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ListensToTrees
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posted September 01, 2008 09:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message
God is consciousness. We are that consciousness. Consciousness wanted to know....infinite experience. Suffering was born out of a sense of deeper separation.

A part of the consciousness which decided to experience itself as a separate form, became curious and chose to challenge the laws of harmony- to seek control through destruction and fear. This happened over a period of Time. This part of consciousness only became more capable of destruction and causing suffering to others through its own amnesia of its true origins. It had to separate itself from the knowing of unity, of love, in order to become what it became. It was only an experiment; a dream of its own making. In Time, it could not remember the difference between the dream and who it really was.

The only truth there is is love.
Only wisdom through love can liberate us from suffering, because when we harm any other part of life, we harm a part of ourselves.....this in turn perpetuates suffering through the laws of karma. There is no need for guilt- only an awareness of love; an awakening of knowledge once more, of unity.

If this were to happen, an awakening, on a widespread/ global scale....then we would alter the very nature of our own dimension. We would rise to a level of a higher vibrational frequency and so would the world around us, and all of nature. Metaphorically, the lion would lie down with the lamb. All things are possible. The only limitations we have are the ones we create in our own minds. But life itself was made through consciousness.

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What would happen if this were to happen.......eventually in Time would we, any of us, ever get bored of harmony and wish to experiment with destruction? Not if we never forgot.....never forgot all of the lessons we have learned here, on Earth. We must never forget the pain we have caused each other here. We includes all sentient life. We must never forget the suffering.

Through love and knowledge, which makes wisdom, we will one day, in Time, set ourselves free.

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ListensToTrees
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posted September 01, 2008 09:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted September 02, 2008 12:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Awesome, LTT!

You inspire me.


God's Innocence is the reason for the Fall.

God is pure and unconscious of anything other than perfect harmony and love.

(To doubt that, would be to fall, in an instant, and not over time.)

God could not have known or anticipated the consequences of the Fall.

We are the lost child of God, the prodigal son or daughter of God.

And God's love will overflow itself, when we return unto Him.

Bringing with us the Wisdom gathered through Experience.

This is something auspicious.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted September 02, 2008 12:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message
There are so many ways to see it, so many ways that bring us closer to the Truth.


In the Garden, were we the child, lovingly instructed not to eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil;

But God's Experience could not inform our Innocence, and we partook of the fruit, wide-eyed in curiosity?

Who, then, is the Serpent that Tempts, the spirit that undermines the wisdom and experience of God?

Is it Time, who requires even of Gods? That they die? So new gods may come into the stream?

And is the love, wisdom, and experience of all gods gathered and preserved somewhere, outside of time, in the place where we also are tending?

Shall God be thereby enlarged, and shall our rewards be greater, in the merger?

Will God have Love and Wisdom enough to blot out the realm of Time altogether?

Or is that "blotting out" the denial of our experience and the casting away of Wisdom for the sake of Innocence?

And isnt this what led to the Fall?

Then, is Wisdom no better than Innocence?

Or is there a Wisdom that does not know itself as Wisdom?

A Compassion that has no consciousness of suffering?

A Truth that has no understanding of falsehood?

Something outside of time, even now... our Father.

How close is his spirit, if space is as creaturely as Time?

Is he close or is he far from us?

What is the effort to get to him?

If he is already present?

Are we like children who stumble, our eyes and hands so low to the ground, who have only to cast an upward glance to see and be reminded of our Lord?


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ListensToTrees
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posted September 02, 2008 01:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message

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ListensToTrees
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posted September 02, 2008 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
HSC, I read this last night- I became completely absorbed in it and couldn't stop....it relates to the same kind of questions and thoughts here (which seems quite synchronistic).

It is quite long, but the intro can be skipped; I went straight to the encounter.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/sos/

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted September 03, 2008 02:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I'll check it out, thanks.

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Obe
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posted September 03, 2008 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obe     Edit/Delete Message
that is the whole mystery of why we are here isn't it? something keeps fighting something

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Randall
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posted September 05, 2008 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I thought this was a more appropriate Forum.

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Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
>>>The Origin of Suffering and evil

When Buddha was enlightened - he called people to come under his refuse who had this question. He used to say, come to me, for I have attained.

And he immediately didn't tell them the truth. No one appreciates truth if it is told to them as is. And he had several other reasons I can't get in to considering this is a group. He guided them, spoke about paths for them. The four nobletruths and all that. And one day after 20 years contradicted what he said earlier on. It may seem contradiction but not considering the intellectual capacity of people in his time. The disciples needed to go thru a preparation before he reveals to them the truth. Even a farmer prepares the land before he sows. He ploughs the land, readies the soil, and then plants the seeds so that it shall take roots. Otherwise the seeds will wither.

