posted March 26, 2006 09:47 PM            

A simple response yet most struggle with that response. Now why am I writing this post. Well it so happened that the gospel reading of Christ at my church today answered so many questions that I had and I feel relieved. I thought that I must share with you all what I learnt today and to make it more interesting came with this Quiz.

Please read the following slowly and with total concentration.

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John - Chapter 3

Jesus continues to say......"
13. No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man.
14. And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15. so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life."
16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
18. Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19. And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil.
20. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed.
21. But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God.

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John.13.14 said, Moses raises the serpent so that people watching the serpent is healed.

Now meditate on the picture below for some time.

Now read John 13.14: so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15. so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life."

Now meditate on the picture below:

posted March 26, 2006 11:32 PM            

Awaiting what others think.

posted March 26, 2006 11:36 PM            

When it rises something happens.....Ring a bell to anyone. A bridge is established from one world to the other.

posted March 26, 2006 11:37 PM              

A Human with secret knowledge... Jesus/God/Evi'/Satan the same...

Jesus mastered the esoteric knowledge... he was in the world, but no longer of this world. Meaning, "Be in the world, but not of the world"

Cheers

posted March 26, 2006 11:41 PM              

The Kundalini rises when one is illuminated... meaning true enlightment!

posted March 27, 2006 01:52 AM            

My aim in this post is not to see who is right or wrong. Every one is unique and sees things as they are. Everyone must go within to experience Christ's love and everyone must focus on Him there. It does not matter how your brother/sister sees christ in himself, its important that we focus on our own christ.

There was a guy who would not only shoot his target but his neighbors target bulls eye and annoy him. Is this guy a winner or a loser? Well I heard someone say a winner. Wrong, he is a looser in my eyes.

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Right living is not about proving to others how often right we are but really about leading a life in the right spirit.

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There are two types of men in this world. One who takes the shortest route to his girlfriend and one who takes a longer route and enjoys the scenery on the way

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Once my priest asked me "Do you live in Christ? I replied no he lives in me."

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posted March 27, 2006 08:25 AM              

So you feel anointed.

He was a man. He cannot be inside you.

And would be disgusted at the representations of being on the cross...to a soul...that is akin to being cucified over and over...by millions! Think voo doo...whatever.

and...
Serpent here represents the Kundalini energy within each man.....=all of us not just him.

you also said:
There will be no judgement

>>>that is odd...since I saw no reason for you to judge.

posted March 27, 2006 09:10 AM            

Now everything around is energy. Scientists say the white sunlight is made of seven colors when seen in a prism.

Let me give an example, lets say the color blue appears to you one day saying I am from the light. Can't he say he is the son of white light?

I believe Jesus comes from one such unity (more later) who we are all a part of. Personification of one divine entity who left his seat in heaven for our salvation. I will go in deeper depths depending on responses, but there seem to be no people interested in discussions here I suppose and hence I said "There will be no judgement." BTW my belief is "The only religion that is that of 'Love'".

If you are in the occult world you will also know how Buddha was born. Some claim only known to the occultist. He had no father. And when borm he came out of the womb walking. So I do not understand why virgin birth is such a mystery to everyone.

Anyways, gotta go to work. Will be back.
Keep 'em rolling.

posted March 27, 2006 10:06 AM              

YOU:
Yes Christ the title of the anointed one.
Anointed by who?
Thats the one who is inside each person.

ME:
I assume you are speaking of God within? And Yeshua/Issa was in active communication with that aspect of his being...and by understanding this aspect....became anointed.

YOU:
Let me give an example, lets say the color blue appears to you one day saying I am from the light. Can't he say he is the son of white light?

ME:
Yes..your "example" man..(but NOT Yeshua/Issa!)from the white light. "But which white light? Literal or spiritual. BIG difference!
And that you chose "blue" makes me wonder about a few things.
May I ask why you chose "blue"?

YOU:
I believe Jesus comes from one such unity (more later) who we are all a part of.

ME:
Yes..but not that Blue/White one.
Most people...part of another unity related to the previous. Not of that Blue/White invader.

YOU:
Personification of one divine entity who left his seat in heaven for our salvation.

ME:
No...not for our salvation.
BUT....
This is not Yeshua/Issa!
GOD!
We are all God learning and growing and experiecing multiplicities of lives...through its beoming of All life here..by way of its sacrifice of its lonely oneness.
The reason for our Being.
The ultimate sacrifice!
Reactor/Creator, the entity that became lonely and shattered.
Creator became the Creation.
Reaction/Creation
Or:
Reactor=Reaction=Creator=Creation=RRCC=Us and all life.

