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PETER SAID TO THEM – to his friends and other disciples – LET MARY GO OUT FROM AMONG
US, BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE LIFE.
It was dangerous to allow women in – because then territories become blurred, you don’t know
where you are going, you don’t know what is going to happen. Woman symbolizes the mysterious,
the unknown, the strange, for man; woman symbolizes the poetic, the dreamy, the illogical, the
irrational, the unconscious, for man. Woman symbolizes the absurd. It is always difficult to find
any logic in a woman’s behavior. She jumps from one point to another, there are gaps, she is
unpredictable.
One day it happened: There was a long fight between Nasruddin and his wife. And at the end,
as it always happens, Nasruddin thought he would surrender. It is difficult to fight with a woman.
She has to win, otherwise she will create such trouble that it is not worthwhile, the victory is not
worthwhile. So Nasruddin thought, ”Why waste three or four whole days? And then one has to
surrender anyway, so why not surrender now?” So he said. ”Okay, I agree with you.”
His wife said, ”Now it won’t help – I have changed my mind.”
And those who are in search of God have always been afraid because with women you are never
certain. And it is not better to make them fellow-travelers – they will create trouble, and the trouble is
multidimensional. Their behavior is illogical, their mind is unpredictable. And not only that, there is
also always a deep possibility of falling in love, a deep possibility of being attracted to them, a deep
possibility of sex entering. And once sex enters the whole path is missed, because now you are
moving in another direction. Monks, seekers, have always been afraid; their fear is understandable.
And this man Simon Peter was giving the direction for the coming centuries, that the purity of religion
would be lost, the rationality would be lost....
So he said: LET MARY GO OUT FROM AMONG US... and Mary was no ordinary woman – the
mother of Christ! Even that could not be allowed... BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT WORTHY OF
THE LIFE. What life? The life that they were seeking, the eternal life. Now try to understand why
women are not capable of that life.
The whole focus of the woman is natural, she lives in nature, she is more natural than man. In India,
we have called her prakriti, the very nature, the earth, the base of all nature. She is more natural;
her tendencies, her goals, are more natural. She never asks for the impossible, she asks for what
is possible. Man has something in him which always seeks the impossible, it is never satisfied with
the possible – just becoming a satisfied husband is nothing. A woman will be happy if she can be
just a deeply contented wife, a mother; then her life is fulfilled.
Biologists say there is a reason: in man there is an imbalance physiologically, a hormonal imbalance;
woman is more complete, she is like a circle, balanced. They say that the first cell from which you
come decides whether you will be a male or a female. Twenty-three chromosomes are given by
the mother and twenty-three chromosomes are given by the father. If the twenty-three from the
mother and the twenty-three from the father make twenty-three symmetrical pairs, then there is a
deep balance: a girl will be born. They balance, they make a symmetry, so a girl will be born. But
the father has an odd pair of chromosomes which is balanced in the mother. If a cell containing the
twenty-three incomplete chromosomes moves and meets the mother egg, then a male will be born,
a boy will be born, because there will be an imbalance.

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And you can see this imbalance even on the first day a girl and boy are born: the boy is restless from
the very first day, the girl is at ease from the very first day. Even before the first day, even in their
wombs, mothers know, because boys are restless; they kick, they do things, even in the womb; a girl
simply rests, she sleeps. Mothers can become aware whether a boy is to be born or a girl, because
a boy cannot be at rest. A deep restlessness exists in man, and because of this deep restlessness
he is always moving and going somewhere, always interested in the distant, in the journey.
A woman is more interested in the home, in the surroundings; a woman is more interested in the
gossip of the near neighborhood. She is not much worried about what is happening in Vietnam, it
is too distant; what is happening in Cyprus, it is meaningless. She cannot even conceive why her
husband goes on reading about Cyprus: ”How does it enter into your life?” And the husband thinks
that she is not interested in higher subjects. That is not the point. She is at ease with herself, so only
the surroundings interest her. Just if somebody’s wife has gone with somebody else, or somebody
is ill, or a child is born, or somebody is dead, that is the news. That is news – more personal, more
homely; just the neighborhood is enough.
