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oneruledbymars
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posted March 15, 2009 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
So recently I have been re-reading the Bible again. But this time from a position of an expanded mind. Throwing out religious dogma. And thus far it has been quite interesting.
I was wondering if any one would be interested in dissecting the Adam and Eve story.

For instance, taking the story literally word for word, had they not committed the great "sin" of choosing to eat the fruit, would they not have become bored and listless in Paradise?
Condemned to an eternity of passivity and inertia. As divinity incarnate, they would have had no cardinal reason to exist, no purpose for which to seperate from God and make there way beyond the garden of eternal light and perfection.
Even more compelling speaking in the metaphor of Adam and Eve and disobedience, is the realization that without "sin" there would have been no human race, for would they have indulged in sexual union?
Hell they didnt even know they were naked?
In the end what I am saying is what purpose would their existence have served? Could it be that the Supreme Being would have created such a vacuous duo just to have them aimlessly wonder through eternity as his obedient servants, prototypes of a race that was never to be?
Would you consider that a blessing, or an act of love... or intelligence?
Surely it would make no sense in the cosmicc scheme of things and, as such, plays out as a dead end in what we know is a constantly evolving universe.

So here is what I think. Only in that crisis moment, when Eve confronted the Shadow and accepted responsibility for her very excistence, did life take on meaning and purpose. Eve, the archtype of the intuitive half of our Universe, convinced Adam, our logical minds to trust that God willed upon them there individuality.... there existence as extensions of the Godhead, conscious beings who would be responsible for their independent, free-will decisions.
This analysis of the creation myth sees the intuition correctly guiding and influencing the logic, an interpretation which overturns the religious establishments rendition of the Adam and Eve story. That scenario depicts poor Adam resisting as best he can Eves weakness in the face of temptation and then eventually giving in to her "sinful desire", and in so doing, defying God. In this version, logic attempts to overrule the erring intuition and, losing suffers the condemnation caused by the unforgivable error- defiance fo Gods mandate to look but not touch the tree of "knowledge good and bad."

Through this distorted interpretation of the Eden myth, the exoteric ministers are warning you that you must not trust your intuition, that you are not gods in your own right, and that you are incapable of knowing truth. It is the obedience fundamental, over and over again, for here is another aspect of the dogma that positions God outside of you, while enforcing the belief that only through obedience can you assured absolution.

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posted March 16, 2009 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX        Reply w/Quote
I have ranted on about this many many many times.

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posted March 16, 2009 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu        Reply w/Quote
Great observations oneruledbymars,

Mars .... the masculine(logic) planet. I am surprised that you got it LOL. May be you are now ready to drop mars and understand venus (feminine) better LOL.


Anywho, the inner guide was first heard by Eve and therefore she is closer to God as I mentioned so many times. Also read the gnostics bible -- beware though as , much of it is also build around mythos as most religions are.

And Eve is not condemned really. Because of her compassion , she is ready to be conceive a child even with all that labor pain. Also note the bible authors has condemned Adam (man, logic). It appears condemnatory ...but in reality nothing is condemnatory. Everyome/thing takes time before returning to the source. Its just a matter of our own evolution.

Hehe..saw another thread where they said 'Israelis' are the most irreligious. Indeed, they have grown and ready to throw such dogmas and venture in to newer understanding. Its a different story that their own bible is composed of stories from so many cultures existing in their time.


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posted March 16, 2009 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
Hey Mannu!
How are ya?

Thanks, yeah I think I am visiting Venus for a while. Gets boring being on Mars all the time. *wink*

You know it just burns me up because the heirarchy that we have given our power to in the past, is the exalted yang male energy of clerics whose historic interpretations of the Garden of Eden present us with a victimized Adam who. tantalized by the temptress is lured into disobedience by the persuasive yin force. There equation plays out so that Eve becomes the equivalent of sin; the archtype of intuition and inner knowing is condemned- the Goddess sabotaged!
Why?
And then look at how women have been systematically disempowered since the days of the Atlantean intervention, when the priestess power was so great: a time of nurturing of the soul and enlightenment in what was the golden hour of humanity. The male population, having tired of centuries of female supremacy, was easily incited to rebellion-activated by the Annunaki warriors-and has held the pendulum since then for 1000s of years. This is why most myth and history recorded by men, have preserved the image of teh woman as temptress, ***** , mother, and wife. Woman as goddess-power appears only in those fragments of Earth's recorded history when humankind reached great intellectual and spiritual heights.

