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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 07, 2012 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Arminianism is an approach to Christianity based on the assumption that people have free will- the will to choose God and choose their salvation. But the way you were talking...like, nobody knows who is ending up in heaven or hell...just reminded me of more orthodox Christianity, where you don't just get to CHOOSE.



Thank you very much

Well, my view is we get to choose to follow God or not, or to behave like Christians or nor.

Behaving like a Christian doesn't automatically guarantee one salvation.

I don't personally know whether I will be saved or not, but I have chosen to want to be saved. Hopefully, God will shed His Grace on me and save me, but how am I supposed to know for certain?

Of course, there are those who would tell you that they know God's Will. Those people probably have God on speed dial on their cell phones lol

You see... I only know one form of Christianity... that is Christianity

There's no room for theological leeway or doctrine compromise or "get with the times" faith in my Christian world, or that of my wife's. That was how my wife and I were raised.

Is that narrow minded? Perhaps. But then we each have the choice to reject the religion or move to a more "relaxed" denomination, don't we? Nevertheless, I'm not in any position to pass judgment on what constitutes appropriate Christianity. I only obey and follow because I believe.

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posted February 08, 2012 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again YTA

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You see... I only know one form of Christianity... that is Christianity

I get caught up in the complexity of it, in what I see as a HUGE variety of doctrines, beliefs, and behaviors falling under the umbrella term "Christianity"...to the point where the word doesn't mean much to me.

Except that a person is trying to adhere to a religious standard.

A friend of mine believes she is going to heaven and gave me a cute little plaque that says, "In my father's house are many mansions- I hope yours is next to mine!"

I hang it up because it's friendly. Beyond that I have no idea who's ending up where, and what there is in the Great Beyond.

Don't let my confusion rub off on you!

I love when people are straightforwardly religious, I'm just trying to articulate for honesty's sake, and for the record, why I can't be.

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Randall
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posted February 26, 2012 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

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posted March 11, 2012 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump for Newflakes*

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Ami Anne
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posted March 12, 2012 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is Astrology Against Christianity?
By amiann | Published: February 28, 2012 |

Many Christians think Astrology is from the dark side. I did too. I gave a lot of time to prayer before I embarked on Astrology. I don’t preach as Jesus is too wonderful to shove down people’s throats.It is a great honor to be a Christian. I do not wave Christianity in people’s face like a stick. Jesus is not about that, in my opinion. Jesus draws through love.I am a very failed servant, as I have said numerous times. If a person wants to see Jesus and gets turned off Jesus from something I do, I want to say in advance that no person can be a pure servant for Jesus. No Christian can be a pure witness for Jesus. Every man is very very flawed by the nature of being human. I think the star that led the wise men to Jesus was an astrological chart. That makes perfect sense. There are Christian Astrologers who believe this to be true.So, one must separate what the Bible says from church traditions. I do not care for church traditions. I follow the Bible. There is a proscription against contacting the dead. I would not contact the dead. The Holy Spirit tells us of things to come. My psychic gift is a Gift of the Holy Spirit.God has put me in a public venue for His reasons. It is very hard for a Christian who espouses church traditions to think outside those traditions. That is why I question all church traditions. I listen to the Still Small Voice.

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posted March 12, 2012 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Psychic Gift is The Gift of Discernment from the Holy Spirit
By amiann | Published: February 27, 2012 |