And a more contented wife or mother will not even worry about the neighborhood, her own house is
enough. She feels perfect, and the reason is biological: her hormones, her cells, are balanced. A
man has a restlessness, and that restlessness gives him inquiry, doubt, movement. He cannot be
satisfied unless he finds the ultimate. And even then you don’t know whether he will be satisfied or
not, or whether he will again start inquiring into something else. This makes a difference. And all
religions have existed for the distant.
So whenever a woman comes to a Jesus, she has not come in search of God. No, that distant thing
cannot be meaningful for her. She may have fallen in love with Jesus. When a woman comes to
Buddha she has not come to find what truth is – she may have fallen in love with Buddha; Buddha
may have attracted her. This has been my feeling also: if a man comes to me he always says,
”Whatsoever you say appears convincing, that’s why I have fallen in love with you.” Whenever a
woman speaks, she never says it the same way. She says, ”I have fallen in love with you, that’s why
whatsoever you say appears convincing.”
Peter is rightly afraid that even Mary, the mother of Jesus, will create trouble. You are moving in
unknown territory. It is better to remain with the boundaries, definitions. Don’t allow women in! You
can depend on the male mind, you know how it functions, you know the very working of it. Man
functions with the conscious and woman functions with the unconscious. So man can accumulate
details, but can never be very deep. Woman cannot accumulate details, but can be very deep
in a small, simple fact. Man can attain to knowledge, much knowledge, but not to intense love.
Woman can attain to intense love, but not to much knowledge – because knowledge is a conscious
phenomenon and love is an unconscious phenomenon.
Said Saint Peter:
LET MARY GO OUT FROM AMONG US,
BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE LIFE.
And all religions basically have remained against women, because they were created by man.
Nothing is evaluated by this, it is not an evaluation, it is simply because they were created by man.

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He was afraid of women, he would like his territory to be clearcut, he would not like women to enter
it.
So all religions have remained basically homosexual, they are not heterosexual. And all religious
communities have remained homosexual: monks living in a homosexual society. If they have ever
allowed women, they have allowed a secondary status to them: they must not decide anything, they
simply have to follow the rules – whatsoever men have decided to be followed – so that they don’t
create any trouble. And they have never been given the same importance, the same significance;
they have been put aside, given a secondary role. They can be nuns, and they can have their own
monasteries, but they will never be important, they will not be the deciding factors.
You cannot think of a woman becoming a pope, impossible! She will destroy the whole structure, the
whole establishment. Because he was thinking in terms of creating an establishment, a church, a
great organization of followers, that’s why Peter says, ”Women should not be allowed. And we should
start with Jesus’ mother, because once she is allowed, and if we give this preference because she
is Jesus’ mother, then other women will enter – and it will be impossible to stop the chaos.”
JESUS SAID: SEE, I SHALL LEAD HER SO THAT I WILL MAKE HER MALE, THAT SHE TOO MAY
BECOME A LIVING SPIRIT RESEMBLING YOU MALES. FOR EVERY WOMAN WHO MAKES
HERSELF MALE WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM.
Jesus said, ”Don’t be afraid. I SHALL LEAD HER SO THAT I WILL MAKE HER MALE.” What
does he mean? To make a woman male means to make her unconscious conscious; to bring her
inner darkness into the conscious mind, so the unconscious disappears and it becomes a conscious
whole; to make her mysteriousness not a stumbling-block, but a stepping-stone. That can be done,
but a very great master is needed: a very great master who is both a male and a female, who
has attained to the inner perfection where his own inner male and female have dissolved and he
is no longer divided; who has become asexual, who is neither male nor female. Only he can help,
because he can understand both. So Jesus says: I WILL MAKE HER MALE.