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posted March 16, 2009 12:52 PM              Reply w/Quote
There is a fascinating dissection of the story in this book:
http://www.amazon.com/God-Verb-Kabbalah-Practice-Mysti cal/dp/1573226947/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237221431&sr=1-1

Chapter 3, The Garden of Eden

It approaches the story according to the 4 levels of interpretation:

1. Literal

2. Implied
(metaphor, analogy)

3. Interpreted
(with reference to additional material, external to the text)

4. Hidden/Mystical


Jewish mysticism is a tradition that is particularly rich in dialectics and hermeneutics;
the Torah is always being debated and reinterpreted, and this is not heresy, but, rather, orthodoxy.

The Torah itself tells us there are as many possible interpretations of the Torah as there are readers of the Torah.


Happy Hunting,
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posted March 16, 2009 05:15 PM              Reply w/Quote
That book I mentioned gives this information:

EDEN, from Akkadian "edinu" (from Sumerian "eden"),
meaning "plain", as in prairie or plateau.

Genesis mentions Four Rivers. These are possibly:
The Tigris, The Euphrates, The Nile, and either The Ganges or The Indus.
The Persian Gulf is believed by most to be the "undivided river" spoken of.

I've written all sorts of theories about the garden story, btw.

I just found some stuff on it in one of my notebooks:

Serpent is the Kundalini
Eve's Clit (or Puss?) is the Apple
Serpent tempts Eve
She masterbates
Becomes sexually aware
Bids Adam "taste the fruit"
They have sex,
Becoming "as God is";
United, both male and female,
and capable of Creation.
The pains of childbirth follow naturally.
Exile from the Garden is the loss of
freedom and innocence that comes w/ parenthood.

The "fact" that the human race is founded out of wedlock and in disobedience
serves to explain the apparent breach between God and man; heaven and earth.
We transgressed His will, hence, the foundations of our traditions
are necessarily misplaced, makeshift, mortal, exiled and estranged.

In addition,
The story was probably intended to inculcate an aversion
to the punishment of exile; the prescribed consequence of
unsanctioned (premarital) intercourse within the community.
The couple who engaged in unsanctified intercourse would be cast out,
and the foundations of their religious life would be cut off from the community,
just as Adam and Eve were forced to found their family outside of Paradise.
God's covenent with Adam and Eve parallels His covenant with Moses.
If the Garden legend preceded the legend of Mt. Sinai (i dunno),
it could have been appropriated for considerations such as these,
or, if already in the tradition, these considerations might have served
to provide links between the legends, thereby suggesting the wisdom of God.

Torah scholars would be unlikely to overlook these interpretations,
since their entire business is hermeneutics; intuitively mixing,
sampling, and re-mixing records of the past.

Like scriptural MC's.

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Mannu
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posted March 17, 2009 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu        Reply w/Quote
oneruledbymars,
I am hanging on. Interesting that you made a connection of this story with Anunaki. Well most the bible is really borrowed anyways.

The Annunakis, I think that may be these people are not aliens but stories of remnants of very old civilizations where they knew how to harness Gold. I didn't pay attention to that story. 'Epic of Gilgamesh' represents a pinnacle of literatur during some lost era as well. And then Atlantis the last known civilization. Sorry even the Mayans were superior up until they tried travelling through portals by killing people.


There was this british author who provided a very remarkable view of this story. I will post it here if I remember his name and book. Or perhaps I did it already in the past. It was very stunning.


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posted March 19, 2009 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant        Reply w/Quote
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D,

I dont think anybody on this thread suggested that it is literally true.

We are all pretty far beyond that, if you want to join in the discussion.

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posted March 21, 2009 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie        Reply w/Quote
So where does Lilith come into this?

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oneruledbymars
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posted March 22, 2009 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
HSC-
Interesting takes on it.

Leave it up to you to find the sex in it.
lol

Mannu-
I will have to check out the Epic of Gilgamesh Mannu. That Asteroid is conjunct my ASC and makes Aspects to Sirius, and my Atlantis, NN, DNA, and Pluto.
Should be an interesting read for me.

D for Defiant-
Thanks for sharing dude, we know that its fictional at least I do. I just wonder "who" "what" and "how" in the making of it.
It clearly has some power to it, so there must be some threads of truth weaved into it, or else it would not be in the belief system of the masses. We must shine light into darkness before we can see its machinations.

Quinnie-
Good question girl. What is your take on Lilith?

Whats interesting in my Chart is that Lilith is at 20 Leo. Adams is at 20 Cancer. And Evelyn and Sekina are at 19 and 21 Gemini. There all sextiling each other making aspects to my Moon and Neptune. I am thinking that is why all of this is of interest to me.


