 2005 09:57 PM         

IAT, as always your thoughtful insights are inspiring! Did you enjoy a read of the Gospel of Thomas? I highly recommend the Gospel of James too!

Acoustic, would you please share what other Gospel #9 is referred to in? I am most interested in your interpretation of # 10, please do share!

posted September 15, 2005 11:02 PM         

Blessings,

posted September 16, 2005 08:42 AM         

The entire Nag Hamadi is a fasinating read!
Discovered in December 1945 near Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt, this collection of 13 ancient codices dating from AD 390 contains the "Gnostic Gospels"

posted September 16, 2005 10:04 AM         

I really like how you brought up the issue of the "place". It reminds me of when I saw that movie "The Hours" and a child was asking the author (was it Virginia Woolf?) about the dead bird they were observing and the child asked, "where do the dead go?" and she replied " back to where they came from".

The seven day old child is freshly arrived from "the Place", and it would make sense that the older man would seek the child's knowledge to evolve..past death.

You really got my thoughts rolling!

posted September 16, 2005 11:34 AM         

1Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water's edge. 2He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3"Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times."
9Then Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]"

13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown."

posted September 16, 2005 11:45 AM         

Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes."

To me, the fire could be interpretted positively or negatively.

Positively
It could be in reference to building the Christian community, giving the disciples the necessary wisdom to light the world on fire for Jesus.

Negatively
The fire could be used in it's more literal sense as something that burns and clears the land. His word may have started the cleasing of the evil elements from the world, and he will keep it going until all evil is rooted out.

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posted September 16, 2005 01:13 PM         

Number 7 can be helped to understand if we use Acoustics method and cross reference the Holy Text. The book of Danial sheds great light on the meaning of lion.

Look at Daniel 7:2-4 & see if it helps

In Daniel, the lion is somehow transformed into a man, standing up like a man, with a man's heart, just as the lion in Thomas is transformed into a man by being eaten.

Blessings,

posted September 16, 2005 09:02 PM         

Everyone,
I would share my first initial reaction to the passages contained there in. May be I need to meditate more if I am wrong

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OK I will speak of #7.

quote:

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Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."

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Heres my intrepetation:

Human is higher in the evolutionary chain. Lion is lower. Imagine a man put in a pit of hungry lions. No lion can touch an human if the man is just. Lion would get a chance to become a human if he does not dare eat the man. The lion cannot go against the will of God. Remember God acts in a partnership in both the Lion and Man.
There is this instant communication between the two. The lion is liberated in his next life.

Cursed is the human who gets eaten by Lion. He is not just. He does not have faith. He is ignorant. The lion understands Gods will and him eating such a unworthy man, he is only following the will of God.
The lion still has a chance to be human although he is a animal.
Notice here that Jesus does not say what will happen to the man. Once a man, he cannot devolve I feel.

OK...heres something funny. So if I am eaten away by an infection such a TB am I cursed hehehe....

I have my own answer to this. I would like people to think their own answers too silently. God will speak to them

posted September 16, 2005 09:27 PM         

That was absolutly wonderful, and makes perfectly ggod sense, you're on the path
of Truth.

Love and Light to ALL

posted September 17, 2005 08:21 PM         

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

posted September 17, 2005 09:37 PM         

The Gospels being transalated from the Greek, right? Wouldn`t it be more prudent to look into the Aramaic/Hebrew word for the correct translation of "Christ" & expand beyond the Greek ?? Just a thought.

Blessings,

posted September 17, 2005 09:50 PM         

That was wonderful information, we'll find many of these variations throughout
we are putting a puzzle together.