YOU:
If you are in the occult world you will also know how Buddha was born. Some claim only known to the occultist. He had no father.

ME:
Pretty story...but except for the lower life forms, there has been no self conception that has been proven in the higher order of the animal kingdom of which we are a part. So unless she were a functional hermaphrodite..having both sperm and egg...or was able to clone her self(which would only produce a female offspring)...Then the lack of a father is just too much of a leap into mythos.

YOU:
And when borm he came out of the womb walking.

ME:
Humans are not cows. A baby big enough to walk at birth or have the muscle mass to walk...would not be a baby...but instead be a toddler. No woman gives birth to a toddler. Again a pretty story.

YOU:
So I do not understand why virgin birth is such a mystery to everyone.

posted March 27, 2006 08:08 PM              

For instance, the serpent. When I saw the pic, I was brought back to Genesis. When I went to church, back in the day, I was taught that the serpent was evil or "Satan." But going back...it doesn't say that. In fact, in talking to a Jewish friend recently, he said that their Satan isn't the same as a Christian Satan. He said they believe that Satan works FOR God, called the Adversary. So going back to Genesis, God wouldn't curse this serpent if it were Satan, his "employee" so to speak.

So I started to think, the snake may not be all that bad. Now I read your passage about Moses lifting up a serpent in the desert, just like the Son of Man must be. I wonder why Jesus and the serpent are given a comparison.

In reading further, Ive heard a theory that Genesis was the creation story that ended the reign of the Goddess, the serpent being a sacred thing to her. Her tempting Eve, then Adam to come back to worship. "God" stomping "Her" out and cursing her...it fits pretty well.

These are just theories Ive thought about or read about. Hope I didn't get off the subject too much.

posted March 27, 2006 10:52 PM            

Hi. Its a joy to read your thoughts too

It was often said here at LL "We all see things as we are." Well in that spirit my responses follows:

Christ is considered consciuosness. Like it or not we all must witness that consciousness at the gate before reaching the Father/Mother. Edgar cayce believed the same too. If you have read "Aquarian gospel of christ" Levi expounds on that concept.

Now it does not mean at all that you must agree with me there. I thought I will share with you my thoughts.

I think they both did not say much about the birth of Jesus. Levi almost wanted to censor out the information for some reason.

You said -- its not possible for man to walk out of womb. I really wanted you to know that for me virgin birth is more plausible than birth by rape. My mind says the jews/muslims would have spread the story of rape out of jealousy. You are pretty aware of human nature aren't you. Hahaha....thats a wrong question to ask a scorpio.

Questions such as "Did Chicken came first or egg? Will always intrigue mankind till the truth is disclosed. Given a choice of virgin birth or birth by rape, I will always choose the former. Not that I have preconceived notions of how the messiah must be. But my subconscious wills that I choose the virgin birth than a birth by rape as a plausible answer.

There is no proof for anyone to substantiate their beliefs. I think the Gods must be smiling at us humans.

Well Blue is my favourite color. Reminds me of ocean and the skies. Besides I look more good in blue than in red hahaha.

They say a scorpio must wear red/burgundy. They look smart in that. Is that your favourite color?

Cheers.

posted March 27, 2006 11:03 PM              

I love burgungy and red. But also Black and White and Ivory.

Ahhhh....
I agree with the rape idea..as a no go!
There was NO RAPE!
But it was not an immaculate conception either.
Something to ponder if you will:

Even the ancients knew of the sperm being required
for impregnation.
And a virgin can beome pregnant by using a device
to introduce sperm..or even a finger to depost sperm
near the cervix.
This lets her maintain "technical virginity" no matter
how many children are born to her...as long as she
never is penetrated by a penis. Of course during
childbirth she will lose her hymen. That would be
expected.
So..believe what you will...but remove for the moment
the far fetched notions and take one(or more) man's
ejaculate.....and insert very gently, without damaging
the hymen, into the vagina of a virgin.
Wow! Magic!
Now..if she is in a fertile phase she will conceve. This
can be done while she is sedated and she will never
know otherwise, unless told, how she became to be
"mysteriously" with child. Room there for alot of
brainwashing and other trickery.....depending on what
one would desire said virgin to believe. Also virgin
births were applied to many leaders/rulers and
mystics etcetera, in ancient times. This was a common
thing to do.....giving divine parentage to a Caesar and
so forth.