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The offering of the apple to Eve
has traditionally symbolized temptation,
and the offering of the apple by Eve,
to Adam, has symbolized sexual temptation.

It was that way when I found it.

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posted March 23, 2009 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant        Reply w/Quote
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posted March 24, 2009 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie        Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm my take on Lilith, a mastermind way to seperate the female essence and create the virgin/***** misconception in order to control the masses. Lilith and Eve represent two facets of female sexuality, control and manipulation verusus submission and innocence. Lilith looks back on Eve as Eve is her past (christmas eve) Lilith is what needs to be embraced.

Dark Moon lilith is conjunct my Pluto exact in first house ..... Thats why I scare people.

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posted March 24, 2009 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
HSC-
I know I am just teasin ya!
lol
But your little grin there says it all buddy!

D for Defiant-
lol
Ah man
*covers mouth*
*mumbles*
Im sorry.

I didnt realize it. I am always doing that
here. Its my Sag Moon! I swear! lol

Quinnie-

lol
I like that!
And your right, it is a mastermind way to seperate the Divine Feminine Energy, while they do everything in the power to evoke her energies through all forms of rituals.

Conjunct Pluto!
Scared of you girl! lol
I knew you were a force to be reckoned with.
Your poor men!
lol
They probably spend half the relationship trying to put you in a box. All the while your not havin that! lol

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posted March 25, 2009 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie        Reply w/Quote
ORBM... hehe Thats sooo true. I'll pass on your sympathies to my fella, he will be more than happy to hear it!

Lilith also has something to do with feeling outcast or literally exiled from society... I can identify with that.
I wonder if Christina Aguilera has Lilith heavily aspected, her song 'Can't hold us down' seems to me to have a Lilith influence.

Interesting aspects you have, thats one factor as to why you gel so well with women perhaps?...

By the Way forgot to ask before but, any developments with the guy you met, the Aries?

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posted March 25, 2009 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
Your probably right. I do have the ability to empathize with women very well. I innately adore the energy that they have. There really is no reason why Eve could not have been created first. *wink*

Mr Aries. *sigh*
I am not sure what to make of the men in my life right now. They are all good men. But they all seem to be missing something. Its almost like the perfect menn are manifesting themselves to me like holographic programs. But they are not on the same page spiritually as I am. And that is something that I refuse to settle for. The only thing is that everytime I let one go. Another seems to pop up, who is even hotter, or sexier, or sweeter, and more irresistable. So I have decided to just stay focused on me and my spiritual path right now. And if they don't fit the agenda that me and my Higher Self have planned out then I say to hell with them.
I know that sounds mean. But experience has taught me not to throw my pearls to swine. lol
He is hot though girl!
And doesnt seem like he has any intention on leaving me alone. So we will see how long he can keep it one sided. Perhaps in the process he can become more spiritually aware as well. Who knows!
What a world, what a world! lol

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posted March 26, 2009 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie        Reply w/Quote
ORBM

You sound like a very wise man! You know what you want, how Mars of you...
IT's something I'm realising in choosing friends, partners, career (work colleagues). I don't want to spend my life compromising either and I'm a Libran
Good for you.... It sounds like the Uinverse is testing you lol...."Another seems to pop up, who is even hotter, or sexier, or sweeter, and more irresistable. "... How do you cope!

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posted March 30, 2009 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
Quinnie-
I guess we all are learning similiar lessons right now.
I don't know about wise. I only had to run around the tree about 20 times before I learned how to climb it! lol

Randall-
You cant just sneak in and give us an innocent smile without saying something! lol

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posted March 31, 2009 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie        Reply w/Quote
Yeah Randall, where is the love huh?

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Mannu
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posted April 01, 2009 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu        Reply w/Quote
ORBM, I am sure you will like that story ...its about love between two men

but the story is symbolic really -- it was his higher self he fell in love with.

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posted April 01, 2009 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars        Reply w/Quote
Lately that seems to be the story of my life Mannu!
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posted April 03, 2009 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu        Reply w/Quote
There is a woman in every man. Linda Goodman said it too. All ancients have said it.

In the bible story it is meant that there is an Eve within every Adam. The Devil surely enters you thru Eve and tempts Adam. He cannot temp Adam directly. Adam ends up listening to Eve and tastes the fruit and therefore falls from the kingdom. He never wants to give up the fruit after that. But when he does give up, he is back in the garden of Eden, eternally blissful.

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posted April 03, 2009 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu        Reply w/Quote
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