posted October 18, 2005 11:54 AM         

Scholars has discussed for centuries about this and not one has really found an perfect answer. May be I am wrong.
There was a lady Bernadette(born November 1844) in Lourdes, France, who was visited by a heavenly creature 15 times. She kept quite whenever she was asked who she was. Finally she said "I am the Immaculate Conception."

http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/ba_bernadette_intro.htm

Question is: When God appeared to Moses, as fire, he simply said "I Am Who I Am". And we all know that He is eternal God with no reference to past, present , future.

So this heavenly creature, a woman standing on flowers with a white and blue saint like dress , says "I am the Immaculate Conception". Conception is an event, like birth is. If someone asks you today who are you? You will not reply I am birth. Its an event. But you would say I am Christina, for example.

So Catholics decided that Mary was conceived by God immaculate (clean) so that she can bear Jesus as a baby. This was to be free from the Original sin that Adam and Even committed.

BTW, even till this day theres miracles reported by people on whoever drinks the water at Lourdes. Interesting huh?

posted October 18, 2005 01:19 PM         

however, sex isn't a sin, nor is it
unclean. (imo)

2 different forms of conception is all.

Goddess and God know....
they have their purpose for everything.
and they love me, just the way they made me.

here's my sentiment to my father (God) in
the form of (what else) a song...
he's proud of me, for living the way
they (esp goddess) intended ~

Daddy I'm Fine

I was born in Dublin town
Where there was not too much going on down
For girls whose only hope
Was not to find a man who could **** in a pot

So early I heard my first guitar
And I knew I wanted to be a big star
And I told my poor worried father
Said I ain't gonna go to school no more

Cuz see I wanna look cool and I wanna look good
With my hair slicked back and my black leather boots
Wanna stand up tall with my boobs upright
And feel real hot when the makeup's nice

I get sexy underneath the lights
Like I wanna **** every man in sight
Baby come home with me tonight
Make you feel good make you feel all right

I'm going away to London
I got myself a big fat plan
Gonna be a singer in a rock 'n' roll band
And I'm gonna change everything I can

Sorry to be disappointing
Wasn't born for no marrying
Wanna make my own living singing
Strong independent Pagan woman singing

And I feel real cool and I feel real good
Got my hair shaved off and my black thigh boots
I stand up tall with my pride upright
And I feel real hot when the makeup's nice
I get sexy underneath them lights
Like I wanna **** every man in sight
Baby come home with me tonight
Make you feel good make you feel all right

I'm glad I came here to London
I've myself some big fat fun
And I have even made some mon'
I got the most angelic son
My baby daughter is golden
And I do what I like for fun
And I'm happy in my prime

Daddy I'm fine I'm fine Daddy I'm fine
Daddy I'm fine I'm fine Daddy I love you

by s. o'connor faith and courage

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I do think that women could make politics irrelevant.
By as a kind of spontaneous cooperative action,
the like of which we have never seen.
Which is so far from people's ideas of state structure
and vital social structure that seems to them like total anarchy.
And what it really is is very subtle forms of interrellation
which do not follow sort of hierachical pattern which is
fundamentally patriarchal.
The opposite to patriarchy is not matriarchy but fraternity.
And I think it's women who are going to have to
break this spiral of power
and find the trick of cooperation.

posted October 18, 2005 02:07 PM         

at this point, it's a goddess mystery
to me.

mary is the goddess incarnate.

i also felt your comments on the
nature of sex in your original
post were worth addressing...

keep shining brother.

love, Hedgewitch

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I do think that women could make politics irrelevant.
By as a kind of spontaneous cooperative action,
the like of which we have never seen.
Which is so far from people's ideas of state structure
and vital social structure that seems to them like total anarchy.
And what it really is is very subtle forms of interrellation
which do not follow sort of hierachical pattern which is
fundamentally patriarchal.
The opposite to patriarchy is not matriarchy but fraternity.
And I think it's women who are going to have to
break this spiral of power
and find the trick of cooperation.

posted October 18, 2005 02:26 PM         

Ah ha. Interesting. And that would explain why she was silent because we humans cannot understand heavenly language. BTW this creature also showed human gestures like laughing and talking to people who couldn't see her except Bernadette.

When God appeared to Moses he was also "the sum total of all souls" and hence the all encompassing label "I Am Who I Am".

Similary "Immaculate Conception" implying why God created her that way.

Excellent that short dialogue was.

posted October 18, 2005 02:40 PM         

THE HEALING ROOM
I have a universe inside me
Where I can go and spirit guides me
There I can ask oh any question
I get the answers if I listen

I have a healing room inside me
The loving healers there they feed me
They make me happy with their laughter
They kiss and tell me I'm their daughter
I'm their daughter

They say
You have a little voice inside you
It doesn't matter who you think you may be
You're not free if you don't know me
If you don't know me

See I'm not the lie that lives outside you
And it doesn't matter what
You think you believe
You're not free if you don't know me
If you don't know me

See I am the universe inside you
You come to me and I will guide you
And make you happy with laughter
I joy in seeing you're my daughter
You're my daughter

So believe you're not free if
you don't know me

If you don't know me
If you don't know me
If you don't know me
If you don't know me
If you don't know me

s.oconnor faith and courage

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I do think that women could make politics irrelevant.
By as a kind of spontaneous cooperative action,
the like of which we have never seen.
Which is so far from people's ideas of state structure
and vital social structure that seems to them like total anarchy.
And what it really is is very subtle forms of interrellation
which do not follow sort of hierachical pattern which is
fundamentally patriarchal.
The opposite to patriarchy is not matriarchy but fraternity.
And I think it's women who are going to have to
break this spiral of power
and find the trick of cooperation.

posted October 18, 2005 02:48 PM         

Yes from the song, that guiding force we call it to what we each feel. God to some , Goddess to some.

You said "well, god didn't create goddess, i believe..."

I think of it this way, since conception is an event, she has a beginning. Unlike God/Goddess who is ever eternal. Its hard for me to understand since we are dealing with infinity of infinities

-IAT