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RegardesPlatero
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posted March 18, 2012 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Brief background for those outside the US/not familiar: back in the day, people used to have prayers in public schools; today, this is not allowed, as it is considered violation of separation between church and state. Today, there is a lot of fuss made by some about this and some people are trying to change it.

My own personal view is that it's energy, time, money, and effort that is not well-spent. I don't honestly see any point to it. You don't need to pray publicly to pray. You can do it silently, at any time, at any moment. God is always with you if you want to connect. It just seems pointless to me to push for school prayer when it's never really been taken away.

Further, I do agree that forcing people to pray in public schools is unfair. I for one would not want to be forced to pray for/about things if I disagreed with it, nor would I want to be intimidated/pressured to do so even if I wasn't literally forced. I don't want other religions forced on me, so I don't feel that it's fair for me to force mine (liberal Christian) on others, either. I also can't help but feel that a lot of people pushing for this wouldn't be happy if the prayers said were non-Christian prayers (Christianity being the most common religion here, though there are sizable numbers of non-Christians as well as people who are Christian culturally but not spiritually).

That's my basic viewpoint.

The other side argues it as taking God out of schools, but (a) I don't feel that God can be taken out of anywhere--being omnipresent is one of the perks of being God and (b) again, separation of church and state.

Private schools set up by religious groups are allowed to have class prayers, which I feel is a fair compromise.

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Randall
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posted March 18, 2012 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here they have moments of silence in class. And they actually still have public prayer before school sporting events.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted March 18, 2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Here they have moments of silence in class. And they actually still have public prayer before school sporting events.


Where I am, I don't know what people do about school prayers before sporting events; there's the national anthem, but I don't know that they do prayer.

They did have some at my college graduation--Christian prayers, mentioning Jesus Christ specifically. The school has numerous different religions as well as non-religious people; not sure why only one group was represented. Seemed odd, given that the school is really diverse and the school is public.

I wonder how non-Christians at my alma mater felt about it, especially considering that it's a non-religious affiliated school.

I'm not anti-prayer obviously, but, at the same time, it's also important to respect student diversity.

I think that perhaps a better solution would have been to invite leaders of different traditions to do a prayer *together* and to do something more unifying, so as to symbolize a coming together of different groups to form one student body.

It would have been different for me if the school had a religious affiliation--now, in that case, it would have been more than appropriate to have a prayer leader from that tradition. However, since it's not affiliated with any faith, I think that the fair thing to do would have been to invite multiple groups to do a blessing all together instead of just one group.

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Randall
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posted March 18, 2012 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I agree. Having a prayer at graduation that mentions Jesus in a diverse school was not acceptable.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted March 20, 2012 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither is Hebrew on the crest of a university that is supposed to be blind to religious faith. Check out Yale's. How many Presidents in recent times went to Yale?

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RegardesPlatero
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posted March 20, 2012 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Neither is Hebrew on the crest of a university that is supposed to be blind to religious faith. Check out Yale's. How many Presidents in recent times went to Yale?

interesting...didn't know that!

(I knew that presidents went to Yale, but not that there was Hebrew on the crest)

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Randall
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posted March 20, 2012 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't aware of that.

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