My psychic gift is a Gift from the Holy Spirit. It is not more complicated than that. All Christians have Gifts from the Holy Spirit. We may have several. You can look in the Bible to see the list of Gifts from the Holy Spirit.I felt that I was supposed to take mine public and in this venue. I don’t know all the whys but I felt that I was. I try to be led by God. What is a better purpose in life than to follow God?God uses each Gift we have. He uses each Gift for His Work on the earth. Many Christians think I am involved in the occult. I am not—-1000%. My psychic gift is not from the occult. Astrology is not part of the occult either. I am sure many people who are part of the occult use Astrology but it is not an occult body of knowledge. Astrology was part of the early church. The star that led the wise men to Jesus was an Astrological chart. What else would make sense. That makes perfect sense. I would not contact the dead as I feel mediumship is an occult practice. The Bible forbids this. I am a Christian. I am a psychic. I am an astrologer. However, my passion is to lead people to Jesus. All pales next to that. That allows me to be flexible on most things, as I have my goal in sight. I want people to see Jesus through me. I fail. Let me say that off the bat.If you look closely, you will see many many many flaws.Those who know me are probably smiling now. However, my desire is for people to find Jesus. My life will have meaning if I am a small part of that Larger Plan.

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posted March 12, 2012 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How Can I Be a Christian and a Psychic?
By amiann | Published: February 27, 2012 | Edit

I am a Christian. I am a psychic. How can I be a Christian and a psychic? It is a good question. I did not think one could be both a Christian and a psychic. I thought it was either/or. I became a Christian a year ago I thought I had been a Christian for 15 years but I had no power.I was the same as I had always been. I heard people talk about a Christian Born Again experience and I did not have that. I knew the Bible very well. I studied and studied the Bible for 15 years. I will tell you. I did not care to help people find Jesus. I acted like I did but I did not feel it in my heart. I went to church and a Messianic temple. I was in a dance group where we went to churches and taught Christians about Israel and Messianic Jews(Jewish people who believe in Jesus). I did many things to show I was a Christian but I did not feel anything.

What happened to change me? When my son died, I did not care to follow rules, any more. I wanted to follow my compass. I did not care if I looked good.I did not care if I was socially acceptable. I wanted to follow my inner compass. I went on strange highways and byways. One night, I woke up in the middle of the night.I felt oxygen coming in to the top of my head. I kept saying, ‘”I am Born Again.” I became a Christian that night. It was inside me. If you look closely, you will see a very flawed person. You don’t even have to look closely. However, I did start to change. I started to care if people found Jesus. I did it out of love for Jesus, not out of fear. I did not worry if I was a Christian. I knew I was. I struggle with many parts of myself that do not follow The Bible such as fear. I am glad no one follows me around. Truth be told, no one can make it to God by being an exemplary person. That was the thrust of Jesus’ message. I don’t care if you are the Pope, Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, Ghandi or Buddha. There are no deeds that are good enough to have a relationship with God. A Christian is forgiven. He is far far from perfect. If any person is a true Christian, he will be the first to tell you that he is not a good person, per se. There are no good people according to the Bible. Jesus says that no man is good. So, a true Christian does not try to find favor with God through being a good person. There is no such thing. A Christian is not good. He is forgiven.A true Christian will want to please God out of love for God. Then, he may be called good, by others. However, he knows that he is not. He gives the credit for his success to God.

So, I went to a church or a Messianic temple for 15 years. I did not feel much, as I said. The Messianic Rabbi told me I had to throw away my Astrology books as they were from the devil. I sadly put them in the garbage. I would have thought a Christian Psychic was deluded. I would have tried to tell her how deluded she was.People from Pat Robertson’s Ministry have written to me. I love Pat Robertson. I think he is the real deal. I know many people don’t but I do. Most Christians think that a Christian Psychic is deluded. They think a Christian Psychic would be getting her information from the dark side. I understand this. I really really do. In fact, it took me a very long time to come out with my gift. My gift is simply a Gift of the Holy Spirit. That is all. God has allowed me to have a more public venue. God has His Reasons. I am His humble servant. My life is sold out to Him.

