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Quinnie
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posted December 14, 2009 03:33 PM
 
What if it was general knowledge that the heavens revealed which souls were ready to be born and that many Virgins were impregnated on the night that specific alignments were occurring say just over 2000 years ago. Then the 'One' who was chosen to be the "Messiah's" mother, was only revealed in time as the life of her child ran parallel to the continual planetary alignments.
What if it was only then confirmed in his death that he was indeed the "Messiah" because again at the precise moment of his death the astrological alignments or phenomena showed this.What if we are all God's sheep and he will lose not one of us, not even the murderers or the rapists or the thieves? What if we don't know until after death who we really are or who anyone is as Saints, Sinners, prophets etc. Would it make a difference to our living knowing what we know in our death? I have been wondering for a while about where heaven and hell is and where you go when you die... I mean where does your consciousness go? I believe that the Sojourns Edgar Cayce talks about is just that,.... the soul lives out the spiritual print of life via sojourns (living spiritually consciously in Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, Mars) exactly matching the astrological chart you are born to so that when you born all you do is relive that materially.
To me the consciousness experienced in Heaven is like that of the Jupiter or maybe the Sun and that of Hell is Saturn.
The soul is magnetically attracted to the soul energy pattern of sojourns before being magnetically attracted to the body,biological, gravitational forces of physical life. What if you knew that the only reason astrology came with a death penalty all those years ago was because believing in the stars and Suns as God only debilitated the will of God, in you, that you are a spark of the creator who created the stars and the sun, therefore do they rule you as a child rules it's mother? Or do you soar with your soul to allow the spiritual self to live on earth and be made physically manifest?
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katatonic
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posted January 08, 2010 09:18 PM
i don't really follow ALL of this quinnie...nor do i believe in heaven or hell as such. anyway i think we not only make the stars, as you put it, but we make our charts. so believing in astrology is not about being limited by your chart so much, but that you CHOSE your chart to explore those possibilities THIS time... because 3D is by definition full of limits. and when in other spheres/ dimensions where the limitless is so much easier/more natural there are LIMITS to one's ability to actually EXPERIENCE anything in particular...because EVERYTHING is all together at the same time...a hard concept to corral into words isn't it? but we basically come here to ENJOY limits. kiind of like...when you go to an amusement park or carnival, if you tried to do all the rides at once you wouldn't have much fun, but one by one they are great...yet you can't have bits of one in another or it wouldn't work, so you would get NEITHER. so when i chose to birth into a leo life, i put the libra option on the shelf for another life...!? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 11, 2010 08:27 PM
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"I have found a desire within myself that no experience in this world can satisfy; the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." -C.S. Lewis IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 24, 2010 06:27 PM
hmmm Kat intersting.. I went off on one when I originally posted this... I think there are lots of gaps to fill in... But you explain it so well...
"because 3D is by definition full of limits. and when in other spheres/ dimensions where the limitless is so much easier/more natural there are LIMITS to one's ability to actually EXPERIENCE anything in particular...because EVERYTHING is all together at the same time...a hard concept to corral into words isn't it? but we basically come here to ENJOY limits."Do you have lots of Saturn influence in your chart.. you explain things in such a pratcical way.. I love it! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 25, 2010 10:08 PM
i have saturn five deg away from my merc and both sextile uranus making a yod to my asc.aqua (uranus and saturn again)...jupiter in cap...but in h12...and my pisces moon does throw a spanner in the works most of the time!do you ever talk to your little uns about this stuff? my grandson is fascinated by heaven and hell ideas, and what happens when you die...he's a scorp natch! though he's not sure he likes the idea of "coming back" very much...i always remind him how nobody really knows till they die whether what they BELIEVE is TRUE... he is very open-minded about this stuff...BUT he WILL NOT discuss outer space, it creeps him out in a way that seems very direct and personal. i have always called him super boy because he was born during a major meteor shower. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 26, 2010 03:48 PM
You know what I haven't... I'm afraid to. I think it's because they go to a catholic school and I don't want to rock the boat. We don't practise any religion but they do at school. Do you think I should start?Born during a meteor shower hmm... a Little Prince? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 27, 2010 01:33 AM
i don't bring these things up. his dad is a "god-fearing" man and i don't want him getting paranoid that i'm corrupting his son!! but i do talk about it when he asks questions. and ALWAYS qualify it with how we can't know for sure till we actually get there; because i don't want him to be scared of god or to be himself...fortunately religiously conservative as he is the dad also is completely comfortable talking with the spirits of dead loved ones. gS liked the idea that we get to come back and try again. but found coming back into a baby's body "kinda creepy" until i reminded him of some of the things he has said about when he "lived here before" - i never discussed these things much with my daughter except to explain things i was doing when she asked, like meditating and drawing charts...she is very psychic, i have seen her physically knocked back by the leftover energy in a healer's office. naughty or inept healer didn't clean it very well!! and she had a habit of finishing people's sentences and answering their unsaid questions... kids can handle this stuff and i take advantage of opportunity to remind them of things, but in as down-to-level way as possible; i discovered thru experience that their peers can really make it uncomfortable for them if they let on too much... and i NEVER explain unless they ask or something has really upset them...but given the opening i will refresh their memories so they don't forget! catholic school is a dangerous place for ideas like these, so you are probably doing the right thing. but at some point you have to add the counterbalance to all that dogma, no? i would keep it very simple and if they're old enough somehow let them know that a lot of people are sure they KNOW the answers even though there are so many different answers!! my parents were very anti-religion but they let me go to sunday school when i asked to. and i even attended a church for a few years (to be in the choir and see what it was all about) no one ever said a word against it and in fact my mother thought the minister was a 100% good guy. he spoke truth to bigots and put the church's heart in the right place. i think she actually liked some of the ceremonies, she grew up in a convent after all. but even as a child they were open about why they turned away from their religions and organized religion in general. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted March 27, 2010 05:29 PM
That's a wealth of experience and advice for me Kat... I talked to them yesterday. Leo asked me what I was doing and I said reading at astrology and explained that it looked at the stars in the sky, and mummy likes to imagine what it's like up there. And if we use our imagination we could pretend to be anywhere we wanted. And then I thought... that's enough for today.
He tells me nearly everyday that God made the world and recently I asked him how do you know that? And then I thought perhaps I shouldn't confuse him. He thinks God has made the birds and the insects and everything but I STILL have to shout at him to mind the beatle... don't stand on it because he's trying to find his mummy. I'm thinking I will perhaps just keep my mouth shut until as you say, he really starts to question things.
You had a very interesting upbringing and your parents sound soo cool and independent thinkers! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 27, 2010 06:44 PM
i am sure you will find the right time and the right words..  IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 01, 2010 02:29 PM
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"I have found a desire within myself that no experience in this world can satisfy; the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." -C.S. Lewis IP: Logged |
Cancer/Scorpio729
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posted April 04, 2010 12:28 AM
May I add something?My take on the whole Heaven and Hell thing is that they are both different dimensions. Hell being a place you go if you spiritually digress or sin and a place where spiritual learning is very basic. Heaven would then be the end of the road, where you go when you are finished learning. Edgar Cayce's sojourns always started in dark, murky places where people where calling to him and begging him to stay, and as he moved forward things became brighter, as if he were moving through these different worlds. The end was a white light, and from there he would find a book that told him everything he needed to know about the entity he was searching for. IP: Logged |
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