What is he saying? Is he going to change her body? No, that is not the point. The body is not the
point: there are feminine minds even in male bodies, and there are male minds even in feminine
bodies. A Madame Curie is possible, and she can be as perfect a scientist and as rational as
anybody else; the body is feminine but the mind is not. And there are males who can be as absurd
as any woman. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a perfect male, he was a great logician, a philosopher.
History would have recorded him as one of the greatest logicians if he had remained with it and stuck
to it. But then he renounced all logic, became a madman, started dancing and doing kirtan on the
streets. He became feminine, even his face became feminine, so graceful: even his body followed,
he became more curved, curves came to his body. And he started to love God as a beloved, dancing
and singing. That has happened.
What is Jesus saying? He is saying that the unconscious of the woman can be changed into a
conscious, then she becomes totally different. ”And I will do this. SEE, I SHALL LEAD HER SO
THAT I WILL MAKE HER MALE. What does he mean by ’make her male’?
Males should not think that they are in some higher position. It only means the inner darkness from
which a woman ordinarily lives, from which she has to live, because she is more body-oriented.

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Nature needs her more than man: man is just on the periphery, he is disposable; woman is not
disposable.
Man is not needed so much, that’s why you don’t find fathers in nature. Mothers are everywhere
– with birds, animals, fishes, mothers are everywhere – but no fathers. Only in human society do
you find the father, because the father is just a formality, a social convention; the father is not a
natural phenomenon. Linguists say that ’uncle’ is a more ancient word than ’father’; ’father’ came
into existence very late. When the one man, one woman relationship became established, then
the father came. But the uncle was already there because all the males were uncles for the child,
nobody knew who the father was. Just as with animals, nobody knows who the father is but all the
males are uncles.
There can again be a world where the father disappears, there is a possibility, because the father
came into existence with private property. Once there was private property the father came into
existence. Then he not only dominated his private property he also guarded his private female.
Private property is going to dissolve some day or other. Once private property is gone, the father
will dissolve.
Already in the West the phenomenon has entered: there are many women alone with their children,
the father has been disposed of. This is going to grow more and more. But the mother cannot be
disposed of, nature needs the mother more. That’s why the mother is a more bodily phenomenon;
women are more body-conscious than men. If they take too much time while they are dressing, that
is the reason. You may go on honking your horn and they don’t come and they don’t come....
I once heard one woman: I was sitting in the car and her husband was honking, and she looked out
of the window and said, ”I have told you a thousand times that I am coming in two minutes!” And she
was exactly right, because for one hour she had been saying, ”I am coming in two minutes.” Why so
much time in dressing? She is body-conscious. Man is more mind, woman is more body.
One famous actress said once – when she said it people thought she was very humble, modest,
and actresses are not expected to be so – she said, ”I know I am not a very beautiful woman, but
what is my opinion against the opinion of the mirror? What is my opinion against the opinion of the
mirror? I know I am not a very beautiful woman, but the mirror says, ’You are the most beautiful.’”
They go on standing at the mirror for hours looking at themselves. A man cannot even imagine what
is happening.
Mulla Nasruddin was killing flies one day and he told his wife, ”I have killed two women and two men,
two male and two female flies.”
His wife was puzzled, she said, ”How did you come to know which was male and which was female?”
He said, ”Two were sitting on the mirror.”
Women are more body-conscious, more body, more grounded – that’s why they live longer than
men, four years longer than men. That’s why there are so many widows: they always exhaust the
husband first. One hundred and twenty boys are born to one hundred girls, but by the age of fourteen

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twenty boys have died, and nature maintains its balance. Just to maintain the balance, nature gives
birth to one hundred and twenty boys per hundred girls, because those hundred girls, by the age of
fourteen, will still be a hundred, but twenty boys will have disappeared.