While indeed derogatory...
I do find this version of "Occam's Razor" rather amusing

The "principle of simplicity", the "KISS principle"
(Keep It Simple, Stupid),

Sooooo....
KISS

Yes..I read the Aquarian Gospel...
Not my cup of tea.

posted March 27, 2006 11:11 PM            

Hello and welcome. You said Jesus is said to have said that we can do greater things than what he did.

Absolutely. I agree cent percent with thee.

Anyway back to the subject. There is no esoteric knowledge required or occult to get the powers that Jesus mentioned.

All that is required is : lot of penance(mind over matter), patience, clear conscious, humility, discreetfullness, right judgement, compassion, empathy, love.

I honestly haven't met anyone with those qualities in this era. The one that I really admire of the people in the last century are Mahatman Gandhi and Mother Teresa. These people went out of their way to help people.

When the kundalini (the life force within each human (not animals) rises from the base of spine towards the penial gland, thats when you are connected to the infinite source. Did you see the movie matrix. Did you see how Neo's head and spines are connected to the matrix?

Well our brain is already plugged into the matrix (the source.) But the real connection happens when the life force rises like a serpent from the lower parts of your body (purposefully being vague here because wants students to follow the lead and do some research on own) and connects with the brain. A power equal to 10,000 suns is released and you can manifest in the outside world you desired in the inside. This power could be everyone's, some of the westerners have a knowledge of what I was speaking of and what I said may not be quiet new to them. Anyways......this can be a seperate post.

posted March 27, 2006 11:24 PM              

HHHmmm.....there are more than you think.
But they are too "normal" looking....too common...blending in rather than standing out from the crowd.
They do not chose to be worshipped or deified or sainted....as the one's you mentiioned were, or virtually were/are.
Your eyes can decieve you and so can your preconceptions of who is an adept at:
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There is no esoteric knowledge required or occult to get the powers that Jesus mentioned.

All that is required is : lot of penance(mind over matter), patience, clear conscious, humility, discreetfullness, right judgement, compassion, empathy, love.

posted March 28, 2006 09:44 AM              

So beware:
If you see one coming to mankind in clouds of glory and glitz and glamouring.....proclaiming "I am he!"....
Then you are a fool.
THAT is the deception added after the first part which is the opposite view.
As is seen here:
Mat 24:4
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25
Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

The business about clouds and trumpets and glory I feel was added by a deciever. Someone, or ones who wanted him to be the messiah and not a wise human being, a man who knew himself and therefore knew God.
Just as we all could if we would let ourselves..
Now....
To continue with some things to ponder:

Nag Hammadi Coptic Text

Jesus said, "If those who lead you (plur.) say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in heaven,' then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. But the kingdom is inside of you. And it is outside of you. "When you become acquainted with yourselves, then you will be recognized. And you will understand that it is you who are children of the living father. But if you do not become acquainted with yourselves, then you are in poverty, and it is you who are the poverty."

Oxyrhynchus

Jesus said, "[If] those who lead you [say to you, 'See], the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky [will precede you. If they say that] it is under the earth, then the fish of the sea [will enter it, preceding] you. And, the [kingdom of God] is inside of you, [and it is outside of you. Whoever] knows [himself] will discover this. [And when you] come to know yourselves, [you will realize that] you are [sons] of the [living] father. [But if you] will [not] know yourselves, [you dwell] in [poverty] and it is you who are that poverty."

posted October 15, 2007 08:47 PM            

Most in bible is so symbollic. Not sure I believe in anything any more

But perhaps Judas as Jesus's twin is symbollic. Or what if Lotus is right Jesus was born on June in the constellation of Gemini (twin).

posted October 15, 2007 11:43 PM            

How did I ever miss John 8:41? See below in bold. Hmmmm.......

Scripture: John 8:31-42
31 Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered him, "We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to any one. How is it that you say, `You will be made free'?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. 38 I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father." 39 They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did. 41 You do what your father did." They said to him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

King James Version: John Chapter 7

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41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
44 And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.

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Galatians Chapter 4

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4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

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posted October 15, 2007 11:43 PM            

How did I ever miss John 8:41? See below in bold. Hmmmm.......

Scripture: John 8:31-42
31 Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered him, "We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to any one. How is it that you say, `You will be made free'?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. 38 I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father." 39 They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did. 41 You do what your father did." They said to him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.

King James Version: John Chapter 7

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41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
43 So there was a division among the people because of him.
44 And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.

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Galatians Chapter 4

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4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

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