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oneruledbymars
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posted March 10, 2010 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
On page 54 in the July 1958 Scientific American, in the article "Profile of Creativity," there is the following apt comparison:

The creative scientist analyzes a problem slowly and carefully, then proceeds rapidly with a solution. The less creative man is apt to flounder in disorganized attempts to get a quick answer. Indeed he is! How often have we seen our answer-grabbers get into trouble. The fact is that problems and answers are simply different ways of looking at a relationship, a structure, an order. A problem is a picture with a piece missing; the answer is the missing piece. The children who take time to see, and feel, and grip the problem, soon find that the answer is there. The ones who get in trouble are the ones who see a problem as an order to start running at top speed from a given starting point, in an unknown direction, to an unknown destination. They dash after the answer before they have considered the problem. What's their big hurry?

Here are Elaine, the answer-grabber, and Barbara, the thinker, at work on the problem 3/4 + 2/5 = ?

Elaine (adding tops and bottoms, as is her usual custom): Why not 5/9?

Barbara: 5/9 is less than 3/4. She saw that since 2/5 was added to 3/4, the answer would have to be bigger than 3/4; so 5/9 could not be it. But this went right over Elaine's head.

Elaine: Where's the 3/4?
Barbara: In the problem!

Yet I doubt that any amount of explaining could have made Elaine understand what Barbara was saying, far less enable her to do the same kind of thinking for herself.

The poor thinker dashes madly after an answer; the good thinker takes his time and looks at the problem. Is the difference merely a matter of a skill in thought, a technique which, with ingenuity and luck, we might teach and train into children? I'm afraid not. The good thinker can take his time because he can tolerate uncertainty, he can stand not knowing. The poor thinker can't stand not knowing; it drives him crazy.

This cannot be completely explained by the fear of being wrong. No doubt this fear puts, say, Monica under heavy pressure; but Hal is under the same pressure, and maybe I am as well. Monica is not alone in wanting to be right and fearing to be wrong. What is involved here is another insecurity, the insecurity of not having any answer to a problem. Monica wants the right answer, yes; but what she wants, first of all, is an answer, any old answer, and she will do almost anything to get some kind of answer. Once she gets it, a large part of the pressure is off. Rachel was like this; so was Gerald, and many others. They can't stand a problem without a solution, even if they know that their solution will probably be wrong. This panicky search for certainty, this inability to tolerate unanswered questions and unsolved problems seems to lie at the heart of many problems of intelligence. But what causes it?

Some might say here that this is all a matter for the psychiatrists. I am not so sure. A person might well be distrustful in personal relationships and still have a kind of intellectual confidence in the universe. Or is this possible? And if so, can it be taught in school?

I find this ineteresting also...a friend of mine was talking about children yesterday. Intelligent children that is... and the difference in them and other children. One thing we see in our intelligent children is that they are intensely involved with life. These children don't withdraw from life; they embrace it. We spoke once of a love affair with learning. These children seem to have a love affair with life. Think of the gusto with which a child tells a story about himself. Intelligent children act as if they thought the universe made some sense. They check their answers and their thoughts against common sense, while other children, not expecting answers to make sense, not knowing what is sense, see no point in checking, no way of checking. Yet the difference may go deeper than this. It seems as if what we call intelligent children feel that the universe can be trusted even when it does not seem to make any sense, that even when you don't understand it you can be fairly sure that it is not going to play dirty tricks on you. How close this is in spirit to the remark of Einstein's, "I cannot believe that God plays dice with the universe."

This has been a thought I have been contemplating a while. I would love to know if anyone has has an opinion on this...I do way to much research but this article has stuck with me for sometime so I thought I would share it. I personally over the past 2 years have struggled to learn to trust again...and I thnk its something we all have to do. Because at some point we all lose that unwavering trust in the Universe. And as adults in order to make it through the next 10 years..I feel like that trust is going to be all we have at times...I could be wrong though...guess we will just have to wait and see.