If you are so restless, your restlessness dissipates energy. If everything is taken into account exactly,
then woman is the stronger sex than man: she lives longer, she is less ill – she may pretend, that
is another thing, but she is less ill – more healthy, life is stronger in her, she can resist diseases
more easily than man. Look: when it is winter, men are going with their coats and sweaters, and
women are moving sleeveless and nothing is happening to them. They have more tolerance, more
resistance, they are more protected because they are more body-grounded.
Man lives in his head, he is more mental. That’s why more men go mad, more men commit suicide,
but less women. Women are not so weak; man is weaker because the mind cannot be as strong
as the body. The mind entered into existence very late, the body has a long experience. But this
body-groundedness becomes a problem when they enter on the path towards God.
In life, in natural life, women are the winners. But a spiritual life is going against and beyond nature.
Then their body-groundedness becomes a problem: unless their whole mind becomes conscious
their body-groundedness is not going to leave them, they are so deeply rooted in it. Man is like a
bird, flying, and they are like trees, rooted. They get more nourishment, of course, and whenever
a bird – a man – wants to rest, he has to come in the shade of a woman, under the tree, to be
nourished, sheltered. This is good as far as ordinary natural life is concerned, it is helpful; women
are the winners there. But when one starts to move beyond nature, then the very help becomes the
hindrance.
JESUS SAYS: SEE, I SHALL LEAD HER SO THAT I WILL MAKE HER MALE, THAT SHE TOO
MAY BECOME A LIVING SPIRIT....
She is a living body and the path is longer for her. Think of three things: the living body, the living
mind and the living spirit. These are the three layers. Woman is the living body, man is the living
mind, and beyond the two exists living spirit, atman. From mind it is a shorter distance to move
towards spirit; from body a longer distance has to be traveled. But don’t be discouraged by it in
any way because in nature everything is balanced. It is difficult because the distance is long, but in
another way it is easier, because a woman is a simple phenomenon. Man is very complex and his
complexities create trouble.
From the mind the spirit is nearer, but to take a jump from the mind is not easy because the mind
goes on creating doubts. A woman can take the jump easily: she is body-rooted, she is trust, she
has no doubts. Once a woman falls in love with a man she can move with him to hell, she will not
care. Once the trust is there, she will follow. That’s why a woman can never imagine how a man can
deceive so easily, how a man can be so faithless so easily. That’s impossible for her to conceive,
because she never is. She is always trusting, and she lives with her trust and cannot conceive how
a man can be faithless so easily.
So there are difficulties; because the body is further from the soul, a gap exists. But there is some
help also: that is that woman can take a jump easily. Once she is in love, in trust, she can take the
jump. So there have not been many masters from the world of women, but there have been great

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disciples. And no man can compete with women as far as great disciplehood is concerned, because
once they trust, they trust.
Look, go through India: you will see Jaina monks, and look and see Jaina nuns. Jaina monks will
look just ordinary; their dress is different but they are just ordinary businessmen. If you change
their dress and put them in the market you will not find any distinction. But Jaina nuns are different:
they have a purity; once they trust they have a purity. Look at Catholic nuns. They are different
from Catholic priests and Catholic monks. Monks are cunning and you cannot believe whether they
are really celibate or not. If they are absolutely foolish, then it is okay, and if they have just a little
intelligence they must have found some ways.... But nuns? They are celibate, you can depend on
them. Once they take the step, they stick to it.
So there are difficulties because the distance is long, but there are also capacities which help
because the jump is certain. Once they decide, the jump is taken, then they don’t waver. The
body knows no wavering, only the mind knows wavering.
JESUS SAID: SEE, I SHALL LEAD HER SO THAT I WILL MAKE HER MALE, THAT SHE TOO MAY
BECOME A LIVING SPIRIT RESEMBLING YOU MALES. FOR EVERY WOMAN WHO MAKES
HERSELF MALE WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM.
This is one part of Jesus’ teaching, the other part has not been recorded. The reason may be
because there was no woman to record it – this too was recorded by a man. But I know there is
another part, and I must tell you so that it is recorded.
