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Mannu
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posted April 08, 2006 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_pdf/GospelofJudas.pdf

http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/about_coptic_text.html


Enjoy the free english download.

Hmmm...now I envy the scorpio spotlight
Wait a minute is it scorpio or the 13th constellation ?

Enjoy the program on NGC (Sunday April 9 8pmEst) as well: http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/channel/gospelofjudas/

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posted April 09, 2006 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Fascinating.

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posted April 09, 2006 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Good string~

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Mannu
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posted April 09, 2006 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Well my eyes and ears are always open for the truth

No I did not understand what LH1 was implying. The oldest disciples of the thirteen were Matthais. The youngest I think was John, the beloved.

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posted April 10, 2006 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayDreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Hey I watched the show on the Gospel of Judas on the National Geographic channel. It was two hours long...the first half of the program just went into the steps and process by which they got ahold of the gospel. And most of the last hour went into what was actually in the text. It was too fluffy and there were too many commercials for me to really pay attention to the entire thing. The program didnt impress me at all, and neither did what they mention was in the text..which wasnt much.

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posted April 10, 2006 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iqhunk     Edit/Delete Message
Hi all,
I thought the show was gripping, graphic and edited to gather full sympathy for the Gnostics. I support the Gnostics too because of their "out of the box" thinking, and this Judas being a hero notion is just as out of the box as it gets.

Interestingly, if you add the numerological name of Jesus with the 12 Apostles, only in one case do we get the mystical 33.

JESUS = 18
SIMON = 20
ANDREW =23
BARTHOLOMEW = 47
JAMES = 14
JOHN = 18
PHILIP = 26
THOMAS = 24
PETER = 24
MATTHEW = 29
THADDAEUS = 33
JUDAS = 15

JESUS + JUDAS = 33, the number of a Master.

The Gospel of Judas has 13 pages, another synchronicity.

In the Islamic tradtion, Jesus survives the cross because of a last minute substitution.

Anti-Christianity scholar Ahmed Deedat wrote an interesting article titled "Crucifixion or Crucifiction" in which he uses the 4 officially imposed gospels to prove that Jesus survived the painful torture.

The Catholic Church needs the myth of Jesus dying on the cross and will stop at nothing to rubbish this gospel of Judas.

GO GNOSTICS!!!!

I hope interested folk check out the Nag Hammadi translation and also the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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posted April 10, 2006 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Interstings reads yes!
Nag Hammadi translation and also the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Also anything by Shelby Spong.
And Saving The Savior id Christ Survive The Crucifixion?
By Abubkr Ben Ishmael Salahuddin.

Pontius Pliate
by Ann Wroe

GOSPEL TRUTH
The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters
By Russell Shorto

How Did Christianity Begin?
A Historial-Archaeological Approach
By Howard M.Temple

Lost Christianities
The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew
By Bart D.Ehrman


Lost Scriptures :
Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament
by Bart D.Ehrman

Misquoting Jesus
The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
by Bart Ehrman

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.tombofjesus.com http://www.jammupress.com/moreinfo2.htm
book:by Dr. Fida Hassnain,"A Search for the Historical Jesus
book:by Abubakr Ben Ishmael Salahuddin,"Saving The Savior,did Christ Survive the Crucifiction?
book:by Nicolas Notovitch, "The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ
book:by Andreas Faber Kaiser, "Jesus Died in Kashmir
book:by Holger Kersten,The Jesus conspiracy:The Turin Shroud & The Truth About the Resurrection
by the above also:Jesus Lived in India: His unknown life before and after the Crucifiction
book:by Dr. James Deardorff, Jesus In India
----Ok, there is ALOT more information out there---I think the sitse are still active.
I.m not sure what you wanted, but for anyone interested this should get them started on the subject. oh one more-----
book:by Kersey Graves, "Sixteen World Saviors