At any rate, after my son died, I did not care to follow anyone’ s rules. I lashed out with my emotions. There was one particular person to whom I apologized. I think he accepted. I needed to find God from the inside not the outside. I stopped going to church and the Messianic temple.I needed to follow my heart. I knew God would help me if I just trusted and He did. Faith is following what some people may call thin air. Faith cannot be seen or touched. That is why it s faith. I hung on to God because He was all I had. He led me to study Astrology.I know many Christians would think that was from the dark side, too. I know it was God. I studied Astrology and then found I was psychic. I did not know what to do with it so I waited and prayed. God led me in directions. He has led me to have my website which is my ministry. I work for God, not man. I answer to Jesus for how I treat you. I treat my clients like kings and queens because I believe God has brought them to me and I serve Him.

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posted March 12, 2012 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my particular journey and experience.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
as they were from the devil


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posted March 12, 2012 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Great Pic

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posted January 17, 2016 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewf1988     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump but these sites contain the answers to EVERYTHING:
http://near-death.com http://channelingerik.com (this also confirms A LOT of the info in the above link)

Basically, your belief system determines how your afterlife is... in other words, you get what you're expecting (if you're Christian you get God and Jesus, if you're Muslim you get Allah and Mohammed, if you're Buddhist you get Buddha, etc. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHk-A1LoXM shows how ALL religions are theologically similar). The reason for the reward of an eternal heaven and threat of an eternal hell are to get you to follow the doctrine out of fear of burning in hell for eternity if you don't (there's a critique of Mary Baxter's book of her experiences in "hell", in which she's exposed very badly). If religious texts mentioned Jesus rescuing people from hell (or the "void" as it's also called on there), people would be more FREE. Reincarnation is the reason why certain life experiences can feel like "deja vu" even though you may have never experienced them before. Both sites mention that you spend time in the afterlife, a LOT of time, before your next incarnation. Astrology is a sin in Christianity because it reveals your life purpose and can also be used to find out hidden knowledge (my forensic and sports astrology topics are a great example of this). Homosexuality is a sin because two males can't produce children, which would be a threat to future church membership (I feel that's the reason for abortion being a sin as well but that's a trickier issue). I NEVER had to make a choice between being gay or straight, being straight just happened! If anything associated with Paganism or eastern religions is a sin, then so should tattoos and piercings, but they aren't a threat to the agenda of the churches so they aren't looked down upon as much. In fact, where the Pope lives features REAL occult symbolism (the astrological symbolism shown in this and many other religious headquarters proves that astrology is accurate, though the misuse of it is what is evil, and the same goes for other mystical and metaphysical subjects like numerology and tarot) and Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinal Roger Mahony were at Bohemian Grove, which is also a place where one of the faces of the religious right, George W. Bush, was at numerous times:
http://www.texemarrs.com/052010/popes_bohemians_other_rich_dwell.htm http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/bohemian-grove-conservative-christian-leaders-go-dabble-occult/

If that isn't proof that government, big business, and religion are in cahoots, then nothing is. All the division going on today, especially pro-life vs. pro-choice, traditional vs. same sex marriage, liberal vs. conservative (the ideology differences were NEVER this emphasized until fairly recently), and Christianity vs. Islam, is an effort to keep us divided, which distracts us (or attempts to) from their agenda.

I actually went from whether you go to hell for believing in astrology and reincarnation to the NWO conspiracy theory effortlessly (my Sun/Mercury in Gemini and heavy mutability in my chart)!

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Oh come on... there are so many verses in the Bible that completely contradict the existence of reincarnation in Christian belief.

Totally off the top of my head (Google is my friend). If the foul unreligious me can come up with these, imagine what the truly religious can come up with:

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. " Genesis 3:19: [note: return in dust, not a body]

When one dies, "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4

"For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as the one dies, so dies the other; yes, they have all one breath; so that a man has no preeminence above a beast…All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again" (Ecc. 3:19-20).

Upon death "the spirit returns to God who gave it" (Ecc. 12:7)

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Mat 25:46)

"The Christian's hope rests not on the reincarnation of the soul, but in the resurrection of the body." (1 Cor. 15:42-55). [and the resurrection ain't my body]

That "to be away from the body" is to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8).

"it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27-28). [No second chances!].


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posted January 18, 2016 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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