In the ultimate culmination, in the crescendo of spiritual being, the male becomes female as much as
the female becomes male. It is not one-way, it cannot be, because you both are extremes, opposites.
If the woman becomes like man, then what will become of man? He will become like woman, then
opposites dissolve.
A woman will have to transform her unconscious into conscious, her irrationality into
reasonableness, her faith into an inquiry, her waiting into a movement. And a man will have to do
exactly the opposite: he will have to make his movement into a rest, his restlesness into a tranquility,
into a stillness, his doubt into trust; and he will have to dissolve his reason into the irrational. Then
a supra-rational being is born. From both sides they have to move: man has to move from his
manhood, woman has to move from her womanhood. ... Because a mind which is male is half, and
the half cannot know the whole; a mind which is female is half, and the half can never know the
whole. Both have to move from their static positions, become liquid, melt into each other, become
asexual.
Hindus are very clear about it: their term for the ultimate, brahma, does not belong to either gender.
In English it is difficult because there are only two genders, but in Sanskrit they have three genders:
one for male, one for female, and one for one who has transcended both. Brahma is the third, neutral
gender, and one who reaches Brahma becomes Brahma-like: male will not be male, and female will
not be female, their oppositeness will disappear. And only then is being complete; then being is free,
then being is liberated.
Jesus must have told the other part also. It has not been recorded because whenever we record,
we record according to ourselves. I am saying so many things to you, your mind is continuously

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recording, but you will record according to yourself. You will leave out many things and you will not
even be aware that you are leaving them out. This is the problem: you may not be aware, you may
not be leaving them out consciously, you simply will not record them, your memory will not record
them; you will simply drop them, you will record according to yourself.
And in those days it was a greater problem, because Jesus would go on talking, the disciples
would listen, and the sayings would not be recorded immediately. Sometimes years would pass,
sometimes hundreds of years would pass, and the saying would go from one person to another and
then it would be recorded. It would have changed completely.
Do one small experiment, then you will know: gather twenty friends and sit in a circle. Give a piece
of paper to everybody and then write a sentence. The first man in the circle writes a sentence on
his piece of paper and says the sentence in the ear of the next one. He listens to the sentence,
he writes it on his paper, keeps the paper with him and tells the sentence to the third one. Let the
sentence go on being recorded, and you will be surprised: when it comes back to the first person it
is not the same sentence, much has changed, much has been added, much has been dropped out.
If it can happen within a half-hour’s experiment, then when words have been carried in the memory
for centuries, it is natural that much has changed – the other part is missing.
For a man like Jesus it is not a question of male or female, it is a question of becoming whole. One
has to leave his part and reach the whole. So don’t think that you are a male and therefore you have
some priority; don’t think that you are a male, so God is nearer to you; don’t think that you are a
male, so you have nothing to do, that you have already done much just by being a male. No, you
also will have to become female, just as a female has to become male. You both have to move from
your static states and become dynamic, merging into each other. You both have to go beyond the
parts and become the whole.
So I would like to tell you that I will lead the males to become females, and I will lead the females to
become males, so that both are dissolved, so that transcendence is achieved and sex disappears,
because sex exists on the division. Are you aware of what the word sex means? The original root
in Latin means division, to divide. So when you reach God you will be neither male nor female. If
you are male you are still divided – how can vou reach the whole? So don’t make this saying a male
ego-trip, it is not. They have done that in the church.
Try to understand that the part has to be left so that you can become whole. You should not be
identified with any division, so that the indivisible can enter into you.
SIMON PETER SAID TO THEM: LET MARY GO OUT FROM AMONG US, BECAUSE WOMEN
ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE LIFE.
This is Simon Peter’s mind, not Jesus’. And it is bound to be so: a disciple’s mind, he is not yet
enlightened, he cannot see the indivisible, he can only see according to his mind. A disciple is half
blind. He has started to see, but not yet completely. A master is completely open, he can look
at both the sides, he can look at all the fragments. A disciple is still in the world of ignorance, of
division. This is Simon Peter, his mind. And when Jesus is gone, Simon Peter will become more
important than Jesus, because Simon Peter will be more understandable to people – he belongs to
the same world.