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posted March 20, 2010 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I fully trust myself so I trust the universe, being born into it and all that I trust my judgement

That's an absolutely fascinating outlook on intelligent children. I was considered an intelligent child and that was so true of me...I loved every little moment of life until I got older and allowed fear and doubt to enter, now I'm trying to shoo that fear away again.
One thing I knew I had as a child was self belief and what is termed "courage"... and it was in losing those qualities that I lost my zest for life..... and brains

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posted March 20, 2010 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
good question, orbm; i, like quinnie, do trust the universe, but as you point out most of us go through a period where we don't; the trusting child receives ten too many knocks either physical or emotional and starts to shut down somewhat. so there was a point where i had to take a conscious turn around to start trusting it again!!

you mentioned einstein, and i have noticed that MOST of the brightest, most rational, scientific minds i have read or studied came to basically the same conclusion. as buckminster fuller put it, he made up his mind never to "believe" anything he had not tested or experienced, and after 50 years of study and research and work, he came to the conclusion that there is far too much order in the universe for it to be put down to coincidence. and so he RATIONALLY decided that god, or a power that some identify as god, does actually exist. not a personified deity, but an invisible force much like the more modern version many are coming to believe in....

and he believed that Universe, as he called it, always supported whatever contributed to the constant regeneration and evolution of the universe...

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posted March 20, 2010 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Great thread!

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posted March 22, 2010 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mermaid26     Edit/Delete Message
Love this statement Katatonic...

and he believed that Universe, as he called it, always supported whatever contributed to the constant regeneration and evolution of the universe...

I was a combination of very introverted yet quite social, got along with everybody as a child. Perhaps hypersensitive to all feelings/emotions or just typically Piscean I often sat in nook happily reading to "escape." I'm always working on having more Faith to relax and enjoy the truly "good things" in life, to be more present and aware in each moment. Perhaps no accident then that I always rushed and ran so that now I can practice calm and awareness.

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posted March 23, 2010 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"I have found a desire within myself that no experience in this world can satisfy; the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." -C.S. Lewis

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posted March 23, 2010 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
@ Quinnie:
Same here Quinnie!
I was and always have been totally enamored with life and I wanted to experience it in everyway.
I did lose a lot of that though especially as I got older and my Ego grew larger.
I find that I'm starting to trust again though. I had to be broken down and completely rebuilt to learn how to again. The body is a Temple that must be crafted and maintained in such a way so that it can house the Soul first.
These next 10 years will be trying for humanity but I find that I'm able to trust that all is as it should be. Because there is no real answer only theories.
That gave my Sag Moon a blow, you know. To know and trust the experience of life in the moment is tough man! To stop experiencing yourself and really see things, situations, people yourself even, for who you really are and not who who have been programmed to think requires a paradigm shift from within, one only your higher self can initiate and this is out of our control even as our Destiny is. But after it has happened it leaves you amazed at the vastness of the Energy we are apart of.
I remembered you asked about Souls recently right?
Here is the closest I have come to the truth of an answer. We....Energetically are a stream of consciousness. The source of which I feel there is not a real answer for at the time. Consider the possibilty Quinn that you are now experiencing yourself at one of your lowest form of existence. The Chihuahua can't see that he is smaller til he experiences an outer body experience which is not his to have yet. We as humans can have that though, we are able to transcend our Ego should we chose. We can be open to the true possiblities of our existence...and it is nothing short of mind boggling.....we are so much more than we think we are and so much smaller than the smallest grain of sand in the scheme of things. And yet here we are. On the brink of true self discovery......
In order to figure out where our souls have come from we must first know our Souls.....Jesus did. And so must we, we must Re-member our first incarnation into consciousness. I feel this is different for all of us. As different as each of our Energies have become after so many incarnations regardless of the Source.
The key to the answer is knowing the continuity of our own existence. We can no longer take it for granted why we are here. We cannot give this duty over to religion or a scientist or a New Age philosopher even, we must do it ourselves.
And this Self Education as it were is a long journey inward. Destruction and Regeneration are the the name of the game. Transformation being the results

I am convinced though that we are here just to be...as it were and nothing else. Whatever happens, happens. Its like surrender, you give up your life but you gain the world as it were.
Of course there is much more to that because of free will, destiny......but we must give credit to Gaias energy and she is not one to hand over everything to fate. There does exist I think a sheer force of will in some humans to win at all cost.