BTW, The story of Eve eating from the tree of knowledge is not bad as has been depicted all along. The christian mystics has condemned this and introduced devil and all that crap. Intelligence not knowledge is required before you will be ready to surrender. The other meaning of the word Buddha means intellegence of highest order. The people who go to masses regularly have not surrendered yet. How many christian mystics do you know who belong to the temple and are enlightened? A handful perhaps in 2000 years.

It is also true though that once you become intelligent, you need to surrender it to God. Without any force. It must be natural. You surrender when you realize oneness. Great intelligence is required to surrender. Surrendering to existecnce is what I call when you attain salvation. You have been been thru millions of lives before this life. And when the time comes - Whole existence will know that you have attained. It will not go unnoticed. It has also been waiting for you, just as you have been waiting for it.


I hate to define things, but will say that typically 5-7 years in current time it takes an average guy before the soul is ready for Master to sow the final seeds of wisdom. It all depends on your conditioning. It is most receptive then when he has explored. I always wondered how Jesus produced so many saints out of his disciples in such a quick time of 3 years. Perhaps thats why christianity is so fragmented today. Hundreds of denominations exists today.

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posted October 15, 2008 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord, do all these things."

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listenstotrees
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posted May 09, 2010 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9YbCGEYmk

Evidence that consciousness creates DNA, not the other way around.
(about 10 minutes into link)

I don't agree with everything he says (in other presentations and such), but the information in the above link is very interesting.

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DiandraReborn25
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posted May 28, 2010 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
it is so similar to what i read in celestine prophecy or conversations with God.

also Eckart Tolle says that the origin of suffering and evil comes from the EgoSelf.

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Nephthys
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posted July 07, 2010 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Emily

Emily, been reading some of your old posts here, and I just realized I have known you forever.........since the old, old, OLD LG site a long time ago..........when you were Esoteric Em, and when I was me.

And I just have 1 thing to ask you:

I want you to teach me to be a nicer person I hope you see this

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listenstotrees
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posted July 08, 2010 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Nephthys,

You are too kind.

I don't feel worthy of such kind compliments.


I write from the heart. But does that necessarily make me a good person? What if in life I am a tormented being, plagued by unanswered questions and confusion over the meaning of life and existence, struggling to fit in, wanting to find true companionship/ friends without having to wear a mask...but rarely being able to find it....Battling with depression for many years; searching for the strength to overcome it and get ahead in life, be independent, but not having the willpower to do so....one day I may be ok but the next I may not.....

That is my shadow, and I am trying to learn to have empathy for it and learn to love and forgive this part of myself, and not to treat myself in ways that are cruel, in ways people who don't have the understanding to empathize and therefor have the patience might. If I have learned, through suffering, that I wish to treat others with gentleness and compassion, then why can't I learn to be this way with myself? Maybe through loneliness, I fear that somehow my own opinions/ ways of seeing things are less worthy than theirs....the ones who do not practice empathy in compassion in the same way. And so my confused mind has been reflecting the way the way they would treat me upon myself, and maybe much worse. I need to have more belief in myself.

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Nephthys
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posted July 08, 2010 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Em,

You are far more wonderful than you think & know. Your words are purely brilliant as well as your heart and soul. You have always been very open, honest, and up-front about who you are. What you just said, you've expressed to me before and I understand what you mean, but some of your answers are actually in your post here.
It really helps me to read things like this that you post and it helps me to remember. I really need to get back into spirituality so much more like I used to; with the hustle and bustle of daily life/work/responsibilities/relationships/etc. it is sooooo easy for me to "forget"......it is so hard for me not to react too quickly to things (Aries moon) when instead, I should reflect, ponder, and just wait awhile.
I can't imagine my online experience without you these past 13 years through all the different LG sites that have existed.
You have taught me patience, compassion, empathy, forgiveness, love, understanding. You've also taught me to "search" for more.

Thank you for being YOU and your never-ending friendship

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listenstotrees
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posted July 09, 2010 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you

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puppet04
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posted August 14, 2010 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for puppet04     Edit/Delete Message
Listen to trees that's an interesting link- I also read this Anceint Sumeria creation story states we were created as a slave/biogentic expierment race..

Orginal Sin was Eve eating from the tree of knowledge, apple or pomengrante repersents spirtual knowledge.. Lucifer is bringer of light, illumnates etc.

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