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Peter created the church, he became the rock – the word Peter means rock. And the whole church
stands – he really proved to be a very strong rock! Nobody has proved to be such a strong rock,
neither a disciple of Buddha nor a disciple of Mahavira has proved to be like Peter, because the
Catholic church is the strongest church that has ever existed on the earth. But that’s why it is
more dangerous also: strength in wrong hands. And when a master is no more, disciples become
the masters, they start deciding things. Of course, their attitude can only be a prejudice, a halfunderstood
truth, a half-baked truth. And remember well, a lie is better than a half-truth because the
lie can be exposed any day, but you cannot expose a half-truth.
A lie will be thrown some day or other, because you cannot deceive people forever and forever. But
a half-truth is very dangerous: you cannot expose it because it carries an element of truth. And
this saying is a half-truth: it carries one element, that the female has to become male. But this is a
half-truth, and if you make it the whole truth it is very dangerous. The other has to be added to it.
That’s why I said we would be sailing in rough waters.
I would like to add the other half: every male has to become like the female, because he has also to
learn waiting; he has also to learn receptivity; he has also to learn nonaggression, passivity; he has
also to learn compassion, love, service – all the qualities of the feminine mind. Then only, when you
are whole – neither male nor female – do you become capable of entering into the kingdom. Then
you are a god yourself, because God is neither male nor female – he is both, or neither.
Remember that other part of the truth also, otherwise you will miss. Nobody is more capable of
entering into the divine, nobody is less capable. There are differences, but on the whole, if you take
account of the whole, everybody is equally capable of entering into the divine; everybody, I say, is
equally capable. But there are foolish people who will always use their negative qualities, then they
cannot enter. And there are wise people who will use their positive qualities, then they can enter.
For example: the feminine mind has both qualities, the negative and the positive. The positive is
love, the negative is jealousy; the positive is sharing, the negative is possessiveness; the positive
is waiting, the negative is lethargy, because waiting can look as if it is waiting and it may not be,
it may be just lethargy. And the same happens with the male mind: the male mind has a positive
quality that he inquires, goes in search, and a negative quality that he always doubts. Can you be
an inquirer without doubt? Then you have chosen the positive. But you can also be a doubtful man
without inquiring, just sitting and doubting.
One philosopher in the second world war went to the front. Then his girlfriend’s letter and a
photograph came as he had been expecting. She was sitting on a beach, one more couple was
there in the background, a happy couple, very loving to each other, in an ecstasy, and she was
sitting alone, depressed, sad. For a moment he felt very happy that his girl was sad for him, but the
next moment the doubt came: ”Who is this guy who has taken the picture?” Then he was worried
because there must have been one more person who had taken the picture – ”Who is that guy?”
Then he could not sleep the whole night.
This is how negative doubt functions. A man has a positive quality that he is in search of rest, and
a negative quality that he is restless. Just because he is restless, there is no need for him to get
identified with it. You can use your restlessness as a jumping-board to attain a restful repose. You
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use that urge to be a meditator. The negative has to be used in the service of the positive, and each
has both. Wherever there is a positive quality, just by the side exists the negative. If you pay too
much attention to the negative you will miss; pay much attention to the positive and you will attain.
And male or female, both have to do that. Then happens the most beautiful phenomenon in the
world. That phenomenon is an indivisible person, a one, a unity, an inner cosmos; a symphony
where all the notes have become helpers to each other, not just a noise, but they give rhythm, color
to the whole. They make the whole, they create the whole, they are not against the whole, they are
not fragments anymore, they have fallen into a unity. This is what Gurdjieff calls ’inner crystallization’,
or what Hindus have called ’attaining to the self’, and what Jesus calls ’entering into the kingdom of
God’.
Enough for today.

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