Quite simply though we came to experience something....and as a kid we remembered that.

@Kat:

I loved what you wrote....as of late I seem to relish the Energetic connection with people whose frequencies are close to mine. Or maybe I'm just able to concretely and consistently see it now.

I absolutely loved Fullers conclusion. So sterile but solid. And that is where we need to begin if we are to find our way back home again.

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posted March 23, 2010 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
he wrote a great book near the end of his life, called "critical path". i don't agree with all his conclusions or solutions but i was very impressed that this man everyone sees as such an overachiever actually sat down and worked out that if his theory was right - that the universe would support anything that was contributing to its constant regeneration and evolution - then if he did only that, it would also support HIM...and so started a 50 year "experiment" - he being the "subject" observed - to prove that "working for a living" is COMPLETELY unnecessary and actually counterproductive.

his life work is the result. and though he admits he gave into pressure from his friends and family sometimes, every time he got a "job" it all fell apart and he was forced back into the "experiment", ie trusting the universe to provide as long as HE was working on the "regeneration and evolution" of ALL, not just himself. because he saw himself as one thread in the fabric of the universal web...

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posted March 23, 2010 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
That is so interesting Kat.
I do need to read his book then. Your not the first person to recommend him.
What a fascinating man.......I bet his life story is awesome.

Have you learned to trust again Kat?

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posted March 24, 2010 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I don't trust people at all. But the universe...yeah.

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posted March 24, 2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
So true Randall...I admire people like you. I just learned not to trust people. It was a lesson learned several times the hard way. But I get it now. So that's all that counts.

Have you always been that way or did you have to learn, some of my friends were born not trusting I admire them as well.

And how do you feel about not being able to trust people does it ever sadden you that you can't trust more people?

Thankfjully we have our connection to the Universe.

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posted March 24, 2010 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
ORBM... ".Energetically are a stream of consciousness"..... Yes I agree... I used to say to my mum, who is a complete atheist now that... how can we just go and there be nothing if we arrived in the first place?
I told her that I think we just live on in like a dreaming state... which is really just another level of consciousness.
Sleep can be quoted as "la petite mort" or little death, as well as orgasm, and it is a similar feeling... letting go of the body fight to live, it is a surrender.

I think what we learn to do in incarnations is harness that unconsciousness by bringing it to consciousness, to rationalise the feeling, the impulse, the drive, so that the mind knows the soul and vice versa.

What I don't understand is how our consciousness is able to gravitate towards a body...

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posted March 24, 2010 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Quinnie, you are on it girl. What brought us here? Obviously we agreed to it. (It is a lot of fun).
I feel like again the key is remembering our first lifeline of the manifestion of our consciousness into 3D existence.
We have been denied our heritage for so long....its sad really. Humans are so much more than they believe.

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posted March 25, 2010 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"good question, orbm; i, like quinnie, do trust the universe, but as you point out most of us go through a period where we don't; the trusting child receives ten too many knocks either physical or emotional and starts to shut down somewhat. so there was a point where i had to take a conscious turn around to start trusting it again!!"

yes i have(learned to trust again), though there are still times when i forget to!! [probably like you and randall said, because PEOPLE can be very untrustworthy and i had to learn not to hope for them to be otherwise!] but in many ways i never lost that trust... a psychic friend once described how my "boundaries" looked, it sounded kind of like one of those shark cages, only spherical, bars to protect me and spaces to connect through. she said she thought i could get run over by a truck and just bounce off...and funnily something like that has happened SEVERAL times in my life so i knew exactly what she meant. though i have my paranoias and buttons i have also always had a feeling of indestructability. for awhile the ego structures took the upperhand but like i said, i made the conscious effort to rise above them. it works. and the layers of programming that created those structures are really amazing to understand too...

i have to agree, life's a gas! even the hard parts. in fact it is when you run hardest up against your ego and fear that you stand to gain the most ground ...

yes bucky is most interesting, but a warning, his writing is very UNIQUE, especially the way he uses composite words to describe things most people never thought about...

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