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LEXX
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posted May 06, 2010 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
~Thomas Jefferson -Unbeliever~

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " � Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." �Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." �Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Religions are all alike � founded upon fables and mythologies."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat


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posted May 06, 2010 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
SIG LINE AND OTHER LETTERS GLITCHING....

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listenstotrees
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posted May 07, 2010 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Brilliant words from Jefferson!

I guess he explains well why I decided not to be a "Christian".

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posted May 07, 2010 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Same here!

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posted May 07, 2010 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
To the corruptions of Christianity, I am indeed opposed;, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."

Thomas Jefferson.

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posted May 07, 2010 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
sorry DP... I`m having the glitchs again


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posted May 07, 2010 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
I feel there was a good man and wise teacher,
Yeshua,
but do not buy the Jesus/Christ business and all.

I am not a Christian however,
as that requires believing in the Crucifiction/Crucifixion myth and other lies told about him by Paul and others.

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posted May 07, 2010 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah...weird glitchings yesterday and today all over LL.

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posted May 08, 2010 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message
What truth he spoke.

Texas removed Jefferson from their text books. How small and narrow minded. That mentality is sad. Go ahead and secede.

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posted May 10, 2010 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Jefferson was not the "unbeliever" some assumed he was.

In his own words "I am a Christian"

Jefferson's Syllabus of an Estimate of the
Merit of the Doctrines of Jesus,
Compared with Those of Others.

In a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Jefferson described his views on Jesus and the Christian religion, as well as his own religious beliefs. He appended to this description a Syllabus that compared the teachings of Jesus to those of the earlier Greek and Roman philosophers, and to the religion of the Jews of Jesus' time. This letter and the appended Syllabus are interesting to anyone studying the Jefferson Bible because they explain precisely Jefferson's views which later led him to make the compilation of the moral philosophy of Jesus in the form presented on this website. Both the letter and the Syllabus are presented below, and may be found in the Memorial Edition of Jefferson's Writings, Vol. 10, pg. 379. Following the syllabus is a letter to William Short, which contains further discussion of the syllabus. This letter is found in Vol. 11 of the Memorial Edition, pg. 243.

Letter To Dr. Benjamin Rush.
Washington, April 21, 1803.

DEAR SIR,
In some of the delightful conversations with you in the evenings of 1798-99, and which served as an anodyne to the afflictions of the crisis through which our country was then laboring, the Christian religion was sometimes our topic; and I then promised you that one day or other I would give you my views of it. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other. At the short interval since these conversations, when I could justifiably abstract my mind from public affairs, the subject has been under my contemplation. But the more I considered it, the more it expanded beyond the measure of either my time or information. In the moment of my late departure from Monticello, I received from Dr. Priestley his little treatise of "Socrates and Jesus Compared." This being a section of the general view I had taken of the field, it became a subject of reflection while on the road and unoccupied otherwise. The result was, to arrange in my mind a syllabus or outline of such an estimate of the comparative merits of Christianity as I wished to see executed by someone of more leisure and information for the task than myself. This I now send you as the only discharge of my promise I can probably ever execute. And in confiding it to you, I know it will not be exposed to the malignant perversions of those who make every word from me a text for new misrepresentations and calumnies. I am moreover averse to the communication of my religious tenets to the public, because it would countenance the presumption of those who have endeavored to draw them before that tribunal, and to seduce public opinion to erect itself into that inquisition over the rights of conscience which the laws have so justly proscribed. It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own. It behooves him, too, in his own case, to give no example of concession, betraying the common right of independent opinion, by answering questions of faith which the laws have left between God and himself. Accept my affectionate salutations.

Th: Jefferson http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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