The Sins of Scripture : Exposing the Bible's Texts of Hate to Reveal the God of Love by John Shelby Spong
............................................
Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism : A Bishop Rethinks the Meaning
of
Scripture by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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God in Us : A Case for Christian Humanism (Societas) by John Shelby Spong
(Foreword), Anthony Freeman (Paperback - July 2001)
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A New Christianity for a New World : Why Traditional Faith is Dying &
How a New Faith is Being Born by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes: Freeing
Jesus
from 2,000 Years of Misunderstanding by John Shelby Spong
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Beyond Moralism: A Contemporary View of the Ten Commandments by John Shelby
Spong, Denise G. Haines
...........................................
Why Christianity Must Change or Die: A Bishop Speaks to Believers In
Exile
by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
. Excerpt from Back Cover "... Aliud of God "This is Spong's manifesto,
offering ... Bishop John Shelby Spong integrates his often controversial
..."
See more references to shelby spong in this book.
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The Living Commandments by John Shelby Spong
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Easter Moment by John Shelby Spong
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Dialogue: In search of Jewish-Christian understanding by John Shelby Spong
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Here I Stand : My Struggle for a Christianity of Integrity, Love, and
Equality by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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Resurrection : Myth or Reality? by John Shelby Spong (Paperback)
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Bishop Spong Speaks Out: Sept. 11 and Death of God, the Father / the
Bishop & the Cosmologist (Ideas) by John Spong Shelby (Audio CD)
..........................................
Rescuing the Bible from John Shelby Spong by Michael Bott, Jonathan
Sarfati (Paperback - August 2004)
..........................................
Born of a Woman
by John Shelby Spong
..........................................
This Hebrew Lord
by John Shelby Spong
..........................................
Reinterpreting God?
Retired Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong continues
to shake up Christians with a radical theology.(FLORIDA WEST) : An article
from: Sarasota Herald Tribune [HTML]
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Into the Whirlwind: The Future of the Church by John Shelby Spong
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Honest Prayer
by John Shelby Spong
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The Bishop's Voice : Selected Essays, 1979-1999 by John Shelby Spong
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Living in Sin: A Bishop Rethinks Human Sexuality by John Shelby Spong
..........................................
Christpower
by John Shelby Spong
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Why I believe in life after death by John Shelby Spong
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This Hebrew Lord by John Shelby Spong
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Roman Catholic-Anglican ecumenical union: A cause I can no longer support
by John Shelby Spong
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The Sixteen Crucified Saviors
By K.Graves...
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Saving the Savior : Did Christ Survive the Crucifixion?
by Abubakr Ben Ishmael Salahuddin
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001651.html
For post about the book The Christ Conspiracy
LibraSparkle
posted September 18, 2005 01:18 PM

Forgive me if I put in any repeats.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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posted April 10, 2006 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Fayte!

Cheers

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posted April 10, 2006 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
I agreee IQHUNK:

"The Catholic Church needs the myth of Jesus dying on the cross and will stop at nothing to rubbish this gospel of Judas."

Of course, can you imagine what the REAL TRUTH will do to their reputation! AND ALL RELIGIONS.....!

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Mannu
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posted April 10, 2006 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
I think the Gnostic people followed a stricter code of ethics that most people assume here.

My personal opinion on gnosism is the same as IQhunk except that I am still not convinced about the second Jesus during crucification. Otherwise that religion has lot of commonality with Kabalis, Tantric system, etc..

Excerpts ...from the Gosel of Judas...

..Men sleeping with men
..Children slaughteres (a direct relation to abortion, I would imagine)

Appears that its taking these things negatively. Hmmm I wonder how much following they would have once the masses realize. Any systems based on beliefs will always have some people not liking it whether it be gnosis or catholicism. Etc...
It all boils down to human nature in my opinion.


Hi IQHunk that was brilliant thinking when you came with that numerological number 33.

I am working on trying to associate, each apostle to the zodiac sign.

For example:
Peter may be Pisces/Cancer or even Aqua
Judas may be Scorpio or may be Ophiuchus
as I read from the lost texts.

....

I am not complete with my list yet as I thought of this a few days ago. If you can help me in that it would be great


Cheers...

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posted April 10, 2006 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
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posted April 11, 2006 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Started on THe Gospel Of Judas.
BORED so far.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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posted April 12, 2006 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Girl of the Water     Edit/Delete Message
13th constellation? I have heard about a 13th constellation in the zodiac... Does anybody know anything about this? Maybe the discovery of the Gospel of Judas is a sign that that constellation will be recognized now.

