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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 02, 2011 07:52 PM After this is done ,if it ever is,I think I am gonna go to Astro 2 where things are easy and I am appreciated ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 02, 2011 07:54 PM I am gonna go play my guitar.Talk later ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 03, 2011 03:21 AM If anyone is interested in my thread, I will come back. I HATE debate having a mother with Mercury combust the Sun,exact. She loved to "debate" . I admire Jwhop tremendously but I could never do it. I will come back to these forums if they touch my favorite buttons but other than that,I don't have the heart for it ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 03, 2011 08:48 AM I just want to say to Kat or anyone else. I am not trying to be a jerk. I had reams and reams of words to the point that they became meaningless. I just changed my style ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
LEXX Moderator Posts: 6242 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2011 09:21 AM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Who is this? How sure are you of that--percentage wise--10%,50%, 80% 100% Please write down your answer with reasons why you chose this person. I will be back--with the info Isaiah 53 - The Atoning Suffering and Victory of the Messiah However why are you preaching at us here? Why the head game and secrecy? How sure am I? Well it is 100% that it is from Isaiah 53. Which is in my opinion is all lies except the bits of the LORD the false god, the evil demiurge (etc) assaulting him and people buying into the lies. Pitiful. Why you posted Isaiah 53 here (one version of many) I just do not see your point. However lest you delete I am re-posting it again so folks know what you were asking. quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he has no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace (shalom) was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people (Israel) was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when thou shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my Righteous Servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities (sins). Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors . IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 03, 2011 10:01 AM Ok My point is that this description which EVERYONE KNOWS is Jesus was written 2000 years before Jesus birth . ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2011 10:44 AM okay, ami, i see where you are going now. but 1) while it could describe jesus it didn't make sense to me as jesus. there were a few things in there that made me think it was describing the expected "messiah" however 2) when something like this is written - say 2000 years in advance of someone coming along - and people are watching and waiting for said person to come along, they try to match people who DO come along to the prophesy just as some people are now trying to say obama is the embodiment of the ancient description of the antichrist. he is far from the only candidate, though, is he? since what you are constantly looking for, EXPECTING TO SEE, will eventually appear, even if you have to ignore certain inconsistencies, i don't think this proves anything about the bible. nostradamus is FULL of quatrains that some people think point to one event, some to another. this is why, if you THINK the bible is the last word, you will find ways to APPARENTLY vindicate that belief. just as someone who is sure someone will steal their business will pounce on an innocent move made by a competitor and say it is proof they are trying to do so. in fact if it had been SPECIFIC and undisputable, ALL the jews, not just SOME, would have said, YES!! this has to be HIM! wouldn't they now? IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2011 10:48 AM as i recall jesus was a fairly successful member of his community, and certainly not repugnant to most people in any normal interpretation of those words, before he took off for the wilderness... besides which this indicates that the main proof that he was the messiah was that he was imprisoned and crucified...but so were the thieves who died alongside him. were they then the messiah as well? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 03, 2011 10:48 AM No Kat but I am seriously tired of this discussion. If you ever want to ask me something in a serious vein, I am here. This does not feel good to me. I don't like to talk to just hear myself talk or hear someone else talk just for the sake of it. I am serious about myself. So,if you want to talk in a serious way,make a thread with my name on it. Talking to hear oneself talk reminds me of Aqua sun combust Mercury shudder ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2011 10:55 AM i think this highly disputed prophesy (since many do NOT believe it was satisfied) was a bad example. you said the bible had made many predictions which manifested exactly how and when they were predicted to. this is WAY too vague, and i think that applies to most of the predictions in the bible or any other source of predictions. that is why so many people have THOUGHT they knew when the rapture was going to happen, and it hasn't; why many also think the end of the world was predicted, but it hasn't...etc. sorry. a i said, you are more than entitled to your beliefs. proof is more difficult. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2011 02:49 PM ami you wanted to start this thread. sorry you couldn't appreciate my answers. again, as you wish. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 03, 2011 03:07 PM Yes Kat I need to take my leave as I have said all I can. See you around ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2011 01:30 AM so we're back to believe in the book or be damned...no questioning or explaining allowed? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2011 04:57 AM Well ,Kat if I showed you a MAJOR foretelling of Jesus and you want to make up every excuse from here to eternity WHY it could NOT be him, I have nothing more to say ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2011 05:39 AM I found Jesus through the prophecies such as Isiah 53. If YOU cannot see that that is Jesus and could be no other person in history before or after then you have a spiritual blindness to the truth,imo. I would only talking out of my derriere if you could not accept this basic foretelling of the future. I have no place else to go with it.I am not being cute or snide. It would be useless talking at this point. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2011 08:32 PM where did i make any excuses, ami? what are you talking about? think what you like about me, be my guest. i have heard so many differing "absolute interpretations" of so many different parts of the bible that i am not surprised that you would see in it something i do not. i don't think that is vindication or damnation of either one of us. what i don't understand is why you seem to take it as a personal insult that i don't see what you see without you being willing to show me. but that is your privilege. as in many other exchanges with "christians", it doesn't strike me as very giving, golden rule-following, or FORgiving to me. but you are entitled to exclude me for whatever reason you choose. to my mind your judgement of me is spiritually ignorant, but whatever gets you through the night. again. IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 1971 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2011 09:55 PM quote: Originally posted by katatonic: so we're back to believe in the book or be damned...no questioning or explaining allowed? AH! That was the game rule no one was privy to. ------------------ ~The Earth Laughs In Flowers~ ... Emerson IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2011 10:08 PM Well Kat I always want to share my faith but with you,Lexx and the others it seems I have nothing to offer. If you are all are ever are open to Jesus you can call on me. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2011 11:13 PM how do you say "i want to share my faith" but when someone doesn't get the answer to your question you shut them down? this doesn't compute with me, ami, not your faith. it's the brushing off of any questions or confusion in your audience that gets me .. you asked me who it was, i said i didn't know. from there you started to call me difficult. so i am left to the conclusion that unless i say "oh, yes, i see!" you think i'm being intentionally obstructive. this does not lead to a fruitful discussion, in fact it leads to no discussion at all. rather than enlighten me or even try, you chalk me up on the ANTI side. thanks but it seems to me you just want to judge me as "spiritually ignorant" because i am not ALREADY where you want to take me. in other words, if you have to make any effort it is the other, "heathen's" fault. very compassionate, not, and faithful, not at all. IMO. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2011 11:15 PM i may have a different spiritual base than you, or i may not, but we will never know if you won't actually come to the table. this was basically a peep show to make you feel superior? you're welcome! IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6504 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2011 11:17 PM one thing i know, jesus would never have looked down on someone who didn't understand one of his parables or already know what he was trying to teach! he did not only preach to the converted as so many seem to prefer. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 04:52 AM Kat I have to say this.My heart does NOT feel you are serious in your questions. I do not sense a genuine heart from you with genuine questions. As such,I cannot spend any more time here trying to answer them. I have devoted a LOT of time and energy trying to "share" things I thought you requested. You seem to have little appreciation of the umpteen posts and time on my part. Unless I sense a GENUINE heart from people, I am not interested in talking about God. If you do have a genuine heart, make a thread with a question on it to me. If I sense it is genuine I will answer. If not,I will not. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10777 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 05, 2011 04:52 AM edit IP: Logged
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LEXX Moderator Posts: 6242 From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 05, 2011 10:27 AM Redaction is Things added after the fact to appear to be prophecy when it is false. There were many messiahs. Well so called messiahs or anointed/christed ones. Too tired at moment to dispute. However Isaiah is a bunch of redacted false prophecy. IP: Logged

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