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posted April 12, 2006 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
You are speaking of I think:
Ophiuchus The Serpent Bearer 29 Nov 18 Dec This is the Greek god of medicine. Asclepius, who is depicted holding a serpent, a traditional symbol for healing. This region of the sky contains many star clusters and the Milky Way.


In astronomy, the Sun actually passes through 13 constellations in the sky. The table below lists the actual dates that the Sun is within these constellations in the early 21st century, beginning with Spring in the Northern Hemisphere. All seasonal notes are for the Northern Hemisphere. The dates will change by one day every 70 years.

Incidentally, the word zodiac means circle of animals in Greek.


Constellation Common Name Start
Date End
Date Notes
1.Pisces The Fishes 12 Mar 18 Apr The Spring Equinox occurs when the Sun is in this constellation (20 to 22 March). Originally Babylonian. Very faint stars.
2.Aries The Ram 18 Apr 14 May Originally Greek (the ram with the golden fleece). Features a line of three stars. 2000 years ago, the Spring Equinox occured when the Sun was in this constellation. It was a prince to the Assyrians. It became a ram after the animal begun to be sacrificed at this time of year.
3.Taurus The Bull 14 May 21 Jun Greek or Minoan. The god, Zeus, in bull form to abduct a Phoenician princess. Very prominant constellation with two bright star clusters: The Pleiades (or Seven Sisters) and The Hyades. Its brightest star is Aldebaran ("eye of the bull" in Arabic).
4.Gemini The Twins 21 Jun 20 Jul The Twins, Castor and Pollux. They were sons of Zeus: one was immortal and the other wasn't. The Summer Solstice occurs when the Sun is in Gemini (21 to 22 June). The Northern tropic should now really be called, The Tropic of Gemini. A prominant constellation above Orion.
5.Cancer The Crab 20 Jul 10 Aug A small dim constellation with a pretty star cluster, Praesepe (The Beehive). It occurs in the story of the Greek hero, Hercules.
6.Leo The Lion 10 Aug 16 Sept A large distinctive constellation. It also occurs in the story of Hercules. Its brightest star is Regulus (Latin for "ruler").
7.Virgo The Virgin 16 Sept 31 Oct The largest constellation of the zodiac. It is Demeter, the Greek corn goddess. Its brightest star is Spica (Latin for "ear of corn"). The Autumnal Equinox occurs when the Sun is in Virgo (22 to 23 September).
8.Libra The Scales 31 Oct 23 Nov A small, faint constellation. Originally it was the claws of the scorpion but the Romans changed it to a balance or scales because the Autumn Equinox (when the days and nights are equal in length) occured with the Sun in this part of the sky 2000 years ago. It is the only non-living zodiac constellation.
9.Scorpius The Scorpion 23 Nov 29 Nov This is the scorpion that killed Orion, the Hunter. In the sky, Scorpius rises as Orion sets so the two are never visible together. It is a spectacular constellation, especially from the tropics or the southern hemisphere. Its brightest star is Antares, Greek for "rival of Mars" because of its prominant red colour. The name, Scorpio, is only used by astrolgers.
10.Ophiuchus The Serpent Bearer 29 Nov 18 Dec This is the Greek god of medicin, Asclepius, who is depicted holding a serpent, a traditional symbol for healing. This region of the sky contains many star clusters and the Milky Way.
11.Sagittarius The Archer 18 Dec 19 Jan This is Crosus, son of the Greek god, Pan, and the inventor of archery. This part of the sky contains the brightest portion of the Milky Way as it looks towards the centre of our Galaxy. It is not well seen from the northern hemisphere. The Winter Solstice occurs with the Sun in this constellation (20 to 22 December). The Southern tropic should now be called the Tropic of Sagittarius.
12.Capricornus The Sea Goat 19 Jan 16 Feb A small dim constellation. It originated in Babylonia.
13.Aquarius The Water Bearer 16 Feb 11 Mar Another dim constellation originating in Babylonia. At that time it was the rainy season when the Sun passed through this part of the sky. The constellation was previously a goose and a peacock. http://www.krysstal.com/zodiac.html
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm
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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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FYI- Just incase I did not post the site:

http://watch.pair.com/virgo.html


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